Who are the top 10 p4p fighters of all time?

[Mr140]

Ok you put him on sorry for busting your balls over it cc ice

[ICB]

How do you gage that by the way just to ask ICE or is it a opinion i mean who did Mosely face to prove he hit harder and speed was very close and Ray was the bigger man and was close to Mosely speed i will go watch some more flim they are very close in speed but i will look again

Its not about who they fought thats why my list is not based on what they accomplished P4P Mosley hit harder just look at his KO percentage at Lightweight and was faster P4P.

[Mr140]

I guess i see were i find a problem with this because how can you judge a guys power with out looking at his oppisition and another thing is if you can show me footage of both in their prime and show how much faster mosley really was because he would have to be faster by more then what i am thinking because he was at a lighter weight then SRL and that is all i am going to say about that

[ICB]

I guess i see were i find a problem with this because how can you judge a guys power with out looking at his oppisition and another thing is if you can show me footage of both in their prime and show how much faster mosley really was because he would have to be faster by more then what i am thinking because he was at a lighter weight then SRL and that is all i am going to say about that

'Sugar' Shane Mosley


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHY1A_KnnOA

[Mr140]

Ok just one more and i will take a look at it and time the shots to see the difference between them

[donnydarkoIRL]

1)Sugar Ray Robinson
2)Muhammad Ali
3)Willie Pep
4)Henry Armstrong
5)Jack Johnson
6)Sugar Ray Leonard
7)Julio Caesar Chavez
Pernell Whittaker or Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9)Marvin Hagler or Carlos Monzon
10)Alexis Arguello or Salvador Sanchez

Id like to state that originally i had Srl at 8 with Floyd Jr.
I thought Srl deserved pernells ranking at 6 so i switched. However i couldnt bring Floyd to six yet so i stuck him at 8 with Pernell.

I think this p4p list displays my penchant for Boxer/punchers and all action fighters, but i think its reasonably fair.

[Beanflicker]

I don't like making lists, but the ones that stand out to me are...

Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran (he's fought everywhere from lightweight to super middleweight with success, that is P4P personified), Roy Jones Jr (say what you want about his compedition, Roy Jones in terms of skill was possibly THE best of all time. You'll never see someone who can do what Jones could in the ring again IMO), Henry Armstrong, Pernell Whitaker, Benny Leonard, Muhammad Ali, and Floyd Mayweather Jr.

If you don't think Floyd belongs amoung the P4P greats of all time, you're either biased or you have your head up your ass.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Roy was amazing no doubt. On his night he may well have been thee best ever but....

His longevity was much less than other fighters on my list...
His Legacy does not contain near as many repauatable names as the guys iv included.
When he did fall from grace it was brutally by a KO and he was unable to avenge.
His career isn't done yet so i can't fully judge.

(That may sound as if it conflicts with my inclusion of PBF but Floyd has done enough already to make the list having ticked off names such as DLH, Castillo, Gatti, Corrales even Chavez.)

[ICB]

Roy was amazing no doubt. On his night he may well have been thee best ever but....

His longevity was much less than other fighters on my list...
His Legacy does not contain near as many repauatable names as the guys iv included.
When he did fall from grace it was brutally by a KO and he was unable to avenge.
His career isn't done yet so i can't fully judge.

(That may sound as if it conflicts with my inclusion of PBF but Floyd has done enough already to make the list having ticked off names such as DLH, Castillo, Gatti, Corrales even Chavez.)

Actually some people rate Whitaker in top 10 and Jones best wins are not far off Whitaker's im not saying Jones should be in top 10 but people slate Jones opposition all the time and his record is probably one of the best of his era.


Jones Whitaker

Bernard Hopkins James McGirt
Virgil Hill Julio Cesar Chavez
Montel Griffin Azumah Nelson
John Ruiz Roger Mayweather
James Toney Diosbelys Hurtado
Mike McCallum Jose Luis Ramirez
Vinny Pazienza Rafael Pineda

World Champion At. World Champion At

Middleweight Lightweight
Supermiddleweight Lightwelterweight
Lightheavyweight Welterweight
Heavyweight

[Mr140]

I have watched alot of the Sugar Ray Leonard and Mosley and they are very close i give it to mosley by a hair but considering that he was 2 weight classes below Ray i give it pound for pound even between them and as far as Kos be i think the competion plays a big part in how great a fighters power is so i am not sure if shane was more powerful or leonard at welter simple had guys who could take the better punchs and better fighter all around but any how i will stop beating a dead horse and thank you you ice for your input i like having a good debate and that is all i have to say

[rjj tszyu]

Roy was amazing no doubt. On his night he may well have been thee best ever but....

His longevity was much less than other fighters on my list...
His Legacy does not contain near as many repauatable names as the guys iv included.
When he did fall from grace it was brutally by a KO and he was unable to avenge.
His career isn't done yet so i can't fully judge.

(That may sound as if it conflicts with my inclusion of PBF but Floyd has done enough already to make the list having ticked off names such as DLH, Castillo, Gatti, Corrales even Chavez.)

You say that Roy doesnt deserve to be in it but floyd does because hes beat DLH, Castillo, Gatti, Corrales and Chavez ( Don't forget this isnt JCC). Well Roy beat Hopkins in his prime Toney in his prime and then other good fighters such as mcCallum, Virgil Hill, Vinny Paz, John Ruiz (Im including this more for the size difference than anything), Montell Griffen, Clinton Woods and Reggie Johnson who at the time was regarded as one of the top men around!

[Mr140]

No way has PBF acomplished more then RJJ he has a way to go in alot of ways

[rjj tszyu]

No way has PBF acomplished more then RJJ he has a way to go in alot of ways

Thank you! At least someones sober Today lol.

[CutMeMick]

1)Sugar Ray Robinson
2)Muhammad Ali
3)Willie Pep
4)Henry Armstrong
5)Jack Johnson
6)Sugar Ray Leonard
7)Julio Caesar Chavez
Pernell Whittaker or Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9)Marvin Hagler or Carlos Monzon
10)Alexis Arguello or Salvador Sanchez

Id like to state that originally i had Srl at 8 with Floyd Jr.
I thought Srl deserved pernells ranking at 6 so i switched. However i couldnt bring Floyd to six yet so i stuck him at 8 with Pernell.

I think this p4p list displays my penchant for Boxer/punchers and all action fighters, but i think its reasonably fair.

CC#187 donny really good list.
I like how you listed fighters whom you know and have seen and not some obscure fighter you've probably only have read or seen 1 highlight video of.
Good deal donny.

[Spicoli]

1)Sugar Ray Robinson
2)Muhammad Ali
3)Willie Pep
4)Henry Armstrong
5)Jack Johnson
6)Sugar Ray Leonard
7)Julio Caesar Chavez
Pernell Whittaker or Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9)Marvin Hagler or Carlos Monzon
10)Alexis Arguello or Salvador Sanchez

Id like to state that originally i had Srl at 8 with Floyd Jr.
I thought Srl deserved pernells ranking at 6 so i switched. However i couldnt bring Floyd to six yet so i stuck him at 8 with Pernell.

I think this p4p list displays my penchant for Boxer/punchers and all action fighters, but i think its reasonably fair.

CC#187 donny really good list.
I like how you listed fighters whom you know and have seen and not some obscure fighter you've probably only have read or seen 1 highlight video of.
Good deal donny.

Darn those Historians and there "Books". Come on Mick..some times reading hurts my eyes too.. Kidding man,Please dont ban me

Harry Greb was the Man! Jimmy wilde too