I didn't really know Hopkins uses it, I have seen alot of his fights and his hands are always up super high, or a high right hand and low left (but not across the body )
I didn't really know Hopkins uses it, I have seen alot of his fights and his hands are always up super high, or a high right hand and low left (but not across the body )
Thats cricket
very well said ccOriginally Posted by Lionheart Lacy
Thats cricket
Frazier has to be on this list...it's just criminal not to...Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
It feels good to be back home.
yeah because Frazier was so adept at avoiding Ali's flurries or making FOreman miss.
Or winning a gold medal,or winning the championship in the first place,or holding a version of the title for 5 years,despite only having a 73 inch reachOriginally Posted by Taeth
Man that guy was terrible
Did I say he was terrible? I just said he didn't have a great defence. I think Frazier is top ten best heavyweights ever for sure, and top 20 p4p ever. I just don't think his defence first of all was real philly shell, and second that it was all that good. Just because he rolled punches doesn't make him philly shell. I would say his defense was similar to Tyson's in that he came forward bobing and weaving, but Tyson kept his hands up, and he had the quicker reflexes. Either way Frazier is a great fighter, but he wasn't philly shell fighter, and he wasn't defensively oriented boxer.
Look at Frazier Zyglewicz,guy doesnt even hit FrazierOriginally Posted by Taeth
haha okay keyboard warriorOriginally Posted by Bilbo
Zyg... who? I just checked him up, and he was ko'ed in the first round so how can you really gauge how good his defense is? Tyson had good defense, but his doesn't hold a candle to Hopkins, Toney's or Mayweather's. THough I don't think Hopkins has all that great of a defense. He has great footwork and comes in tricky enough that a fighter has to be cautious, but defensively I don't think he's on the level of Toney or Mayweather, and I hope WInky shows that.Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
i would like to remind you why the philly shell defense or the shoulder roll style was invented/made.
it was taught to some fighters in the philadelphia area by some brothers, i forgotten who. it was taught also to the mayweathers too. these guys wanted to use an effective style for when they get older and there legs arnt all that. where they could stand infront of the opponents and defend themselves effectively. this consists of head movement (upperbody movement), shoulder roll, hand postioning (to protect the bodyetc) and other certain moves. i have almost all of toneys fights and he does it the best. anyone who says b-hop uses the philly shell can go back to sleep, cos he dusnt.
i knew mayweather will win the dela hoya fight cos of this defense. difference between toney and mayweather in style is, mayweather runs alot, he only uses the defense when he has to, when he gets trapped on the ropes or when he gets tired and stands infront of opponents (he used it beautifully against baldomir). Toney uses this defense properly, no running or anything. and he has proved he is one of th best fighters that has ever lived, fought the most dangerous fighters out there in every division he fought in. this might sound crazy but it aint, i think toney would have given hell to joe louis. watch louis's fight against walcott, he was dropped twice with the shoulder roll counter, jus imagine what toney would do to louis, worse to what he did to holyfield imo.
also the main p4p fighters and future p4p fighters use this style.
toney, mayweather, guzman, paul williams just to name a few.
CC^ Thanks for clearing that up.
I agree with your opinion that James Toney was the best to use it as well. Toney's shoulder roll counter was a thing of beauty, I loved the one he caught Nunn with earlier in their fight.
Gotta give the #2 spot to Niccolino Locche though, he could just stand straight in front of guys or with his back against the ropes and not get hit by anything.
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I got this fight on DVD, and Fuji couldn't hit Locche with a goddamn thing clean.
David Lemieux = Future MW Champ and P4P King
It was a title fight against a 28-1 opponent,and the whole reason it ended late in the first was because the guy couldnt land anything.Every time he took a chance to land something,taking a risky swing,Frazier clocked him for itOriginally Posted by Taeth
HEY BEANFLICKER, YOUR THE BEST MAN!!! i love this style of boxing i didnt think there was anyone that did it as COMFORTABLY, AS GOOD AND RELAXED AS TONEY AND ALSO STANDING INFRONT OF THE OPPONENT. but who is this guy, i know alot about boxing but hadnt heard about this guy, im learning everyday more and more about boxing. instantly i knew i could pick up so much from this argentinian!!!!! 136 fights and only 4 loses, only 1 stoppage by cuts is awesome. im excited i jus wanna watch more of this guy. jus dont understand why i neva heard of him before!Originally Posted by Beanflicker
thanks man! CC
i mean i've watched walcott, ezzard charles, and archie moore but they didnt do the moves like toney. this guy is jus like him. i wonder if toney watched this guys vids....awesome!
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