Originally Posted by Memphis
Originally Posted by Memphis
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or maybes hes just been stuck on the british heavyweight roundabout for far far far far far far far far too long !?
He wont win this one, but he does in the end deserve it.
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Well I look at it like this Donny....Right now it is hit or miss with Wlad...the next 2 or 3 defenses will decide...remember Lewis was criticized witout mercy for a lot of his career...Lennox did not get the respect he deserved or should I say start getting...until he was 35 or 36,,,,It wasn't until a yr or more after he retired his praises were sung and he became recognized as an ATG HW...Most list have him in the top 10 of big men.....It is one of those you never appreciate what you have until it is gone
I think I just quoted a hallmark card
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Chagaev will win easily.
Perhaps Daxx, i'll keep an open mind on the subject...Any boxer can be great in my eyes if they put in the effort. But doubt still lingers.Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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I see both sides of the argument here. We have a problem in that the lack of talent in the division makes it very difficult to see just how good Wlad is. I'd say it's clear he's head and shoulders above the rest for sure, but he needs to be tested.Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Donny, I see were you're coming from on this one as Wlad has shown a weak chin in the past and has lost to guys that would be taken apart by the likes of a Lewis or Tyson without issue. However, since his losses he has come on and improved alot. He has crazy power. His punches seem to echo when they hit an opponents face.
Daxx is right in that Manny deserves credit for Wlad improvement. His conditioning is much better and he is utilizing his tools more. Any guy that can beat Ray Austin (he's poor, but a world ranked Heavyweight) with one hand should make you sit up and take notice.
I actually was thinking about this, and to truly see how good Wlad is, I think putting him in there with Valuev will tell you alot about him. I like Chagaev, but if he fights Valuev again, he'll lose.
I haven't seen Chagaev fight, not even a clip, but I pick him to win.
Youtube my friend.Originally Posted by Bomp
I might just do that, cheers. I was going to criticise Chagaev for considering such a poor opponent, but then I remembered, the whole division is poor.Originally Posted by bzkfn
Chagaev is actually fairly decent. I'm disappointed it's taking him so long to sort a defence out though. Out of the 4 champs, he's #2 in my book. I guess thats not saying much though.Originally Posted by Bomp
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Only time will tell us the answer for sure...IMO the potential is there and I do think that his chin is a bit underrated....some people make it out like if a breeze should enter the arena and pass by Wlad during the fight he will fall .......Lewis was called a glass jawed champion for years because of the 1 punch losses to McCall then Rahman but in truth when looking back Lennox took some bombs over the years and never even budged!!.....
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Excellent points.....Especially on the level of current comp.....with Lewis he did fight and reighn in a solid era against some tough solid guys
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Actually 80s Heavyweights were talented they just threw there talent away with drugs or getting too fat the 80s Heavyweights would have mopped the floor with the Heavyweights now.Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
I always just considerd them underachievers...
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I think the Heavyweight Division is by far the best it's ever been and is waaay more talented than the other divisions.
Why do y'all think otherwise??
That is sarcasm right?Originally Posted by Slowmotion426
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