Obama's birth certificate a fake?

[Kev]

Pretty good video by Alex Jones trying to prove it's a photoshop job.

Very interesting....and worth watching.



I do love a good conspiracy I must admit. Going to get my tinfoil hat out of the wardrobe again.

[VictorCharlie]

Well the U.S. govt lied about Vietnam, Pearl Harbor, WMD and made up Osama so yeah there is no way that Obama is a U.S. citizen. Gotta be a fake.

[Kev]

Well the U.S. govt lied about Vietnam, Pearl Harbor, WMD and made up Osama so yeah there is no way that Obama is a U.S. citizen. Gotta be a fake.

Frankly it makes my worldview a whole lot more entertaining to believe there is some evil plan going on. I'm sold.

[greynotsoold]

In 2005 a friend of mine got out of prison, ditched his parole in California and came to Arizona. In a matter of weeks he had taken a truck from somebody and conjured up paperwork that passed the DMV and several police encounters. He had IDs and licenses and birth certificates in a variety of names, all proving that he was somebody else. I suspect that, with so much at stake and with so many more resources at his disposal, the president and his 'team' wouldn't hesitate to do the same.
Politicians and politics are, by nature, conspiratorial. I think it comes from being incapable of or unwilling to be truthful.

[VictorCharlie]

Why Birtherism Is Here to Stay - Reason Magazine

Fitting I thought

[generalbulldog]

Well the U.S. govt lied about Vietnam, Pearl Harbor, WMD and made up Osama so yeah there is no way that Obama is a U.S. citizen. Gotta be a fake.

You also forgot the fake moon landing.

[Youngblood]

conspiracy theorists are for the most part of 3 things:

1. stupid
2. have an agenda
2. stupid and have an agenda

if you find yourself in this camp, might be time to do an inventory.

[Kev]

conspiracy theorists are for the most part of 3 things:

1. stupid
2. have an agenda
2. stupid and have an agenda

if you find yourself in this camp, might be time to do an inventory.

Or 4. Know things that you don't

I think it's clear from the facts that the facts are clear, and that they speak for themselves. What they are saying is clearly what I want to them to say and in that I am in total agreement with them.

Oh, and your lama knows..

[greynotsoold]

I found an interesting book: "The Unseen Hand: An Introduction to the Conspiratorial View of History." It was written by A. Ralph Epperson, and was published in 1985. Very well researched and I believe that, for a time, he taught classes on the subject at the University of Arizona. Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, William McKinley and Dwight Eisenhower all spoke directly about or alluded to conspiratorial influences at play in the United States. Read about Zbigniew Brzezinski, then readhis book 'Between Two Ages.' Read about the Council on Foreign Relations and their goal, stated in 1921, of conditioning the American people to accept one world government. Then look at the people that have run for president since WW2...
As far back as 1804 people in this country have been wondering why, no matter who you vote for, nothing changes. Jefferson answered that concern by saying, in essence, if nothing changes there is a conspiracy afoot.
Now, he may be stupid, and I may be stupid, but it is more than a little naive to think that stuff just happens. And it is probably more naive still to think that all these people that were conspiring in the late 1700s, the early and mid 1800s, the early and mid 1900s, have suddenly given it up.

[Youngblood]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt bilbo, and label you a confounded contrarian, thus putting you in number 2...which i interestingly typo-d twice.

[Kev]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt bilbo, and label you a confounded contrarian, thus putting you in number 2...which i interestingly typo-d twice.

I did think it's no wonder he can't see the truth when he can't even count to three.

[OumaFan]

I assume this has to do with zooming in on it and it seeing that its been manipulated and has "nine separate layers" to it or something. (I really would rather shoot myself than watch it so hopefully that's it.)

Even Fox News, who would love this to be true, had a software expert on to basically say yeah people have no fucking clue what they're talking about. Its because of the scanner,

Here better explained by him not me

Expert: No Doubt Obama's Birth Certificate Is Legit - FoxNews.com

Bilbo I know you just love a good conspiracy but this one is the dregs of the earth. Basically just a bunch of racists who couldn't accept the fact that a negro had been elected. At least that's how it started here in the US.

[VictorCharlie]

Come one Ouma...The only thing worse than silly conspiracy theorists is the blatant race baiters. Prattling on about the Presidents birth place make make someone a douchebag but it does not make one a defacto racist. That is such a left wing media tactic these days. Someone is critical of the President. Too easy, just call them a racist. I guess everyone that ever referred to President Bush as a redneck was just a racist, b/c make no mistake that is a racial pejorative just as nigger, spic or gook.

[OumaFan]

I am not a race card person, its annoying when its brought up for any trivial little thing, but in this case its just blatantly obvious. What white President has ever been accused of not being born here? Is every birther a racist? No, I'm sure not, but it unquestionably was a major factor in the origins of the whole thing.

[VictorCharlie]

Ouma there is no way qualify that statement. People that irrationally dislike the President will cling to any detraction. Trying to make racism the inception of birthers simply cheapens real accusations of bigotry and prejudice.