During my time here on Saddos I've seen a lot of the boxing vs mma threads and I have to say this is the most civil and rationale discussion I have ever seen.
Most bad government has grown out of too much government. Thomas Jefferson
Very well.....Dana is allowed to talk about how Floyd "isn't a superstar" when and if one of his own fighters makes Floyd Mayweather Jr. kind of money, until then MMA needs to know it's role and have that bald headed prick shut the fuck up! That guy gets mad at Brock Lesnar for going all WWE after his win, it's DANA WHITE that makes sure MMA remains a laughing stock.
You would never catch Roger Goddell, Bud Selig, or David Stern doing anything that Dana White has done. Plain and simple, Dana feels slighted by boxing, and is out to get the sport that denied him and well he's just going to have a tough time with it....here right now in the PRIME of UFC they still can't pull in the money like boxing can.
And what's funny is that their highest paid stars gets paid in the low hundred thousands while boxing's top stars are paid in the tens of millions with a slice of the PPV revenue. I remember reading awhile back a report that compared boxing's PPV revenue in 2007 compared to the UFC's PPV buys and 2 fights, the Oscar-Floyd fight and the Hatton-Floyd fight almost outdid all of the PPV buys of the UFC, and mind you UFC has like 1 major PPV fight a month. I think the UFC only had 1 or 2 events that surpassed 1 million buys. Whent he HW division had an abundance of stars in the 90s, they regularly passed the 1 million mark easy.
The so called reason why the MMA world is supposedly more popular now than boxing is because the Heavywieght division doesn't have an exciting star that can capture the public and the rest of the sporting world. If there was an HW out there on the horizon with the talent of a young ALi, Tyson, Holyfield, Foreman, the MMA sports world will crawl back in the shithole they were in for many years before they seemed to capture momentum when the HW division was on the downside.
Seriously you are a bigger imbecile than ice
Let's suggest a few names. Erm Rocky Marciano! Started as an amatuer at age 23, turned pro at 25. Was undispute and one of the greatest of all time.
Jess Willard was a strong man and never put on gloves until he was 30 years old. He was good enough to knock out Jack Johnson.
If ypu want a more recent example then how about the Rock?
Hasim Raham never put on a pair of gloves until he was 20 years old, he was just a drug runner before that. He was became an undisputed champ.
Kermit Cintron was a wrestler until he was 19, had never boxed, has done pretty well.
Antony Mundine had 4 amatuer fights at 17 then took up a pro rugby career returning to boxing only at age 25.
All the guys I've mentioned so far have been or currently are world champs.
In the uk we have a 38 year old taxi driver called Marty Rogan who only started boxing in 2004, he became Commonwealth champ and knocked out Matt Skelton which Ruslan Chagaev couldn't do.
Are you starting to feel silly yet?
All the guys you mentioned have experience by gaining it, it doesn't matter if they started their boxing careers late, but they had to gain experience. Now name me 1 guy in boxing that virtually had no experience in it and became an undisputed world champion after 1 or 2 fights. You can't.
And if you're going to use Leon Spinks as an example, that guy had an standout amateur career and was an olympic gold medalist, so he was well schooled in boxing.
Now name me 1, just 1 boxer that doesn't have almost no experience either at the amatuer or pro level and then become undisputed champion after 1 or 2 fights.
I don't think the UFC or MMA in general has hit aywhere near its prime yet Lyle.
Who knows; maybe it has, but imo it is still a fledgling sport and compard to boxing in its infancy. The sport has only really become legit in the last 6-8 years or so. Dana saved the sport because he knows how to market it and busts his ass promoting it, and damn if he hasn't made leaps and bounds and each year it becomes bigger and bigger.
Dana is a jackass though personality wise and I really can't stomach him personally; but he's good at what he does. Whether or not he feels slighted by boxing or not is irrelevant because he's quickly making boxing take a back seat to MMA{from a mainstream point of view}and in 10 years time no telling how big it will be. Lesnar made 3 million his last fight and no telling how much these guys will get down the line.
Why not use Lesnar? He's the face of the UFC right? And the UFC is the most popular MMA league is it not? The guy was undisputed HW champion after 1 or 2 fights.
Now name me 1 guy in boxing that was an undisputed champion in his weight class after 1 or 2 pro bouts without almost no experience. Can you do it? The guys you listed like Marciano became champs after extensively building up their pro records and gaining expereince. Marciano became champ after 40+ pro bouts, not 1 or 2 like the UFC.
So name me 1 guy in boxing that was an undisputed champ in his weight class after 1 or 2 fights. SInce you wanted to argue this point with me.
also back to what you said about Mercer, when the hell was Ray Mercer Heavyweight champ? he never won a world title, and as for Sapp giving anybody probs due to his size, ummm Sapp is like the MMA version of McCline, and well don't have to get too much into details there
same way you through in Skelton a former K1 fighter Cung Li should be thrown into that same category and yea he's the WEC middleweight champ after only like 3 pro MMA bouts
Last edited by ElTerribleMorales; 07-22-2009 at 12:48 PM.
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