TOP 10 best ever users of the PHILLY SHELL DEFENSE

[RP33]

shoulder roll/philly shell for Foreman throughout that Holyfield fight.. worked pretty well for a while.

[El Kabong]

shoulder roll/philly shell for Foreman throughout that Holyfield fight.. worked pretty well for a while.

Except after he caught a punch he couldn't counter it.....much like Lamon Brewster on Saturday.

It's a difficult skill to master but those who are good at it are really hard to catch clean....Evander Holyfield used it sometimes

[bzkfn]

Skill wise, I've never seen anyone make better use of it than Mayweather.

[Poom]

Gotta be Toney

[The Rookie Fan]

I don't know about the best. But I sure know who was the worst at it Oscar de la Hoya while training with Maywether Sr.. He never quite got it did he.

[JT Rock]

Hell brah,who do you think taught it to B-hop?

Lol..Whenever someone says brah i always think of dog the bounty hunter

If you guys had the same hair you might be lookalikes too!

Lol..I forget his name ..I believe it was loui something.. But he worked on alot of the foundations of Bhop in Philly penetentiary..

Sorry for the spelling..You see in england..We call it prison :P

Naw that guy taught him just enough to lose his first fight
After that he was trained by Fraziers

In Fact i believe his name was Bouie..Lol

Nahh man i cant believe that yo.. On Bhops behind the glory he gives so much credit to that dude..

Trust me son,I know the Gym
Joe worked with him specifically

Yep like Beanflicker said in the previous post Moore, Norton, Frazier and Foreman(40yrold) utilized the Crab Defense(Cross Arm), you cant be a bob and weave fighter like Joe Frazier and incorporate the Philly Shell, I dont think even Michael Jackson and Ginuwine are coordinated enough to do that

But I agree with most of everyone listing in no paticular order my modern Era fighters utilizing it the best would be

Bhop
Toney
Mayweather jr

No coincidence that all 3 have never been KO'D and are headed to Canastota

[Taeth]

I Don't get how people can have Toney ahead of Mayweather when he got hit more, and not just against the good fighters, but against the bad ones to. Mayweather is quite obviously better when he is one of the top 3 or 4 defensive fighters ever along with Whitaker, Pep, and a italian guy who's name eludes me at the moment.

[Ice Man]

No order


Floyd Mayweather

James Toney

Zab Judah (at times)...

didn't Sugar Ray Robinson use it too, that had him using it on Fight night 3

[JT Rock]

I Don't get how people can have Toney ahead of Mayweather when he got hit more, and not just against the good fighters, but against the bad ones to. Mayweather is quite obviously better when he is one of the top 3 or 4 defensive fighters ever along with Whitaker, Pep, and a italian guy who's name eludes me at the moment.

Willie Pep

[Taeth]

it wasn't willy pep, his last name sounded Italien
if I saw it I would recognize it.

[Lionheart Lacy]

no fighter has used the philly shell defense like James Toney and at the highest level and against the most opponents, truly the most effective boxing style however it isnt very crowd pleasing if the other guy is a boxer style , so being ppv is tough. watch fights of toney against holyfield and barkley where he schools em both with poetic efficiency, and at the same time he is busting em up pretty badly, the thudding from his punches that landed on holydfield was amazing. them fights sell.

but not everyone is a come forward type of fighter.

[Kev]

no fighter has used the philly shell defense like James Toney and at the highest level and against the most opponents, truly the most effective boxing style however it isnt very crowd pleasing if the other guy is a boxer style , so being ppv is tough. watch fights of toney against holyfield and barkley where he schools em both with poetic efficiency, and at the same time he is busting em up pretty badly, the thudding from his punches that landed on holydfield was amazing. them fights sell.

but not everyone is a come forward type of fighter.

I'd say Mayweather and Bhop use it better than Toney. The reason Toney has looked so good in recent years is that's he moved up to the heavyweight division where most of them can't box for S***.

Watch his fights in the lower ranks and he sure didn't look so slick. Pound for pound and prime for prime Floyd and Hopkins would completely outbox Toney. Not saying Toney would get dominated in those fights, but he'd be looking to wear them out and knock them out in the late rounds a la Michael Nunn cos he sure as hell wouldn't beat either of them on points.

[Taeth]

I'm not so sure about Hopkins outboxing Toney, and he sure looked slick against everyone I saw him against except Roy JOnes Jr. and Nunn.

[Taeth]

no fighter has used the philly shell defense like James Toney and at the highest level and against the most opponents, truly the most effective boxing style however it isnt very crowd pleasing if the other guy is a boxer style , so being ppv is tough. watch fights of toney against holyfield and barkley where he schools em both with poetic efficiency, and at the same time he is busting em up pretty badly, the thudding from his punches that landed on holydfield was amazing. them fights sell.

but not everyone is a come forward type of fighter.

How can you say that? Mayweather has used so much more effectively in defensive manner. Toney's style was good, but he couldn't adapt when a fighter game him troubles. Noway would he have p4p dodged those punches from Oscar Dela Hoya. Toney couldn't adapt to the speed of Nunn or Roy though he was countering against Nunn was effectively Nunn was still connecting a lot. Mayweather adapted to Judah much quicker, and Mayweather had the bigger obstical to overcome in that he was always used to being the fastest man in the ring by a long shot, and so he had to adapt in ways he never had before while Toney had faced faster fighters before in his life.

[El Kabong]

it wasn't willy pep, his last name sounded Italien
if I saw it I would recognize it.

Niccoliano Locche?? Willie Pastrano