Were does Lewis belong in the ATG top 10 heavys of all time

[VictorCharlie]

I'd say Jim Jeffries, is a similar big punching fighter like Lewis. That being said size and punching power which is Lewis's main pluses over Johnson weren't huge factors against some other top smaller fighters such as Mercer and Holyfield II. I like both these guys, but neither was the total package that Johnson was. Give Johnson current nutrition, training and conditioning he wouldn't be questioned. It is only the time period he fought in that effects his legacy.

[Mr140]

Well that what i said in the first place his time is what does not put him in the top ten he was back in the 1900's

[VictorCharlie]

so 140 are you saying that no fighter before 1940's deserves a place in a respective weight classes top 10?

[Mr140]

height 6′ 1″
reach 77“
weight 239
Mercer

height 6′ 2½″
reach 78
weight 221
Holyfeild

height 6′ 1½″
reach 29“
221
Johnson

Tell you the truth Evander was alot better then you give him credit for and we are talking if they johnson came out the 1900's and lewis fouaght him out the 1990's because what your saying does really matter because i am talking if they faced each other out of their era and i have lewis winning

[Mr140]

Well look the heavyweight division is different there is no cap on it and heavies have gotten bigger and stronger and the game has evolved i mean come on some of the guys johnson fought weren't even heavies by todays standards

[VictorCharlie]

If you are going to judge by those standards then Marciano/Louis/Tunney shouldn't be on a top 10 list. I think you'd be hard pressed to find just about anyone who doesn't think at least one of those three should be on a top 10 list.

[Mr140]

Well what ever i say your not going to agree so i leave at this you think Johnson greater heavy then Lewis and i do not you are welcome to your opinion

[Mr140]

You saw my list you know were i stand and thats were i am at and will probably stay at for now

[ICB]

I'd say Jim Jeffries, is a similar big punching fighter like Lewis. That being said size and punching power which is Lewis's main pluses over Johnson weren't huge factors against some other top smaller fighters such as Mercer and Holyfield II. I like both these guys, but neither was the total package that Johnson was. Give Johnson current nutrition, training and conditioning he wouldn't be questioned. It is only the time period he fought in that effects his legacy.

Jim Jeffries ?? what the hell ?? he is nothing like Lewis what so ever.

[Mr140]

Tell you the truth i think that Evander would be a hand full for Johnson as well

[VictorCharlie]

Don't get me wrong I love Evander. I think the Holy's desire to get the KO caused some of his problems. He should have boxed more and slugged less, and I think he should have fought lighter closer to 200 and not 215. I think the extra muscle lead to alot of his stamina problems. I thought he beat Lewis in the rematch, but the first Lewis fight, losing 2 outa three to Bowe and the poor showing at the end or perceived end of his career make his legacy suffer. I could definately see him beating guys like Louis/Frazier/Tunney , but not prime Ali/Holmes/Foreman. Evander is the epitomy of styles make fights...But I think Johnson would be able to outpoint him and stay out of the slugfest that Evander would try to impose.

[Mr140]

That is a very good point i had Lewis on both but that is just me and cc for a good analysis were Evander stands

[Mr140]

And i would love to see what your top ten list is Van and if you put one up i will look again

[Lords Gym]

this would be my top 5

1 Louis
2 Marciano
3 Ali
4 Frazier
5 Holyfield