let's get something straight here
vitali's style resembles a chimpanzee swinging his arms wildly about in comparison to floyd's.
let's get something straight here
vitali's style resembles a chimpanzee swinging his arms wildly about in comparison to floyd's.
people looking at punch stats only and not the fight? A majority of Vitali's shots were left jabs and up jabs and little hooks. He hardly looked like a lightweight in there throwing mad combos. 90 percent of the stuff he threw were jabs and off variations of them. And it wasn't even someone the caliber of Marquez. If we are gonna put so much on numbers like that we may as well say Malignaggi threw more then them both so lets rank him above.
Leonard started his career at welterweight, and he was way bigger than Floyd. Duran also was a much larger man then Floyd, and I still think FLoyd would still dominate at 160, maybe he will move up in a few years to 154 and 160. He already beat IMO the best 154 pounder when he faced De La Hoya. If Oscar wasn't the best 154 pounder he was right up there.
So if Vitali fought Bernard Hopkins AT HEAVYWEIGHT and whipped the crap out of him you'd give him credit? That's essentially what Floyd did by beating Marquez. Or maybe if Wladimir fought Tomaz Adamek at heavyweight he'd get credit for beating him?
Here's your chance to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you're no hypocrit...all you have to do is say "Yes I would give them full credit"....please be my guest and explain why I should even consider Floyd as a P4P best when he beat up a featherweight who hadn't even proven himself vs the best lightweights much less junior welters or welterweights.
Oh but he's Floyd 'Money' Mayweather, he's brash and irreverant and he's flashy on TV so it doesn't matter who Floyd fights or at what weight he fights anyone, it's only THAT he fights and that he acts like a total jackass, that's why we should bow down before him as the greatest of all time
I have no problem showering compliments down on Floyd's skill, he's amazing, outstanding, terrific....but does he challenge himself Does he try to challenge himself?? Has he set out to prove he is deserving of the title as the Greatest of all time? NO, NO, and NO. He's just a good fighter....Manny Pacquiao's wins over De la Hoya and Hatton (although they happened after Floyd beat those guys) were much more impressive because Manny moved up in weight and challenged himself vs the best 140 had to offer at the time and a very big albeit weight drained De la Hoya....and he stopped both of them.
See unlike you Floyd "fans" I think Floyd could beat Paul Williams, I would rather Floyd get KTFO, but I think he'd prove a lot fighting and beating the BIGGER guys and the guys who are solid threats, I think Pavlik is HUGE but he's slow and easy to hit, I think Cotto may not have rebounded from the loss to Margarito, I think Shane doesn't have the style ot beat Floyd, but will he fight those guys? Nope, he wouldn't even consider it because he's a punk....he's talented, but he's a little punk
Has Floyd ever been in a FOTY?
floyd's been in plenty of entertaining fights. he brawled with augustus, chavez, ndou and corley and beat them up. his one-sided clinics are enjoyable as well, unlike wlad's relentless jabbing(which aren't clinics anyway)
the baldomir fight was an exception. not one of his better performances
Oh ok, so Floyd has "clinics" and Wladimir just jabs people into submission....sure, there isn't any bias there. Wlad has a 84% KO ratio and Floyd has a 63% KO ratio...but that's OK because he's a "definsive genius" and puts on "clinics". But when Wladimir pummels someone it's "relentless jabbing"....I'm just making sure I get this right for future reference.
Floyd Mayweather beat Augustus?!?!?! Golly I'm impressed, the guy has only lost 31 fights out of 69 ....if you like stuff like that then how about Wladimir getting credit for beating Everett Martin
i don't see how you can consider wlad's performances, boxing clinics. he's not even on Chad Dawson's level in terms of skills, who also happens to be a basic boxer.
i'd have a watch at fights like marlon starling vs. honeyghan, mcgirt vs. brown, toney-barkley to see what a real clinic looks like.
duran showed more skill in the first round of his fight with barkley than wlad has in his entire career.
Last edited by sumkalambay; 10-04-2009 at 11:20 PM.
Well Roberto Duran is one of the Pound for Pound best fighters in the history of the sport, so that doesn't really give a bad impression on Wladimir. Wlad and Vitali are future Hall of Fame fighters....you can hate all you like but it doesn't count against what they have acheived. And the thing with the Klitschko's is that they never call themselves "The Greatest of all time" and therefore we are not forced to compare their accomplishments to the likes of Ali, Louis, et al. FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. on the other hand, all he does is say "I'm the greatest of all time" therefore were are forced to look at Floyd's career vs the likes of Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Willie Pep, Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns etc
Based on the numbers Lyle its you and a select few who believe your mayweather jibberish. The facts are the facts the numbers dont lie.
Tomaz Adamek is no where near the level of JMM so you can put that argument aside.
Dont come at me about Vitali I think he is a superb fighter and great champion and am a huge fan of his. Its Wlad I could care less about.
Yes I would have gave Wlad credit if Hopkins moved up and made the fight a few years ago like he was going to against Maskaev.
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