Floyd should have done more.

[ruthless rocco]

Was Holyfield ever a slick boxer known for his defensive skills? Bernard was fight a blown up jr welter who had illegal handwraps to give him power his whole career but Bernard knew he couldn't hurt him since he got caught cheating in the dressing room before the fight.

[mikeeod]

Was Holyfield ever a slick boxer known for his defensive skills? Bernard was fight a blown up jr welter who had illegal handwraps to give him power his whole career but Bernard knew he couldn't hurt him since he got caught cheating in the dressing room before the fight.

I would say Tito was closer to Hops size than Manny was to Floyds. If Tito was a blown up Welter (he had just blown out the universally recognized #2 middleweight in his previous fight), then Manny is a blown up Flyweight. It's a stupid argument and insignificant post Rocco, quit trying to argue semantics. Bottom line- Floyds a great fighter but should've done more.

[ruthless rocco]

Tito just bet the number 2 with LOADED GLOVES. Bernard made sure Tito had normal regulation wraps for their fight. So he knew he could go after him.

Also I'd argue that Manny is a more multidimensional fighter than Tito. You have to worry about Manny's movement, his angles, his speed his combos. Tito needed to be set up on the front foot to throw. Bernard put on a masterful performance never letting him set to throw but as I said before Bernard knew that there would be less power on Tito's punches because of the legal wraps.

[mikeeod]

Tito just bet the number 2 with LOADED GLOVES. Bernard made sure Tito had normal regulation wraps for their fight. So he knew he could go after him.

Also I'd argue that Manny is a more multidimensional fighter than Tito. You have to worry about Manny's movement, his angles, his speed his combos. Tito needed to be set up on the front foot to throw. Bernard put on a masterful performance never letting him set to throw but as I said before Bernard knew that there would be less power on Tito's punches because of the legal wraps.

Are you REALLY trying to argue this?!?!?!? Manny had recently been knocked out, was past his prime, much smaller and fighting with a TORN ROTATOR CUFF!!!! Tito was in his prime, just as big as Hop, undefeated and coming off the annihilation of #2 guy at 154 (Vargas) and 160 (Joppy) and was a HUGE favorite to blow Bernard out!!!!

Again, question was should Floyd have done more than land 148 punches (most insignificant) and the answer is YES!!!! Previous fight of the century was Ali vs Frazier 1. Watch that fight and compare to the Floyd vs Manny farce. Watch Taylor vs Chavez 1 and then compare to that farce. Watch Hearns vs Leonard/Hagler n compare those to that farce. Watch Evander vs Bowe/Tyson n compare. Carbajal vs Gonzalez. You get the idea. Floyd's great, but could care less about the fans. For almost $200m for the last fight, he should've cared and done more.

[mikeeod]

Tito just bet the number 2 with LOADED GLOVES. Bernard made sure Tito had normal regulation wraps for their fight. So he knew he could go after him.

Also I'd argue that Manny is a more multidimensional fighter than Tito. You have to worry about Manny's movement, his angles, his speed his combos. Tito needed to be set up on the front foot to throw. Bernard put on a masterful performance never letting him set to throw but as I said before Bernard knew that there would be less power on Tito's punches because of the legal wraps.

Also, just to help you out, Tito didn't have loaded gloves, his hands were wrapped in a manner that was legal in Vegas but illegal in New York so he had to re wrap them. Margarito had loaded gloves vs Mosely. You're welcome for the education.

[ruthless rocco]

Tito just bet the number 2 with LOADED GLOVES. Bernard made sure Tito had normal regulation wraps for their fight. So he knew he could go after him.

Also I'd argue that Manny is a more multidimensional fighter than Tito. You have to worry about Manny's movement, his angles, his speed his combos. Tito needed to be set up on the front foot to throw. Bernard put on a masterful performance never letting him set to throw but as I said before Bernard knew that there would be less power on Tito's punches because of the legal wraps.

Are you REALLY trying to argue this?!?!?!? Manny had recently been knocked out, was past his prime, much smaller and fighting with a TORN ROTATOR CUFF!!!! Tito was in his prime, just as big as Hop, undefeated and coming off the annihilation of #2 guy at 154 (Vargas) and 160 (Joppy) and was a HUGE favorite to blow Bernard out!!!!

Again, question was should Floyd have done more than land 148 punches (most insignificant) and the answer is YES!!!! Previous fight of the century was Ali vs Frazier 1. Watch that fight and compare to the Floyd vs Manny farce. Watch Taylor vs Chavez 1 and then compare to that farce. Watch Hearns vs Leonard/Hagler n compare those to that farce. Watch Evander vs Bowe/Tyson n compare. Carbajal vs Gonzalez. You get the idea. Floyd's great, but could care less about the fans. For almost $200m for the last fight, he should've cared and done more.

You seem to lack the ability to grasp the reality of THIS fight and the fighters involved and are instead comparing the words used in promoting the fight like "fight of the century" to past fights fought by different fighters. They chose "fight of the century" because it was going to generate the more money than any other fight this or last or any century(probably all combined). Floyd is not Hagler or Leonard. He is not Holyfield or Bowe. He is not anyone but himself. He fought exactly the same fight he always fights. So how can you say he should have done more? Pacquiao should have done more. Pacquiao is the one who threw 500 less punches. Pacquiao was the one who connected with less than 82 punches. Pacquiao was the one who made little to no effort to cut off the ring or attack recklessly to take his opponent down. Mayweather fought to the blueprint he always fights.

You look like a fool suggesting that Floyd be someone that he's not. Hes the highest paid athlete in the world 3 years running. He's the highest paid boxer ever. He's the reason everyone bough the fight. He must be doing everything just fine. It's chumps like you that are still trying to put the blame on him for dominating Pacquiao that are a fucking farce.

[mikeeod]

Tito just bet the number 2 with LOADED GLOVES. Bernard made sure Tito had normal regulation wraps for their fight. So he knew he could go after him.

Also I'd argue that Manny is a more multidimensional fighter than Tito. You have to worry about Manny's movement, his angles, his speed his combos. Tito needed to be set up on the front foot to throw. Bernard put on a masterful performance never letting him set to throw but as I said before Bernard knew that there would be less power on Tito's punches because of the legal wraps.

Are you REALLY trying to argue this?!?!?!? Manny had recently been knocked out, was past his prime, much smaller and fighting with a TORN ROTATOR CUFF!!!! Tito was in his prime, just as big as Hop, undefeated and coming off the annihilation of #2 guy at 154 (Vargas) and 160 (Joppy) and was a HUGE favorite to blow Bernard out!!!!

Again, question was should Floyd have done more than land 148 punches (most insignificant) and the answer is YES!!!! Previous fight of the century was Ali vs Frazier 1. Watch that fight and compare to the Floyd vs Manny farce. Watch Taylor vs Chavez 1 and then compare to that farce. Watch Hearns vs Leonard/Hagler n compare those to that farce. Watch Evander vs Bowe/Tyson n compare. Carbajal vs Gonzalez. You get the idea. Floyd's great, but could care less about the fans. For almost $200m for the last fight, he should've cared and done more.

You seem to lack the ability to grasp the reality of THIS fight and the fighters involved and are instead comparing the words used in promoting the fight like "fight of the century" to past fights fought by different fighters. They chose "fight of the century" because it was going to generate the more money than any other fight this or last or any century(probably all combined). Floyd is not Hagler or Leonard. He is not Holyfield or Bowe. He is not anyone but himself. He fought exactly the same fight he always fights. So how can you say he should have done more? Pacquiao should have done more. Pacquiao is the one who threw 500 less punches. Pacquiao was the one who connected with less than 82 punches. Pacquiao was the one who made little to no effort to cut off the ring or attack recklessly to take his opponent down. Mayweather fought to the blueprint he always fights.

You look like a fool suggesting that Floyd be someone that he's not. Hes the highest paid athlete in the world 3 years running. He's the highest paid boxer ever. He's the reason everyone bough the fight. He must be doing everything just fine. It's chumps like you that are still trying to put the blame on him for dominating Pacquiao that are a fucking farce.

You're completely bat shit crazy Rocco. Watch Floyd's fights vs Judah, Hatton and Chico again and compare to the farce. He tried for the stoppage in every single one of those fights. Watch his fight vs Gatti n N'Dou. Same thing. He threw combinations n actually walked guys down.

Of course Manny threw less punches than usual, he had one arm working correctly and Floyd was 100% focused on lateral movement and perpetual motion of his feet. This isn't to let Manny off the hook, his performance was equally horrendous. Floyd was the superior fighter though, so he should've done more and closed the show like ATGs are supposed to. That being said, if you are looking for a critique of Manny to unbunch your panties, here it is: Manny didn't belong in the ring with Floyd, was clearly an inferior fighter and has been classless with his behavior/comments since losing fairly to Floyd.

Do you even watch boxing? Are you even a fan, or just an MMA guy on here trolling? To make some of the statements you make, it makes me wonder...

[ruthless rocco]

Tito just bet the number 2 with LOADED GLOVES. Bernard made sure Tito had normal regulation wraps for their fight. So he knew he could go after him.

Also I'd argue that Manny is a more multidimensional fighter than Tito. You have to worry about Manny's movement, his angles, his speed his combos. Tito needed to be set up on the front foot to throw. Bernard put on a masterful performance never letting him set to throw but as I said before Bernard knew that there would be less power on Tito's punches because of the legal wraps.

Are you REALLY trying to argue this?!?!?!? Manny had recently been knocked out, was past his prime, much smaller and fighting with a TORN ROTATOR CUFF!!!! Tito was in his prime, just as big as Hop, undefeated and coming off the annihilation of #2 guy at 154 (Vargas) and 160 (Joppy) and was a HUGE favorite to blow Bernard out!!!!

Again, question was should Floyd have done more than land 148 punches (most insignificant) and the answer is YES!!!! Previous fight of the century was Ali vs Frazier 1. Watch that fight and compare to the Floyd vs Manny farce. Watch Taylor vs Chavez 1 and then compare to that farce. Watch Hearns vs Leonard/Hagler n compare those to that farce. Watch Evander vs Bowe/Tyson n compare. Carbajal vs Gonzalez. You get the idea. Floyd's great, but could care less about the fans. For almost $200m for the last fight, he should've cared and done more.

You seem to lack the ability to grasp the reality of THIS fight and the fighters involved and are instead comparing the words used in promoting the fight like "fight of the century" to past fights fought by different fighters. They chose "fight of the century" because it was going to generate the more money than any other fight this or last or any century(probably all combined). Floyd is not Hagler or Leonard. He is not Holyfield or Bowe. He is not anyone but himself. He fought exactly the same fight he always fights. So how can you say he should have done more? Pacquiao should have done more. Pacquiao is the one who threw 500 less punches. Pacquiao was the one who connected with less than 82 punches. Pacquiao was the one who made little to no effort to cut off the ring or attack recklessly to take his opponent down. Mayweather fought to the blueprint he always fights.

You look like a fool suggesting that Floyd be someone that he's not. Hes the highest paid athlete in the world 3 years running. He's the highest paid boxer ever. He's the reason everyone bough the fight. He must be doing everything just fine. It's chumps like you that are still trying to put the blame on him for dominating Pacquiao that are a fucking farce.

You're completely bat shit crazy Rocco. Watch Floyd's fights vs Judah, Hatton and Chico again and compare to the farce. He tried for the stoppage in every single one of those fights. Watch his fight vs Gatti n N'Dou. Same thing. He threw combinations n actually walked guys down.

Of course Manny threw less punches than usual, he had one arm working correctly and Floyd was 100% focused on lateral movement and perpetual motion of his feet. This isn't to let Manny off the hook, his performance was equally horrendous. Floyd was the superior fighter though, so he should've done more and closed the show like ATGs are supposed to. That being said, if you are looking for a critique of Manny to unbunch your panties, here it is: Manny didn't belong in the ring with Floyd, was clearly an inferior fighter and has been classless with his behavior/comments since losing fairly to Floyd.

Do you even watch boxing? Are you even a fan, or just an MMA guy on here trolling? To make some of the statements you make, it makes me wonder...

Pacquiao's injury is pure fiction. The fact that you're willing to give creedence to that load of shit excuse shows you aren't fit to judge this fight.

Manny was the fighter of the decade. Manny was the P4P#1 or 2 fighter in the world for years. Manny was supposed to be Floyd's kryptonite. Gatti, N'Dou, Hatton, Zab how do they compare?!? What kind of joke are you! HAHa!!! Besides, those fights happened 10 to 15 years ago.

[p4pking]

Tito just bet the number 2 with LOADED GLOVES. Bernard made sure Tito had normal regulation wraps for their fight. So he knew he could go after him.

Also I'd argue that Manny is a more multidimensional fighter than Tito. You have to worry about Manny's movement, his angles, his speed his combos. Tito needed to be set up on the front foot to throw. Bernard put on a masterful performance never letting him set to throw but as I said before Bernard knew that there would be less power on Tito's punches because of the legal wraps.

Are you REALLY trying to argue this?!?!?!? Manny had recently been knocked out, was past his prime, much smaller and fighting with a TORN ROTATOR CUFF!!!! Tito was in his prime, just as big as Hop, undefeated and coming off the annihilation of #2 guy at 154 (Vargas) and 160 (Joppy) and was a HUGE favorite to blow Bernard out!!!!

Again, question was should Floyd have done more than land 148 punches (most insignificant) and the answer is YES!!!! Previous fight of the century was Ali vs Frazier 1. Watch that fight and compare to the Floyd vs Manny farce. Watch Taylor vs Chavez 1 and then compare to that farce. Watch Hearns vs Leonard/Hagler n compare those to that farce. Watch Evander vs Bowe/Tyson n compare. Carbajal vs Gonzalez. You get the idea. Floyd's great, but could care less about the fans. For almost $200m for the last fight, he should've cared and done more.

You seem to lack the ability to grasp the reality of THIS fight and the fighters involved and are instead comparing the words used in promoting the fight like "fight of the century" to past fights fought by different fighters. They chose "fight of the century" because it was going to generate the more money than any other fight this or last or any century(probably all combined). Floyd is not Hagler or Leonard. He is not Holyfield or Bowe. He is not anyone but himself. He fought exactly the same fight he always fights. So how can you say he should have done more? Pacquiao should have done more. Pacquiao is the one who threw 500 less punches. Pacquiao was the one who connected with less than 82 punches. Pacquiao was the one who made little to no effort to cut off the ring or attack recklessly to take his opponent down. Mayweather fought to the blueprint he always fights.

You look like a fool suggesting that Floyd be someone that he's not. Hes the highest paid athlete in the world 3 years running. He's the highest paid boxer ever. He's the reason everyone bough the fight. He must be doing everything just fine. It's chumps like you that are still trying to put the blame on him for dominating Pacquiao that are a fucking farce.

You're completely bat shit crazy Rocco. Watch Floyd's fights vs Judah, Hatton and Chico again and compare to the farce. He tried for the stoppage in every single one of those fights. Watch his fight vs Gatti n N'Dou. Same thing. He threw combinations n actually walked guys down.

Of course Manny threw less punches than usual, he had one arm working correctly and Floyd was 100% focused on lateral movement and perpetual motion of his feet. This isn't to let Manny off the hook, his performance was equally horrendous. Floyd was the superior fighter though, so he should've done more and closed the show like ATGs are supposed to. That being said, if you are looking for a critique of Manny to unbunch your panties, here it is: Manny didn't belong in the ring with Floyd, was clearly an inferior fighter and has been classless with his behavior/comments since losing fairly to Floyd.

Do you even watch boxing? Are you even a fan, or just an MMA guy on here trolling? To make some of the statements you make, it makes me wonder...

Don't want to inject myself in this, but I don't think these are fair comparisons. Hatton and Chico kept coming at Floyd(who was much younger and had his legs), and Judah was always fairly useless in the late rounds. Pacquiao was still dangerous at all times and Floyd is old now, the only surprise to me was that he wasn't made to fight at a higher pace, nobody should be shocked that he didn't given the choice. Even in much better form he has clearly shown he's willing to cruise through fights, think about Baldomir or tha Brusseles guy, or Guerrero for that matter.

[ruthless rocco]

Don't want to inject myself in this, but I don't think these are fair comparisons. Hatton and Chico kept coming at Floyd(who was much younger and had his legs), and Judah was always fairly useless in the late rounds. Pacquiao was still dangerous at all times and Floyd is old now, the only surprise to me was that he wasn't made to fight at a higher pace, nobody should be shocked that he didn't given the choice. Even in much better form he has clearly shown he's willing to cruise through fights, think about Baldomir or tha Brusseles guy, or Guerrero for that matter.

Voice of reason!

[imp]

I think floyd can't do anymore.

I wish he did do more but I suppose like Hopkins he nullified the opponents output and in a way that was a great achievement.

His hands are worse so he can't throw the combinations that he used too.

I just wanted a little taste of aggression in one of the rounds but in hindsight I suppose he never had too.

[mikeeod]

Tito just bet the number 2 with LOADED GLOVES. Bernard made sure Tito had normal regulation wraps for their fight. So he knew he could go after him.

Also I'd argue that Manny is a more multidimensional fighter than Tito. You have to worry about Manny's movement, his angles, his speed his combos. Tito needed to be set up on the front foot to throw. Bernard put on a masterful performance never letting him set to throw but as I said before Bernard knew that there would be less power on Tito's punches because of the legal wraps.

Are you REALLY trying to argue this?!?!?!? Manny had recently been knocked out, was past his prime, much smaller and fighting with a TORN ROTATOR CUFF!!!! Tito was in his prime, just as big as Hop, undefeated and coming off the annihilation of #2 guy at 154 (Vargas) and 160 (Joppy) and was a HUGE favorite to blow Bernard out!!!!

Again, question was should Floyd have done more than land 148 punches (most insignificant) and the answer is YES!!!! Previous fight of the century was Ali vs Frazier 1. Watch that fight and compare to the Floyd vs Manny farce. Watch Taylor vs Chavez 1 and then compare to that farce. Watch Hearns vs Leonard/Hagler n compare those to that farce. Watch Evander vs Bowe/Tyson n compare. Carbajal vs Gonzalez. You get the idea. Floyd's great, but could care less about the fans. For almost $200m for the last fight, he should've cared and done more.

You seem to lack the ability to grasp the reality of THIS fight and the fighters involved and are instead comparing the words used in promoting the fight like "fight of the century" to past fights fought by different fighters. They chose "fight of the century" because it was going to generate the more money than any other fight this or last or any century(probably all combined). Floyd is not Hagler or Leonard. He is not Holyfield or Bowe. He is not anyone but himself. He fought exactly the same fight he always fights. So how can you say he should have done more? Pacquiao should have done more. Pacquiao is the one who threw 500 less punches. Pacquiao was the one who connected with less than 82 punches. Pacquiao was the one who made little to no effort to cut off the ring or attack recklessly to take his opponent down. Mayweather fought to the blueprint he always fights.

You look like a fool suggesting that Floyd be someone that he's not. Hes the highest paid athlete in the world 3 years running. He's the highest paid boxer ever. He's the reason everyone bough the fight. He must be doing everything just fine. It's chumps like you that are still trying to put the blame on him for dominating Pacquiao that are a fucking farce.

You're completely bat shit crazy Rocco. Watch Floyd's fights vs Judah, Hatton and Chico again and compare to the farce. He tried for the stoppage in every single one of those fights. Watch his fight vs Gatti n N'Dou. Same thing. He threw combinations n actually walked guys down.

Of course Manny threw less punches than usual, he had one arm working correctly and Floyd was 100% focused on lateral movement and perpetual motion of his feet. This isn't to let Manny off the hook, his performance was equally horrendous. Floyd was the superior fighter though, so he should've done more and closed the show like ATGs are supposed to. That being said, if you are looking for a critique of Manny to unbunch your panties, here it is: Manny didn't belong in the ring with Floyd, was clearly an inferior fighter and has been classless with his behavior/comments since losing fairly to Floyd.

Do you even watch boxing? Are you even a fan, or just an MMA guy on here trolling? To make some of the statements you make, it makes me wonder...

Pacquiao's injury is pure fiction. The fact that you're willing to give creedence to that load of shit excuse shows you aren't fit to judge this fight.

Manny was the fighter of the decade. Manny was the P4P#1 or 2 fighter in the world for years. Manny was supposed to be Floyd's kryptonite. Gatti, N'Dou, Hatton, Zab how do they compare?!? What kind of joke are you! HAHa!!! Besides, those fights happened 10 to 15 years ago.

So, if I understand your logic correctly, Manny doesn't really have an injured shoulder, he's just having surgery as a cover up? Does that make ANY sense to you at all?? Seriously, that is an asinine theory.

Once again, you fall off topic and try to argue semantics. You said Floyd never fought different than he did vs. Manny (which is irrelevant to the conversation, but whatever) and I gave you multiple examples of where he fought with more aggression and closed the show. Despite any nuance or caveat you want to focus on, Floyd fought in a much different manner in those fights as well as his fights vs. Ortiz, Guerrero and JMM. He should've done more vs. Pac to earn his paycheck.

[ruthless rocco]

Floyd fought differently 15 years ago when he was younger. He is 39 years old now. and was fighting the fighter of the decade, the guy that was supposed to destroy him. The guy who 80% of the public thought was going to KO him. It's his prerogative to fight a defensive fight. As the highest paid boxer ever and the highest paid athlete in the world 3 years running his recent style must be enough to satisfy fans otherwise he wouldn't be the money maker that he is.

YES it's true, Manny has no shoulder injury. He has an ego injury. He has a public image injury. He has an I've been exposed injury, but not a shoulder injury.

Pacquiao reportedly reinjured his shoulder. The initial injury was from a skiing accident from 2008? Manny's strength and conditioning coach of 5 years, hired in 2008, has gone on record as saying that Manny never had a shoulder injury. This is the man who helped Manny win titles from 130, 35, 140, 147 and 154 pounds. During this time he had fights against Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Margarito, Mosely, JMM & Bradley. Where were the signs of an injury during any of those fights? Look at the timeline for these fights...Manny never took any time off. When did this alleged injury occur?
Surgery is a vague term. It can mean as little a a local anesthetic and a small incision and walkout 15 minutes later. So I'm sure Manny had some kind of surgery. I doubt it was invasive or had anything to do with a pre existing shoulder injury.
His "surgery" was to repair his damaged image in the Philippines and to the gullible public (that's you).

Bob Arum has a great quote that you may find shocking (since you seem so dim). "Yesterday I was lying, but today I'm telling the truth."

[Master]

Why pay sky high price for an old faded Floyd who provides no entertainment value? It is insane and the equivalent of paying these prices to Muhammad Ali after he fought Frazier the third time.

Since when did 80% think Manny would win? Stop making this stuff up Rocco.

[ruthless rocco]

Why pay sky high price for an old faded Floyd who provides no entertainment value? It is insane and the equivalent of paying these prices to Muhammad Ali after he fought Frazier the third time.

Since when did 80% think Manny would win? Stop making this stuff up Rocco.

HBO did a fan poll before the fight. The numbers were ridiculous in Manny's favour. I'm trying to find the exact stat but it was waaaayyyy off like 80%.