PAC deserve those props IMO

[miron_lang]

Its easy to pick of any fighters resume, Im sure 50% of the forum members can easily downplay any fighter's resume including Pac's. But please let me say these.


1st

Let us remind ourselves that Pac doesnt have the luxury of getting any fighter that he wants (Excluding Floyd) early in his career.

He's looking to annihilate the very best.

The biggest names were big names at the time for a reason. In 2003-2004 Morales, Barrera and Marquez were not just the 3 biggest recognizable name in the featherweight division. the y were the 3 TOP DOGS in terms of everything.

-Barrera was on HOT HOT Streak that #3 p4p was the least rank you'd see him

-Morales practically schooled IBF Champ Hernandez and had a courageous but still clear victory againts WBA Champ Jesus Chavez

-Marquez scared Gainer away, That's how good he is


Pacquiao did not blow away these 3 GREAT Mexicans. He only went 1-1-1 against them.
But he did take them on in a span of 15 months. Yes just 15 months .

Its like some Cruiserweight climbing up and taking on Evander Hoylfield, Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis

or some Light welter moving up to Welterweight and taking on Mosley, Margarito and Cotto in 2007-2008.

It doesn't also hurt that after 1-1-1 he went 4-0 againts the 3 Greats .


2nd

Starting the Diaz fight. Pacquiao wasnt fighting the same way. If you have watched Pac before you would notice this. He's looking for the KO from the opening bell. In the Diaz fight he showed great composure along with the improved right hook.

and look at the last 5 fighters that he fought and totally dominated DelaHoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito. These fighters were natural Welterweights that has or had titles and was also ranked at the very TOP and here comes Pacquiao blowing them away.

We can agree to ignore the 8th title but we also have to ignore SRL 's Lightheavyweight title fought at a catch weight of 166lbs. Out the 8. Only Diaz and Margarito weren't in serious consideration for being the best of the division. While Sasakul, Barrera, Marquez and Hatton were universally recognized as the best of the division.

After retirement PAC will be ranked very very high all time.

[killersheep]

Miron Lang...........talking about Pac?

Shock and awe indeed.

Return of the swarm...............

[:::PSL:::]

Miron Lang...........talking about Pac?

Shock and awe indeed.

Return of the swarm...............

He's a good PACLAND moderator. And I think he should be a mod here too.

Great post Miron

[killersheep]

Miron Lang...........talking about Pac?

Shock and awe indeed.

Return of the swarm...............

He's a good PACLAND moderator. And I think he should be a mod here too.

Great post Miron

It's the exact same discussion that comes up everytime he posts, well it was different when the PED accusations were going, but really. Pac legacy for dinner again?

[miron_lang]

Miron Lang...........talking about Pac?

Shock and awe indeed.

Return of the swarm...............

been here every day. Not posting though...Events and news can speak for themselves

I see you're getting tired of it? its just a day after the fight and you hate it already? People that talk about pac only knows pac right? uLOL

[killersheep]

Miron Lang...........talking about Pac?

Shock and awe indeed.

Return of the swarm...............

been here every day. Not posting though...Events and news can speak for themselves

I see you're getting tired of it? its just a day after the fight and you hate it already? People that talk about pac only knows pac right? uLOL

Don't really know what that means. But I digress, I'll leave you in peace in this thread to rehash the same arguments amongst each other again.

[miron_lang]

Miron Lang...........talking about Pac?

Shock and awe indeed.

Return of the swarm...............

He's a good PACLAND moderator. And I think he should be a mod here too.

Great post Miron

It's the exact same discussion that comes up everytime he posts, well it was different when the PED accusations were going, but really. Pac legacy for dinner again?

What can you do about it? its FACT that people ignore. I 'll give you the benefit of the doubt that we'll hate it also if the fighters we love were on the other side.

what about the PEDS? you wanna go in circles?

[miron_lang]

Miron Lang...........talking about Pac?

Shock and awe indeed.

Return of the swarm...............

been here every day. Not posting though...Events and news can speak for themselves

I see you're getting tired of it? its just a day after the fight and you hate it already? People that talk about pac only knows pac right? uLOL

Don't really know what that means.

Miron Lang...........talking about Pac?

Shock and awe indeed.

But I digress, I'll leave you in peace in this thread to rehash the same arguments amongst each other again.

Thank you. That's the best option imo.

Yeah that's the exact same details that 80% of the forum ignores.

[miron_lang]

And I have to enjoy dinner feast with him. I won't complain.
It's another Pac victory eve.

kupal eh. wala naman ma i kontra dun sa details lol.

trans:
Party on pre. looks like threads like this are tiring lol.

[Gandalf]

You can pick at both Floyds and Manny's resumes. The timing of certain opponents is questionable as we all know that a fighter is seldom the same after a brutal stoppage and then to go in with Manny? And with a catchweight? Not wise.

Still, as a fighter you can't argue with the tools that he displays. I think he would stop Marquez at 140 right now. He has got better and is clearly stronger whilst maintaining that speed. I love Marquez and think he won the second fight, but Pac has moved beyond.

[miron_lang]

You can pick at both Floyds and Manny's resumes. The timing of certain opponents is questionable as we all know that a fighter is seldom the same after a brutal stoppage and then to go in with Manny? And with a catchweight? Not wise.

I agree partially. Most of the criticism were made post fight. like with dlh, Hatton, etc.

Actually that dude Killersheep has a point, these things are getting tiring. maybe its better if we're debating on who actually won instead of weighing legacies

[Julius Rain]

No one including floyd will be near Pac in boxings historic legends.

I've been saying this shit since 2003!

[KananKrus]

Hesiquio Balderas of BoxingScene.com quotes

MAB, Marco Antonio Barrera...

''Manny Pacquiao is the best fighter in the world. Usually a good big man will always beat a good little man, but Pacquiao is a great little man. It is amazing how he can go up in weight and beat all of these huge guys,'' said the former three time world champion Barrera.
''I wanted Margarito to win. I mean my heart was with him and I thought he had a pretty good chance, but after Pacquiao cut him - I knew it was over. Manny is a gentleman, because he had Tony hurt in the 10th round and he could have finish him, but he let Tony survive. He showed his class and that is why he is the best. I am not ashamed to be on his list of victims because he is great,'' Barrera concluded.

Barrera: Manny Pacquiao is The Best Fighter in The World - Boxing News

[Hornfinger]

pac will get props from me when.....

He stops being given 'vacant belts'

Stops fighting at catch weights to his advantage

Stops trying to weight drain opponants

Takes a steroid test

Stops fighting shot/damaged/past it/josh clottey average fighters

He will get massive props from me if he does that.

[KananKrus]

pac will get props from me when.....

He stops being given 'vacant belts'

Stops fighting at catch weights to his advantage

Stops trying to weight drain opponants

Takes a steroid test

Stops fighting shot/damaged/past it/josh clottey average fighters

He will get massive props from me if he does that.

Obviously, the standards you've set shames that of Marco's. You are... incredible!