Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?

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Master said he doubted Reid would beat Froch, I pointed out that he had lost to Froch, but not during Reid's prime. I added my opinion that I thought Froch would likely beat him in his prime too.

That's it. Do you think I was trying to infer something more than that?

You brought up the result of the fight as if it was relevant but as I pointed out, beating a 37 year old Reid is as relevant as Calzaghes win over Eubank, Marcianos over Louis and Holmes over Ali.

Relevant to what exactly? I replied directly to Master because I wasn't sure if he knew the two had met, that's it. I can't simplify it for you any more, I wish I could!...

If I was trying to make more of it than that then I wouldn't have went out of my way to point out that Reid was old at the time would I?!

Jesus... Only you would get excited over and try to dissect such a simple post...

I have to agree Ross, I am seeing a whole new side of you. I had forgotten Froch had fought Reid must have been some crazy come back from Reid.

When Groves beats a world champion we can talk. The title of thread is who is the better fighter. A young Robin Reid or George Groves. Not George Groves in the future when theres an improbably possibility he gets any better.

[Master]

Master said he doubted Reid would beat Froch, I pointed out that he had lost to Froch, but not during Reid's prime. I added my opinion that I thought Froch would likely beat him in his prime too.

That's it. Do you think I was trying to infer something more than that?

You brought up the result of the fight as if it was relevant but as I pointed out, beating a 37 year old Reid is as relevant as Calzaghes win over Eubank, Marcianos over Louis and Holmes over Ali.

Relevant to what exactly? I replied directly to Master because I wasn't sure if he knew the two had met, that's it. I can't simplify it for you any more, I wish I could!...

If I was trying to make more of it than that then I wouldn't have went out of my way to point out that Reid was old at the time would I?!

Jesus... Only you would get excited over and try to dissect such a simple post...

I have to agree Ross, I am seeing a whole new side of you. I had forgotten Froch had fought Reid must have been some crazy come back from Reid.

When Groves beats a world champion we can talk. The title of thread is who is the better fighter. A young Robin Reid or George Groves. Not George Groves in the future when theres an improbably possibility he gets any better.

Did Robin Reid ever beat a world class fighter?

[Silkeyjoe]

Reid was just a good domestic level fighter who managed to win a world title. It happens sometimes but he was nothing special. George Groves beats him easily. James Degale easily beats Reid too.

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Reid was just a good domestic level fighter who managed to win a world title. It happens sometimes but he was nothing special. George Groves beats him easily. James Degale easily beats Reid too.

He didnt just win a title. He gave the two best and undefeated fighters in his weight their closest run fights and was in some peoples eyes robbed.

George has done nothing. Hes failed at his first attempt at a title, hes failed at his second. Its only a matter of time before he fails at his third.

DeGale is ok but has a loss to Groves and his career seems to be going nowhere. Neither he nor Groves have any impressive "name" wins.

[erics44]

I liked watching Reid, he was a very good fighter when on form


he was well past his best when he fought lacey, I think he would have beaten him in his prime


I also think calzaghe wasn't at his best when he fought reid and the fight would have been much more comfortable if he had


I think the most probably result of Groves v Reid - prime for prime is Groves by decision

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I liked watching Reid, he was a very good fighter when on form


he was well past his best when he fought lacey, I think he would have beaten him in his prime


I also think calzaghe wasn't at his best when he fought reid and the fight would have been much more comfortable if he had


I think the most probably result of Groves v Reid - prime for prime is Groves by decision

Everyone with the remotest bit of power has hurt Groves, so I doubt it.

[erics44]

I liked watching Reid, he was a very good fighter when on form


he was well past his best when he fought lacey, I think he would have beaten him in his prime


I also think calzaghe wasn't at his best when he fought reid and the fight would have been much more comfortable if he had


I think the most probably result of Groves v Reid - prime for prime is Groves by decision

Everyone with the remotest bit of power has hurt Groves, so I doubt it.

that is a massive over statement and not a fact

[Master]

I liked watching Reid, he was a very good fighter when on form


he was well past his best when he fought lacey, I think he would have beaten him in his prime


I also think calzaghe wasn't at his best when he fought reid and the fight would have been much more comfortable if he had


I think the most probably result of Groves v Reid - prime for prime is Groves by decision

Everyone with the remotest bit of power has hurt Groves, so I doubt it.

that is a massive over statement and not a fact

You are like a dog with a bone @ross just leave it. Reid was not a monster puncher he was muscle bound and slow.

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I liked watching Reid, he was a very good fighter when on form


he was well past his best when he fought lacey, I think he would have beaten him in his prime


I also think calzaghe wasn't at his best when he fought reid and the fight would have been much more comfortable if he had


I think the most probably result of Groves v Reid - prime for prime is Groves by decision

Everyone with the remotest bit of power has hurt Groves, so I doubt it.

that is a massive over statement and not a fact

You are like a dog with a bone @ross just leave it. Reid was not a monster puncher he was muscle bound and slow.

He can punch. He hurt Calzaghe, Joe has said that Reid is a heavy puncher. Froch said at the time it was the hardest hed ever been hit. Reid also dropped Ottke. No one else dropped Ottke.

[Master]

Can't remember Joe and Froch saying that and I am sure Ottke was a slip.

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Can't remember Joe and Froch saying that and I am sure Ottke was a slip.

Ottke wasnt a slip. Watch it.

Froch saying Reid is the hardest puncher hes ever faced and this was after the first Groves fight.

MH Grill: Carl Froch :: Men's Health

[Master]

Can't remember Joe and Froch saying that and I am sure Ottke was a slip.

Ottke wasnt a slip. Watch it.

Froch saying Reid is the hardest puncher hes ever faced and this was after the first Groves fight.

MH Grill: Carl Froch :: Men's Health

He said the hardest puncher he faced was Arthur Abrahams and the hardest he had been hit was Reid big difference. Froch was probably not taking Reid not seriously as he was old but with AA he did not allow himself to get hit.

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Can't remember Joe and Froch saying that and I am sure Ottke was a slip.

Ottke wasnt a slip. Watch it.

Froch saying Reid is the hardest puncher hes ever faced and this was after the first Groves fight.

MH Grill: Carl Froch :: Men's Health

He said the hardest puncher he faced was Arthur Abrahams and the hardest he had been hit was Reid big difference. Froch was probably not taking Reid not seriously as he was old but with AA he did not allow himself to get hit.

Its there n black and white. The hardest hes ever been hit is by Reid.

Hes saying on paper Abraham was a big puncher but the reality was that Reid hit him harder than anyone else including Groves apparently.

Breath it in, ahhh...

[Master]

Can't remember Joe and Froch saying that and I am sure Ottke was a slip.

Ottke wasnt a slip. Watch it.

Froch saying Reid is the hardest puncher hes ever faced and this was after the first Groves fight.

MH Grill: Carl Froch :: Men's Health

He said the hardest puncher he faced was Arthur Abrahams and the hardest he had been hit was Reid big difference. Froch was probably not taking Reid not seriously as he was old but with AA he did not allow himself to get hit.

Its there n black and white. The hardest hes ever been hit is by Reid.

Hes saying on paper Abraham was a big puncher but the reality was that Reid hit him harder than anyone else including Groves apparently.

Breath it in, ahhh...

Read it and understand. Reid hit him the hardest but that does not mean he is the hardest puncher he has faced there is a difference.

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Can't remember Joe and Froch saying that and I am sure Ottke was a slip.

Ottke wasnt a slip. Watch it.

Froch saying Reid is the hardest puncher hes ever faced and this was after the first Groves fight.

MH Grill: Carl Froch :: Men's Health

He said the hardest puncher he faced was Arthur Abrahams and the hardest he had been hit was Reid big difference. Froch was probably not taking Reid not seriously as he was old but with AA he did not allow himself to get hit.

Its there n black and white. The hardest hes ever been hit is by Reid.

Hes saying on paper Abraham was a big puncher but the reality was that Reid hit him harder than anyone else including Groves apparently.

Breath it in, ahhh...

Read it and understand. Reid hit him the hardest but that does not mean he is the hardest puncher he has faced there is a difference.

Ok, Reid was the most effective and hardest puncher actually being able to catch Froch where Abraham couldnt. If YOU re read he actually says he has no idea how how hard Abraham hits because Abraham couldnt touch him. He said Abraham was the biggest puncher on papaer not in reality. Dont forget Abraham was a puncher against middleweights whereas a past it 37 year old Reid actually hit Froch harder than anyone else and this includes Kessler and Groves.

"The hardest hitter is probably the guy who didn’t hit me, Arthur Abraham. His record said he was the hardest hitter but I can’t say whether he was or not. When I fought him he never landed any punches, I made him miss. Robin Reid hit me with the hardest punch I’ve ever been hit with."

Its there, for some reason you are choosing to interperet it as so ething else. Reid was a good puncher.