US students kicked of school campus for wearing US flag t-shirts

[Gandalf]

And my deportation comment was an honest one, if you don't like the country you are living in then why should you stay there? You are an immigrant and don't want the other natives saying "ahm an Arerriicaan". You've just got to learn to integrate somehow. It isn't Mexico.

[Gandalf]

Miles if South Korea decided to celebrate an National British day and on that day, and that day only several of your fellow Korean teachers turned up draped in the Korean flag I guarantee you you would take offence to that and feel as if they were deliberately telling you to fuck off home.

It has NOTHING to do with rights, freedoms or political correctness, it's just simple racism and aggression.

It's no different really to the crazed Phelps Baptist church picketing the funerals of fallen US soldiers and celebrating their deaths.

Yes it IS their right to do so according to freedom of speech, but it's an incitement to hate and violence and so everybody universally hates them for it.

You just sound like a racist to me, or at the very least someone who is happy to offend an entire minority group in order to make a very petty point.

I wouldn't say he sounds like a racist but other than that i fully agree with your post.

Maybe not, but I'm exercising my democratic right to call him a racist and if he doesn't like it he can fuck off the forum

Maybe, I will. Good job, Bilbo.

[ono]

And my deportation comment was an honest one, if you don't like the country you are living in then why should you stay there? You are an immigrant and don't want the other natives saying "ahm an Arerriicaan". You've just got to learn to integrate somehow. It isn't Mexico.

It's not as simple as that though. Nobody is going to move because a few trouble-making kids are being xenophobic. But people might react to it...which is why the kids were sent home.

[boozeboxer]

I am siding with miles on this one.

Bilbo and Miles have really reversed roles on this topic.

[mattboxingfan]

There is no such thing as being free in this world to many rules! P.S they should have worn union jack shirts they go down well everywhere!

[Nameless]

The day I am getting told that I cannot wear a flag of my country in my own homeland if ever I feel to do so because some immigrants/sons of immigrants and the direction of an establishment from where I am from decide that it is wrong I am making a revolution. Everybody's welcome to celebrate their national holiday in my country if they feel so but they shall not forget that they have to respect the history of the country as well as the citizens around.

[ono]

The day I am getting told that I cannot wear a flag of my country in my own homeland if ever I feel to do so because some immigrants/sons of immigrants and the direction of an establishment from where I am from decide that it is wrong I am making a revolution. Everybody's welcome to celebrate their national holiday in my country if they feel so but they shall not forget that they have to respect the history of the country as well as the citizens around.

They weren't doing anything to disrespect the country though. It was the American kids that were wearing the t-shirts to provoke a reaction from the Mexicans. I'm not sure how only me and Bilbo are seeing this. Baffling.

[Kev]

The day I am getting told that I cannot wear a flag of my country in my own homeland if ever I feel to do so because some immigrants/sons of immigrants and the direction of an establishment from where I am from decide that it is wrong I am making a revolution. Everybody's welcome to celebrate their national holiday in my country if they feel so but they shall not forget that they have to respect the history of the country as well as the citizens around.

They weren't doing anything to disrespect the country though. It was the American kids that were wearing the t-shirts to provoke a reaction from the Mexicans. I'm not sure how only me and Bilbo are seeing this. Baffling.

Indeed. The flag wearing isn't even the issue. It's not about flags, patriotism or anything else.

It's a simple case of a school principle wanting to maintain order and not wanting to take any risks with any threat of violence and aggro.

Nobody was punished, nobody had their rights or freedoms taken away. It was just a bunch of antagonistic students who clearly wanted to show to send a message to the Mexicans at their school and the principle, in wanting to diffuse the situation asked them to get changed. They refused, (clearly they were dicks) and so he sent them home, where they then whined about how hard done they were.

It's no different to if there was a national Homosexual Day, and on that day a group of students turned up with tshirts saying that God hates fags. It's the right of the student to wear the t shirt, but if there are gay kids at that school who feel targeted as a result then the principle will likely make them take them off of send them home.

Again, nothing to do with denying people their rights to freedom, but everything to with the principles responsibility to maintain order.

[generalbulldog]

Can you not see the flaw in your logic here? None of the marchers claimed it was a hate march. It was just a peaceful march that just happened to include Wooten Basset. It was those who took offence (i.e the British people) that decided it was a hate march and an incitement to violence.

This is the same here. The flag wearing students insist they did nothing wrong and just happened to choose to wear these particular t-shirts on this day, but the Mexicans clearly felt they were being disrespected and targeted.

And those muslims, (and the Mexicans) just happen to live in these countries too.

Its a fundementalist march held on the very same day and in the very same place that dead soliders are being carried through the streets. If that isnt a hate march i dont know what is.

This is the equivelant of myself not being allowed to wear my england top on the day eid or whatever the hell they celebrate.

It's the same principle here. On the very same day, and the very same place that the Mexican students are celebrating their national day a group of Americans turn up parading their own flag.

How can you not see that this could be an incitement to violence also?

It's not the principles job to allow his students to actively demonstrate their right to freedom of speech, it's his job to prevent the students from stabbing each other.

Given the levels of violence in American schools they clearly didn't want to take any chances in an American vs Mexican brawl taking place.

And all the principle did was tell them to either take the tshirts off or go home for the afternoon. There was no punishments or suspension. He just wanted to keep the peace, and these whiny cunts and their parents kick off just demonstrating the fact that they only wore them to antagonise in the first place.

Sorry, but they are just a bunch of racist knobheads imo.

Observe people. This is how you play the race card. BTW 1 of the kids wanting to wear the American flags and colors is half Mexican.

[generalbulldog]

That's the thing though. They aren't wearing them anytime they like. They're wearing them on that specific day to spark a reaction from the Mexicans, and in my book that is extremely xenophobic.

I just don't get how the Mexicans living in America can be upset by American people wearing their own colours. It is a bit rude, but that's it. Would it really upset you that much? I know it wouldn't bother me. If the Koreans all started wearing Korean flags, would I be upset? No, I know they are all hardened nationalists. It wouldn't bother me a bit.

Miles if South Korea decided to celebrate an National British day and on that day, and that day only several of your fellow Korean teachers turned up draped in the Korean flag I guarantee you you would take offence to that and feel as if they were deliberately telling you to fuck off home.

It has NOTHING to do with rights, freedoms or political correctness, it's just simple racism and aggression.

It's no different really to the crazed Phelps Baptist church picketing the funerals of fallen US soldiers and celebrating their deaths.

Yes it IS their right to do so according to freedom of speech, but it's an incitement to hate and violence and so everybody universally hates them for it.

You just sound like a racist to me, or at the very least someone who is happy to offend an entire minority group in order to make a very petty point.

Number 1, no matter how hateful or unpopular the speech or expression is, one can express them in America today. That's how the 1st amendment works. And tbh, even if the kids wanted to make a statement with those shirts they are well within their rights.

A famous case in the 1970s tested the 1st amendment rights. A group of Nazis wanted to march through Skokie, Ohio where a group of Jewish Holocaust survivors were residing. The community was in a uproar and wanted to stop the event. The ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) headed by a Jewish man wanted to protect and argued in favor of the 1st amendment rights for the Nazi protestors. His reasoning was that the 1st amendment rights protected freedom of speech and expression, no matter how offensive or unpopular it is. The courts sided with the ACLU and said they were right, that is the basis of the 1st amendment right.

It's something you won't understand. Europe and America are just entirely different with regards to situations like this.

And BTW, stop calling people racist when they don't agree with you. It's pathetic, although not as bad as being sexually attracted to little kids.

[Kev]

I just don't get how the Mexicans living in America can be upset by American people wearing their own colours. It is a bit rude, but that's it. Would it really upset you that much? I know it wouldn't bother me. If the Koreans all started wearing Korean flags, would I be upset? No, I know they are all hardened nationalists. It wouldn't bother me a bit.

Miles if South Korea decided to celebrate an National British day and on that day, and that day only several of your fellow Korean teachers turned up draped in the Korean flag I guarantee you you would take offence to that and feel as if they were deliberately telling you to fuck off home.

It has NOTHING to do with rights, freedoms or political correctness, it's just simple racism and aggression.

It's no different really to the crazed Phelps Baptist church picketing the funerals of fallen US soldiers and celebrating their deaths.

Yes it IS their right to do so according to freedom of speech, but it's an incitement to hate and violence and so everybody universally hates them for it.

You just sound like a racist to me, or at the very least someone who is happy to offend an entire minority group in order to make a very petty point.

Number 1, no matter how hateful or unpopular the speech or expression is, one can express them in America today. That's how the 1st amendment works. And tbh, even if the kids wanted to make a statement with those shirts they are well within their rights.

A famous case in the 1970s tested the 1st amendment rights. A group of Nazis wanted to march through Skokie, Ohio where a group of Jewish Holocaust survivors were residing. The community was in a uproar and wanted to stop the event. The ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) headed by a Jewish man wanted to protect and argued in favor of the 1st amendment rights for the Nazi protestors. His reasoning was that the 1st amendment rights protected freedom of speech and expression, no matter how offensive or unpopular it is. The courts sided with the ACLU and said they were right, that is the basis of the 1st amendment right.

It's something you won't understand. Europe and America are just entirely different with regards to situations like this.

And BTW, stop calling people racist when they don't agree with you. It's pathetic, although not as bad as being sexually attracted to little kids.

A nice inconsistency there.

Go fuck yourself, tosser.

[generalbulldog]

Miles if South Korea decided to celebrate an National British day and on that day, and that day only several of your fellow Korean teachers turned up draped in the Korean flag I guarantee you you would take offence to that and feel as if they were deliberately telling you to fuck off home.

It has NOTHING to do with rights, freedoms or political correctness, it's just simple racism and aggression.

It's no different really to the crazed Phelps Baptist church picketing the funerals of fallen US soldiers and celebrating their deaths.

Yes it IS their right to do so according to freedom of speech, but it's an incitement to hate and violence and so everybody universally hates them for it.

You just sound like a racist to me, or at the very least someone who is happy to offend an entire minority group in order to make a very petty point.

Number 1, no matter how hateful or unpopular the speech or expression is, one can express them in America today. That's how the 1st amendment works. And tbh, even if the kids wanted to make a statement with those shirts they are well within their rights.

A famous case in the 1970s tested the 1st amendment rights. A group of Nazis wanted to march through Skokie, Ohio where a group of Jewish Holocaust survivors were residing. The community was in a uproar and wanted to stop the event. The ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) headed by a Jewish man wanted to protect and argued in favor of the 1st amendment rights for the Nazi protestors. His reasoning was that the 1st amendment rights protected freedom of speech and expression, no matter how offensive or unpopular it is. The courts sided with the ACLU and said they were right, that is the basis of the 1st amendment right.

It's something you won't understand. Europe and America are just entirely different with regards to situations like this.

And BTW, stop calling people racist when they don't agree with you. It's pathetic, although not as bad as being sexually attracted to little kids.

A nice inconsistency there.

Go fuck yourself, tosser.

At least I don't make threads about wanting to fukk somone that is known for playing little kids roles all their life and asking random strangers on the internet if it's alright.

[Kev]

Number 1, no matter how hateful or unpopular the speech or expression is, one can express them in America today. That's how the 1st amendment works. And tbh, even if the kids wanted to make a statement with those shirts they are well within their rights.

A famous case in the 1970s tested the 1st amendment rights. A group of Nazis wanted to march through Skokie, Ohio where a group of Jewish Holocaust survivors were residing. The community was in a uproar and wanted to stop the event. The ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) headed by a Jewish man wanted to protect and argued in favor of the 1st amendment rights for the Nazi protestors. His reasoning was that the 1st amendment rights protected freedom of speech and expression, no matter how offensive or unpopular it is. The courts sided with the ACLU and said they were right, that is the basis of the 1st amendment right.

It's something you won't understand. Europe and America are just entirely different with regards to situations like this.

And BTW, stop calling people racist when they don't agree with you. It's pathetic, although not as bad as being sexually attracted to little kids.

A nice inconsistency there.

Go fuck yourself, tosser.

At least I don't make threads about wanting to fukk somone that is known for playing little kids roles all their life and asking random strangers on the internet if it's alright.

ha well I admit it wasn't my proudest hour but she is legal........just.......in some countries.

[amat]

People take 'freedom of speach' and think that means you can do anything. However, those rights don't extend to public schools. There are tons of rules in place school isn't the place to exercise those rights.

I went to high school in an area much like Morgan Hill, Petaluma, CA. Both have a set establishment of mostly white upperclass people and then everyone else is latino. My graduating class had barely any asians or black people so I can definitely relate.

These kids were DOUCHES, 100%. They are bitter that there melting pot is becoming increasingly brown in color and they can't stomach the fact that Mexicans in the US like to celebrate Cinco De Mayo. So they wear American flags on a day of celebration and use them as tools of EXCLUSION. On the day where you celebrate your Mexican heritage, you see a gang of white kids who made a coordinated effort to say 'Don't forget you are in America.' These kids are assholes, friends of mine have carried the same attitudes and the fact that these kids were trying to make a 'statement' for no reason.

It's funny that this happened in Morgan Hill too because it's an area that's generally split white/latino, there's only about 6 or 7 towns left in the Bay Area that are like that. It's the fact that there are a large number of Mexicans as opposed to Asians or blacks.

This is a common sense issue, these kids were making inflammatory statements meant to deepen the divide in the community and at a school. If this was a march and it was city streets, go ahead be a Dick and make people feel unwanted but this was AT SCHOOL. HTH I expected but I'm shocked people actually side with these douchebags.

[Dizaster]

"They said we could wear it on any other day," Daniel Galli said, "but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today."

It's either OK to wear or it isn't. End of.

I don't know this is one of the few times where I might actually side with political correctness.


The school just behaved appropriately. Look at the shitstorm that was cooked up in the UK a few months back when the Muslims wanted a peaceful march through Wooten Basset, which just happened to be the town famous for honouring dead UK soldiers killed in Afghanistan.

There were so many protests that they actually rushed a new law in to outlaw this groups freedom of speech in order to protect against a riot they said.

What's the difference here exactly?

They obviously don't want to risk fighting at school so they sent them home.

I seem to remember all of you being opposed to the Muslim march so why the change of heart here?

The flag wearing brigade sound like a bunch of incendiary minded twats to me.

I agree.... As soon as I read it, the first thing I thought is, why are these kids wearing the shirts that day? I bet the other 364 days of the year they didn't bother, but because it was "Mexican" day and a day for them to be proud of themselves, they wore the US t-shirts to kind of get attention, and also kind of show a seperateness to the Mexican's.....

I remember when we had a huge group of Japanese exchange students come to our school, and on their second day I wore a t-shirt which has a picture taken during Vietnam of a japanese lady with a machine gun pressed to her head...
It was applauded by all my friends, but I was quickly asked to remove it or I would be sent home...
Which is what I expected and was the right thing to do.... I was wearing it to be a little turd,,, and I bet if you go to the root of why those kids wore their USA flag shirts on the Mexican day, it was to equally be turds....


Going to far would be not allowing US flags to be raised on Flagpoles that day, or existing flags be taken down for the day.... But 2 kids turning up at school trying to play the "country" card against all the Mexicans on their day, then they should definitely be sent home if they won't remove the shirts..


(( this was the shirt I wore to school... Clearly I was asking for trouble ))