How many losses should Mayweather have on his record?

[Master]

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I had Floyd beating Castillo but drawing Canelo and losing against Oscar but admit my bias in that.

Hatton was winning after 6 rounds but the ref cheated him from a victory.

You had Canelo - Floyd a draw ?

Words fail me

I know @Master ..... he was being sarcastic.

But here's DLH wanting them to fight again, but at 160. Chances of that happening are about as good as hell freezing over, but keep wishing Oscar.


De La Hoya wants Mayweather to fight Canelo at 160 � Boxing News

I'd be happy with that fight. At least Canelo is a boxer. It would also give Floyd a shot at the lineal title.

Floyd has no business at 160, and already proved he can box circles around Canelo. Canelo has fought his lifetime quota of tiny fighters, the last of which was Khan. I have no desire to watch Canelo's smoke and mirrors. I'm only interested in him finally fighting a real middleweight.

Granted, I have no interest in Floyd-McGregor either. If I want that kind of entertainment, I'll go watch Ringling & Barnum.

Does Floyd make more against Canelo or McGregor? The challenge will be greater vs Alvarez for sure but we saw how easily he dealt with him the first time. Winning the lineal middleweight title also does more for Floyd's legacy than a win over an 0-0-0 fighter would.

Floyd beating Canelo at middleweight would be a fraud victory and a disgrace to boxing to call it for the middleweight title. I would never watch boxing again if it happened.

[Alpha]

I think fighting McGregor would be worse.

[Master]

I think fighting McGregor would be worse.

It would be but at least it clearly exposes what Floyd is all about. It has nothing to do with legacy or being an ATG but just an opportunist with no real substance in his career. No matter how much money he makes he will be called out for being a cosmetic and fabricated ATG.

[Beanz]

0I had Floyd beating Castillo but drawing Canelo and losing against Oscar but admit my bias in that. Hatton was winning after 6 rounds but the ref cheated him from a victory.

You had Canelo - Floyd a draw ?Words fail me

I know @Master ..... he was being sarcastic. But here's DLH wanting them to fight again, but at 160. Chances of that happening are about as good as hell freezing over, but keep wishing Oscar. De La Hoya wants Mayweather to fight Canelo at 160 � Boxing News

I'd be happy with that fight. At least Canelo is a boxer. It would also give Floyd a shot at the lineal title.

Floyd has no business at 160, and already proved he can box circles around Canelo. Canelo has fought his lifetime quota of tiny fighters, the last of which was Khan. I have no desire to watch Canelo's smoke and mirrors. I'm only interested in him finally fighting a real middleweight.Granted, I have no interest in Floyd-McGregor either. If I want that kind of entertainment, I'll go watch Ringling & Barnum.

Does Floyd make more against Canelo or McGregor? The challenge will be greater vs Alvarez for sure but we saw how easily he dealt with him the first time. Winning the lineal middleweight title also does more for Floyd's legacy than a win over an 0-0-0 fighter would.

Floyd beating Canelo at middleweight would be a fraud victory and a disgrace to boxing to call it for the middleweight title. I would never watch boxing again if it happened.

Don't say that it will probably happen if they can get away with it. Still...you will always have the wireless.

[Alpha]

I think fighting McGregor would be worse.

It would be but at least it clearly exposes what Floyd is all about. It has nothing to do with legacy or being an ATG but just an opportunist with no real substance in his career. No matter how much money he makes he will be called out for being a cosmetic and fabricated ATG.

Heaven forbid that Floyd get KO'd by McGregor. Boxing would never live it down.

[Beanz]

I think fighting McGregor would be worse.

It would be but at least it clearly exposes what Floyd is all about. It has nothing to do with legacy or being an ATG but just an opportunist with no real substance in his career. No matter how much money he makes he will be called out for being a cosmetic and fabricated ATG.

Heaven forbid that Floyd get KO'd by McGregor. Boxing would never live it down.

Never going to happen but boxing is bigger than Floyd and it would be very funny.

[Master]

I think fighting McGregor would be worse.

It would be but at least it clearly exposes what Floyd is all about. It has nothing to do with legacy or being an ATG but just an opportunist with no real substance in his career. No matter how much money he makes he will be called out for being a cosmetic and fabricated ATG.

Heaven forbid that Floyd get KO'd by McGregor. Boxing would never live it down.

Never going to happen but boxing is bigger than Floyd and it would be very funny.

If that happens I would give £100 to @Batman through his paypal account.

[Batman]

I think fighting McGregor would be worse.

It would be but at least it clearly exposes what Floyd is all about. It has nothing to do with legacy or being an ATG but just an opportunist with no real substance in his career. No matter how much money he makes he will be called out for being a cosmetic and fabricated ATG.

Heaven forbid that Floyd get KO'd by McGregor. Boxing would never live it down.

Never going to happen but boxing is bigger than Floyd and it would be very funny.

If that happens I would give £100 to @Batman through his paypal account.

Awesome, I'm gunna hold you to that as well

[Alpha]

I don't see it happening either but IF it did all the MMA trolls would have a field day.

[Master]

Floyd Mayweather Jr. hurt the sport of boxing before retiring, says trainer Robert Garcia. He says that Mayweather hurt the sport in a way due to the lack of action in his fights, and the important ones that he never took. Garcia didn’t use any examples of what fights that Mayweather had that lacked action, but he might have been talking about his big pay-per-view bouts against Manny Pacquiao and Saul Canelo Alvarez.

Both of those fights lacked drama and excitement because of Mayweather playing it safe and boxing for the full 12 rounds. Mayweather obviously had no obligation to the fans to stand and brawl with Pacquiao and Canelo, because he didn’t have the punching power to fight that way against those fighters. Those fights were dull in the minds of a lot of fans, and it might have made some of them less willing to purchase other boxing PPV events.

“Floyd did so good in boxing. He made the most money any boxer ever made,” said Robert Garcia to Fighthype.com. “He made a lot of money, but somehow it could have hurt boxing a little, because with Mayweather, we never seen those fights that fans want to see when it comes to action and stuff like that. He might have hurt, especially with the pay-per-views and all that. It might have hurt boxing a little bit,” said Garcia.

Some believe that Mayweather hurt the sport and then took off into retirement rather than continue fighting and potentially seeing his PPV numbers drop badly. They feel that’s why Mayweather is choosing to try and fight a UFC fighter in Conor McGregor now, because the boxing fans won’t purchase his fights in high numbers any longer. McGregor is bringing in huge PPV numbers for his fights in the UFC.

It was an opportunity lost when Mayweather fought Pacquiao. There were a huge amount of casual boxing fans that paid to see the fight, and they were left very disappointed. The fight was hyped through the roof for months, and product was very poor. Even the undercard for the Mayweather-Pacquiao card looked like it had been thrown together without much thought in terms of trying to entertain the fans that had paid a ton of money. If the fans are still angry about that fight, then it’s not surprising that the PPV numbers haven’t been as good they once were.

The highest boxing PPV since the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight was Saul Alvarez’s fight with Miguel Cotto in 2015. That fight did 900,000 buys. It wasn’t a great. Cotto mostly boxed instead of going after Canelo to try and knock him out. Canelo fought at a pedestrian pace, as if he were afraid to gas out.

There are some fans out there who firmly believe that the low PPV numbers that we’re seeing in the sport right now is because of the super expensive Mayweather-Pacquiao fight in 2015. The fight failed to deliver on the hype that had been generated. Neither fighter was willing to take any risks in that fight. The boxing fans paid a lot of money to see the fight on PPV, as the prices were raised sky high to take advantage of the interest in the fight. That’s part of the beef that many fans had. They felt that they were ripped off. It might be just a coincidence that the pay-per-view industry hasn’t been good since the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. There are some fans that really believe that Mayweather hurt boxing with his fight with Pacquiao. Mayweather is on the verge of facing UFC star Conor McGregor in a boxing match. Will this fight hurt the sport if it fails to live up to expectations? We’ll see if the fight takes place.

“I think there are some big fights that are going to start happening this year,” said Garcia. “I think boxing will be back where fans are wanting to see those fighters. There’s not one fighter that has done what Mayweather has done. Maybe a lot of fans don’t enjoy it. Maybe a lot of fans don’t like it. But businesswise, it was the best thing. As I said, that may have hurt boxing a little bit, but all the fighters that are out there right now, we can get boxing back to where it was 10 years ago when people were paying for pay-per-views. Canelo is already a big name in pay-per-view, and after the Chavez fight, that’s going to be huge if it’s a good fight. I’m sure they’re going to have a rematch. If Canelo fights Triple G, that’s going to be huge also. Boxing will be back on top,” said Garcia.

I don’t think Canelo vs. Golovkin will bring boxing back to the point where fights would do 1 million buys. Canelo isn’t being matched in the right way for him to become a big PPV attraction on a consistent basis. He’ll bring in a lot of PPV buys every now and then, but I don’t think it’ll ever be consistently big numbers because his promoters at Golden Boy seem to be very reluctant to put him in risky fights where he could lose. They still haven’t matched him against Golovkin, and it looks like they’re waiting for something to change before they eventually put him in with him. I think the PPV numbers will eventually start going upwards, but only when a new star emerges that is willing to fight the best, and not let his promoters steer around to safe fights against past their best fighters.

“Maybe it will take a little while before anyone in boxing can do what Mayweather and Pacquiao were doing, 1.2, 1.5 pay-per-view sales,” said Garcia. “Right now with pay-per-view, 500,000 to 600,000, it’s already being a huge, huge hit. 400,000 is huge,” said Robert Garcia.

500-600K is not the same thing as 1.5 million buys. Garcia is kidding himself. The numbers are much lower than they used to be, and there’s a reason for that. The boxing public don’t see enough compelling fights for them to want to pay their hard-earned money. When you see a top fighter like Canelo facing a welterweight like Amir Khan or an obscure junior middleweight like Liam Smith, the fans aren’t going to want to pay to see that kind of thing. Manny Pacquiao fighting Tim Bradley for a third time and Jessie Vargas on PPV, those are not great fights. The top guys aren’t fighting each other often enough in the divisions that the fans are interested in. You’ve got promoters playing it safe with their fighters by putting them in too many sure thing fights where they know their fighter is going to likely win.

Right now, the UFC seems to be doing better than boxing, and one of the reasons for that is because they have interesting matches much of the time. The UFC is making better fights than what we’re seeing in boxing, and the fans are responding to that. When you see a UFC event bringing in 1 million buys, and then you compare it to the low PPV buys were seeing from the top fighters now in boxing, it’s clear that changes need to be made in the sport.

If Mayweather came back to the sport and was willing to face someone good like Keith Thurman or Golovkin, it would be a shot in the arm for the sport. Unfortunately, that’s not going to happen. Mayweather wants to fight a novice in McGregor in what will be a bad mismatch.

Mayweather hurt boxing says Robert Garcia � Boxing News

[TitoFan]

No disrespect to Robert Garcia, but I totally disagree with a lot of things he said.

Both of those fights lacked drama and excitement because of Mayweather playing it safe and boxing for the full 12 rounds. Mayweather obviously had no obligation to the fans to stand and brawl with Pacquiao and Canelo, because he didn’t have the punching power to fight that way against those fighters. Those fights were dull in the minds of a lot of fans, and it might have made some of them less willing to purchase other boxing PPV events.

Damn right he had no obligation to stand and brawl with Pac and Canelo!! Especially a Canelo who's a MUCH BIGGER MAN. Of course Garcia would've rather Floyd stand and stupidly trade with Canelo. Khan got a little too close and look what happened to him. Instead, in a battle of totally mismatched sizes, Floyd used his complete and total superiority in a boxing ring over Canelo to make him look like a total fool. Yes, a boring ass fight. But one that showed up Canelo for exactly the lumbering oaf he is.

Besides, the onus is on the opponent to put effective pressure on Floyd. Maidana did it. Cotto did it. Why couldn't Canelo and Pac? Pac unexplicably tried these awkward, ineffective rushes at Floyd, which Floyd easily deflected and/or blocked. Then came the shoulder excuse... er... reason. I like Pacquiao... but he completely let his fans down in that fight. It was up to him to take the fight effectively to Floyd.

The highest boxing PPV since the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight was Saul Alvarez’s fight with Miguel Cotto in 2015. That fight did 900,000 buys. It wasn’t a great. Cotto mostly boxed instead of going after Canelo to try and knock him out. Canelo fought at a pedestrian pace, as if he were afraid to gas out.

Again we disagree. I thought the fight was excellent. And OF COURSE Garcia would've preferred Cotto to stand and trade with the much bigger Canelo, who admittedly has a good chin. That way Canelo would've gotten his KO and Garcia would've been happy.

because his promoters at Golden Boy seem to be very reluctant to put him in risky fights where he could lose. They still haven’t matched him against Golovkin, and it looks like they’re waiting for something to change before they eventually put him in with him. I think the PPV numbers will eventually start going upwards, but only when a new star emerges that is willing to fight the best, and not let his promoters steer around to safe fights against past their best fighters.

Not sure if it was Garcia who said this, but if he did, it's the first time I agree with him. "Very reluctant to put him in risky fights where he could lose" is probably the biggest understatement of the century. The bolded part pretty much says it all.



I happen to agree that Floyd has been somewhat bad for boxing, even if he's done well for himself. For whatever reason, he's never had the crowds rally behind him. Whether it be his personna, his fighting style, his perceived picking and choosing, his disdain for what fans want.... he's lowered boxing's stock during his years in the sport.

[Alpha]

I have noticed a change since near the end of last year. More and more top guys are starting to fight one another. Sure the fights might not always live up to the hype but the fact that they are now fighting each other can only be a positive for the sport. We are only in April and have already been treated to a number of quality match ups with many more already scheduled. There are numerous reasons why this has started to occur but one reason could be that Floyd is no longer holding everything up and no ones waiting around on the golden ticket. If Floyd isn't interested in coming back to face a top challenge like GGG, Thurman etc then don't wish to see him back.

[TitoFan]

I have noticed a change since near the end of last year. More and more top guys are starting to fight one another. Sure the fights might not always live up to the hype but the fact that they are now fighting each other can only be a positive for the sport. We are only in April and have already been treated to a number of quality match ups with many more already scheduled. There are numerous reasons why this has started to occur but one reason could be that Floyd is no longer holding everything up and no ones waiting around on the golden ticket. If Floyd isn't interested in coming back to face a top challenge like GGG, Thurman etc then don't wish to see him back.

Agreed with everything you said, except for the Floyd-GGG part. Personally, I've had enough of these boxing circuses. Canelo stalking around Teofilo Stevenson style before lowering the boom on poor little Khan..... GGG doing the same thing to Brook.... Canelo avoiding GGG at 160, but somehow miraculously jumping to 165 to fight JCC Jr...... guys calling out famous names 2 or 3 divisions underneath them. No... I don't wish to see Floyd back either except for a genuinely competitive fight. But.... with someone his own size.

[Alpha]

I have noticed a change since near the end of last year. More and more top guys are starting to fight one another. Sure the fights might not always live up to the hype but the fact that they are now fighting each other can only be a positive for the sport. We are only in April and have already been treated to a number of quality match ups with many more already scheduled. There are numerous reasons why this has started to occur but one reason could be that Floyd is no longer holding everything up and no ones waiting around on the golden ticket. If Floyd isn't interested in coming back to face a top challenge like GGG, Thurman etc then don't wish to see him back.

Agreed with everything you said, except for the Floyd-GGG part. Personally, I've had enough of these boxing circuses. Canelo stalking around Teofilo Stevenson style before lowering the boom on poor little Khan..... GGG doing the same thing to Brook.... Canelo avoiding GGG at 160, but somehow miraculously jumping to 165 to fight JCC Jr...... guys calling out famous names 2 or 3 divisions underneath them. No... I don't wish to see Floyd back either except for a genuinely competitive fight. But.... with someone his own size.

I get what your say and I agree to a degree. Mayweather and his fans like to claim he is TBE. Other greats have started their careers at lower weights than Floyd and had success at 160. GGG did also say he would meet Floyd at 154. That fight seems like the only worthy fight he should return for in my opinion. Although I would accept Thurman or the Brook/ Spence winner. There are definitely competitive fights like Lara, Andrade etc but I don't think they are on a big enough stage yet.

[ruthless rocco]

Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?