Who is the better trainer: Floyd Sr. or Roger Mayweather?

[holmcall]

[JazMerkin]

I tend to go with Roger. He's far less heralded, but there must be a reason why Floyd prefers him in the corner. He also seems far less concerned about having the spotlight on him in the way Floyd Sr does. I doubt the actual tactical knowledge is sufficiently better in one or the other

[bradlee180]

Neither.

It used to give me great pleasure back in the 80s when roger maywetaher used to get knocked out all the time.

floyd Senior's big moment was getting splattered by a young green Sugar Ray Leonard who only had a handful of fights.
Senior was a c-level stepping-stone, nothing more.

Jeff maywhether's claim to fame is getting knocked out by a raw, green De La Hoya when Oscar was fresh out of the Olympics.
Jeff ruined Sultan Ibragimov who used to be very aggressive and threw heavy leather until he hired maywetaher and then put on that atrocious display against Wladimir in Madison Square Garden, worst Heavyweight Title fight in boxing history. The ghosts of the Boxing Greats in MSG were shamed.

floid JR is the only maywetaher that ever amounted to a damn thing in boxing, but he stinks out the joint every damn time with his crappy safety-first style of non-fighting PLUS he's always AVOIDED the best fighters.

Crap style, crap personality.

maywetahers are smoke-and-mirrors, simply trying to get money out of people...


Freddie Roach, Eddie Futch, Emanuel Stewart, George Benton, the late Chuck Bodak, Ron Lipton: now these are fight-teachers.

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[ElTerribleMorales]

not even gonna bother reposting all the big names that Mayweather's taken on, only division any one can say he avoided the top dogs in was welter, other than that, no

and screw that, i'd take Nacho any day of the week

[Nameless]

I don't know which one is best but as far as I've seen it, Floyd S.R is very erratic and unreliable and Roger doesn,t seem to have a list sheet for such behaviors, if I was a professional boxer, the first thing I would want in my corner is stability and reliability, if my only option is one or the other iof the Mayweather, I go with Roger for the reliability aspect big time.

[Youngblood]

I know who's more entertaining. Just look at that mug.

[jon09]

Here is a nice read from boxingtalk!!!The Egyptians realized ages ago that the triangle was a powerful design; as a result many of the Pharonic pyramids still stand today as monuments to a great past and wonders of the ancient world. In boxing, the Mayweather family has constructed a pyramid of their own, the triple threat of father, son, and uncle have chiseled and carved their way to the pinnacle of the sport. But like a pyramid, you can not get to the highest peak and position that final stone unless a good foundation is laid. As any fighter knows, it all begins and ends with proper training and it is in this regard that the Mayweather family has excelled and positioned that final stone in the person of Floyd Mayweather, Jr. However, as the Egyptians often learned, sometimes pyramids buckle from the weight.

As fighters turned trainers the Mayweather brothers, Floyd Sr., Roger, and to an extent, Jeff, all contributed to Floyd becoming the fighter he is today. Since nearly the start of Floyd’s professional career however he has worked almost exclusively with his uncle Roger. This has created an obvious rift between father and son that has played out in the media for many years. Though there are many reasons for their past estrangement it is clear that not being the primary trainer of his son has troubled Sr. But rather than cry about it, Floyd Sr. has fabricated a new ego driven identity referring to himself as the “greatest trainer of all times,” Floyd Jr., seemingly in direct opposition of his father, often refers to Roger as the “greatest trainer in the sport.” To quote Floyd’s most recent interview with ESPN’s Brian Kenny, “you can’t have it both ways, which one is it?” With a plethora of documentary footage, training video, fight results, and professional opinions available, is it possible to determine which Mayweather is indeed the greatest trainer?

In a recent interview with Bossip, Floyd gives this opinion of his father and uncles training ability: “Listen, Roger Mayweather has been in my corner since…day one pretty much. We are Montana and Rice. I love my dad and he is an “aight” trainer, but I made him an excellent trainer. People think he trained me the whole way and that is why he is so sought after now. My dad has only trained me for two (professional) fights. People fail to realize that.”

Floyd’s take on his place in the sport has always been a mixed bag for writers but his opinion that he took his father from an “aight” trainer to an excellent one is no less provocative. Usually it is the other way around; an excellent trainer will often make their “aight” fighter better, such as the case with Freddie Roach and Manny Pacquiao, Emmanuel Steward and Thomas Hearns, and also Buddy McGirt and the late Arturo Gatti. Why Floyd sometimes gives his father credit but then takes it back is a mystery to all but Floyd Jr. himself.

One of Floyd Sr’s strengths as a trainer is clearly his experience. In addition to his son, he has worked with many current and former champions, fighters like Chad Dawson, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Steve Forbes, Joan Guzman, and Laila Ali just to name a few. In addition to teaching his defensive techniques, Sr. prides himself as an excellent ring strategist. It is often easy to spot when fighters are doing specific movements associated with Mayweather, the shoulder role defense in particular, stiff jab and move, in the pocket defense/offense using elbows and head movement, etc…a problem however concerns whether it is wise to teach fighters a style that may not be suitable to their abilities? Watching some fighters attempt to use Sr.’s techniques is sometimes more dreadful than appealing.

In regards to Floyd Jr.’s fighting style it appears (in my opinion) to favor the techniques associated with his father. Though I can be completely wrong considering that fighters know exactly what they pick up from other trainers, I question if Roger is “training” Mayweather Jr., as in teaching new skills and strategy, or did he inherit a finished product and is simply rehearsing for the next performance? In Jr.’s fight against Carlos Baldomir for instance, Roger was not in the corner due to being suspended, yet it was business as usual for Floyd.

Despite questions concerning Roger as a “teacher” what is apparent is the chemistry between the two. Roger and Floyd Jr.’s training footage and pad work has become legendary and one thing they certainly have down to a science is speed, timing, and coordination. A fighter could be very successful with just that alone. In addition, Floyd at times is an aggressor who throws frequent right hand leads and hooks; Roger, an offensive fighter during his career, is often credited with targeting the more aggressive side of Floyd’s offense. Unlike Floyd Sr. however, Roger has not worked with nearly as many champions and is not as publicly sought after as his brother. That in itself does not mean Sr. is better but perhaps Roger is content working almost exclusively with arguably the best fighter in the world. As a consequence, there have been fewer opportunities to observe Roger as a trainer, teacher, and strategist, thus a smidgeon of doubt concerning what he can achieve with a fighter not named Floyd.

A great opportunity to see a trainer in action is not just in the gym but during the fight itself. Actions and instructions given to fighters between rounds are routinely televised and every word is analyzed and critiqued. Floyd Sr. was most recently heard instructing former junior welterweight champion Ricky Hatton to keep his hands up and to not jump straight in at Manny Pacquiao; coincidently, it was Hatton’s failure to follow these instructions that many agree led to a dramatic knockout loss. Roger, when working with Floyd Jr., is often heard given these instructions, “keep doing what you doing, we gonna get the motherfucker.” Now those are fine instructions when a fighter is doing everything right, if it aint broke why fix it, but it is clear that Floyd Sr., even when in the corner of a great fighter like Oscar De La Hoya, is forced to work a bit harder on in-fight strategy and motivation.

What both trainers have in common is drive, dedication, and loyalty to the sweet science. Both place emphasis on speed, using the jab, footwork and head movement; fundamentally learning how to box in addition to learning how to fight. Also, each Mayweather, including Jr., is armed with a defiant yet entertaining gift for verbally assaulting any and all fighters, trainers, fans, or media critics who disagree with their narcissistic view of themselves; which to their credit often lead to increased viewer ratings and ticket sales. This overstated confidence however is clearly derived from fighting smart not talking trash.

In the course of observing and reviewing this topic I have learned that analyzing and reviewing fighters is much easier than comparing and contrasting trainers. The goal was to determine which Mayweather is the greater trainer and I am happy to admit I have failed. When comparing Roger and Floyd Sr. the only opinion I can offer is that Roger appears great in the gym and Floyd Sr. seems great in the corner. I like the instruction and strategic advice provided by Sr. but witnessing Roger and Floyd Jr.’s gym work is inspiring. So why criticize Roger for focusing on one great fighter which is a proven way to build a champion and why disparage Floyd Sr. for sharing his knowledge with many fighters who are simply trying to enhance what they already know? Ultimately a great trainer will be defined by their great fighter(s) and great fighters will be defined by their great trainer(s); but even still it is up to the fighter, whether he is a son or nephew, to decide if he will give, share, or simply keep all the credit for himself.BOXINGTALK

[holmcall]

Holy shite!

[JonesJrMayweather]

Sr is the better trainer. He gave floyd that style, all roger did was emphasize offense.

[Spicoli]

Just read Uncle Roger was under arrest for choking out and punching on his girlfriend actually a former trainee,female boxer classy guy

[blegit]

I think both are overrated trainers but between the two I'd go with Roger. He actually makes sense and does mitt work that is unmatched. Both really just gained their real fame off of PBF's success. They must do something special with other fighters to get full recognition. And they both must re-take English class before we can accurately analyze their argument.

[Julius Rain]

there both overrated, floyd jr makes them look good but there both crack idiots.

floyd sr - trow da rwiggh ook dkja kdh akdl she em takin bout?

roger - seee what he has to do ishh...(lost of thought)

[BIG H]

Here is a nice read from boxingtalk!!!The Egyptians realized ages ago that the triangle was a powerful design; as a result many of the Pharonic pyramids still stand today as monuments to a great past and wonders of the ancient world. In boxing, the Mayweather family has constructed a pyramid of their own, the triple threat of father, son, and uncle have chiseled and carved their way to the pinnacle of the sport. But like a pyramid, you can not get to the highest peak and position that final stone unless a good foundation is laid. As any fighter knows, it all begins and ends with proper training and it is in this regard that the Mayweather family has excelled and positioned that final stone in the person of Floyd Mayweather, Jr. However, as the Egyptians often learned, sometimes pyramids buckle from the weight.

As fighters turned trainers the Mayweather brothers, Floyd Sr., Roger, and to an extent, Jeff, all contributed to Floyd becoming the fighter he is today. Since nearly the start of Floyd’s professional career however he has worked almost exclusively with his uncle Roger. This has created an obvious rift between father and son that has played out in the media for many years. Though there are many reasons for their past estrangement it is clear that not being the primary trainer of his son has troubled Sr. But rather than cry about it, Floyd Sr. has fabricated a new ego driven identity referring to himself as the “greatest trainer of all times,” Floyd Jr., seemingly in direct opposition of his father, often refers to Roger as the “greatest trainer in the sport.” To quote Floyd’s most recent interview with ESPN’s Brian Kenny, “you can’t have it both ways, which one is it?” With a plethora of documentary footage, training video, fight results, and professional opinions available, is it possible to determine which Mayweather is indeed the greatest trainer?

In a recent interview with Bossip, Floyd gives this opinion of his father and uncles training ability: “Listen, Roger Mayweather has been in my corner since…day one pretty much. We are Montana and Rice. I love my dad and he is an “aight” trainer, but I made him an excellent trainer. People think he trained me the whole way and that is why he is so sought after now. My dad has only trained me for two (professional) fights. People fail to realize that.”

Floyd’s take on his place in the sport has always been a mixed bag for writers but his opinion that he took his father from an “aight” trainer to an excellent one is no less provocative. Usually it is the other way around; an excellent trainer will often make their “aight” fighter better, such as the case with Freddie Roach and Manny Pacquiao, Emmanuel Steward and Thomas Hearns, and also Buddy McGirt and the late Arturo Gatti. Why Floyd sometimes gives his father credit but then takes it back is a mystery to all but Floyd Jr. himself.

One of Floyd Sr’s strengths as a trainer is clearly his experience. In addition to his son, he has worked with many current and former champions, fighters like Chad Dawson, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Steve Forbes, Joan Guzman, and Laila Ali just to name a few. In addition to teaching his defensive techniques, Sr. prides himself as an excellent ring strategist. It is often easy to spot when fighters are doing specific movements associated with Mayweather, the shoulder role defense in particular, stiff jab and move, in the pocket defense/offense using elbows and head movement, etc…a problem however concerns whether it is wise to teach fighters a style that may not be suitable to their abilities? Watching some fighters attempt to use Sr.’s techniques is sometimes more dreadful than appealing.

In regards to Floyd Jr.’s fighting style it appears (in my opinion) to favor the techniques associated with his father. Though I can be completely wrong considering that fighters know exactly what they pick up from other trainers, I question if Roger is “training” Mayweather Jr., as in teaching new skills and strategy, or did he inherit a finished product and is simply rehearsing for the next performance? In Jr.’s fight against Carlos Baldomir for instance, Roger was not in the corner due to being suspended, yet it was business as usual for Floyd.

Despite questions concerning Roger as a “teacher” what is apparent is the chemistry between the two. Roger and Floyd Jr.’s training footage and pad work has become legendary and one thing they certainly have down to a science is speed, timing, and coordination. A fighter could be very successful with just that alone. In addition, Floyd at times is an aggressor who throws frequent right hand leads and hooks; Roger, an offensive fighter during his career, is often credited with targeting the more aggressive side of Floyd’s offense. Unlike Floyd Sr. however, Roger has not worked with nearly as many champions and is not as publicly sought after as his brother. That in itself does not mean Sr. is better but perhaps Roger is content working almost exclusively with arguably the best fighter in the world. As a consequence, there have been fewer opportunities to observe Roger as a trainer, teacher, and strategist, thus a smidgeon of doubt concerning what he can achieve with a fighter not named Floyd.

A great opportunity to see a trainer in action is not just in the gym but during the fight itself. Actions and instructions given to fighters between rounds are routinely televised and every word is analyzed and critiqued. Floyd Sr. was most recently heard instructing former junior welterweight champion Ricky Hatton to keep his hands up and to not jump straight in at Manny Pacquiao; coincidently, it was Hatton’s failure to follow these instructions that many agree led to a dramatic knockout loss. Roger, when working with Floyd Jr., is often heard given these instructions, “keep doing what you doing, we gonna get the motherfucker.” Now those are fine instructions when a fighter is doing everything right, if it aint broke why fix it, but it is clear that Floyd Sr., even when in the corner of a great fighter like Oscar De La Hoya, is forced to work a bit harder on in-fight strategy and motivation.

What both trainers have in common is drive, dedication, and loyalty to the sweet science. Both place emphasis on speed, using the jab, footwork and head movement; fundamentally learning how to box in addition to learning how to fight. Also, each Mayweather, including Jr., is armed with a defiant yet entertaining gift for verbally assaulting any and all fighters, trainers, fans, or media critics who disagree with their narcissistic view of themselves; which to their credit often lead to increased viewer ratings and ticket sales. This overstated confidence however is clearly derived from fighting smart not talking trash.

In the course of observing and reviewing this topic I have learned that analyzing and reviewing fighters is much easier than comparing and contrasting trainers. The goal was to determine which Mayweather is the greater trainer and I am happy to admit I have failed. When comparing Roger and Floyd Sr. the only opinion I can offer is that Roger appears great in the gym and Floyd Sr. seems great in the corner. I like the instruction and strategic advice provided by Sr. but witnessing Roger and Floyd Jr.’s gym work is inspiring. So why criticize Roger for focusing on one great fighter which is a proven way to build a champion and why disparage Floyd Sr. for sharing his knowledge with many fighters who are simply trying to enhance what they already know? Ultimately a great trainer will be defined by their great fighter(s) and great fighters will be defined by their great trainer(s); but even still it is up to the fighter, whether he is a son or nephew, to decide if he will give, share, or simply keep all the credit for himself.

Please post the link to the original article mate - Thanks

[Rocky Balboa]

Please post the link to the original article mate - Thanks

That's what I originally thought too

[DatsiK]

I think Floyd Sr is probably a little wiser than Roger.. or at least he comes off that way, but he also comes off pretty damn arrogant about himself. Roger is pretty arrogant too, but he's usually arrogant about his nephew, where Floyd Sr is mostly arrogant about himself.. I think he praised himself more than he praised Hatton in the 24/7 series.

I think they're both very good trainers, it just depends what you're looking for.. and I love them both, because they both never fail to crack me up.