I'm not ANTI-Haye or ANTI-Wlad. I just wanted a good fight.... damn it.

[TitoFan]

Let's set the record straight. I'm not against any of these fighters. But you have to consider the backdrop to this fight. Let's go through the facts one by one:

1. The heavyweight division is in a sorry state and has been for years. The fact that the Klitschkos are so dominant does nothing to change this fact. In fact, it makes even worse, because the division is composed of the Klitschkos on top of the hill, and a bunch of scared, blubbery (for the most part), has-beens and wannabes.

2. The general public is only interested in the heavyweight division. If the division was better, maybe more fans would gravitate toward boxing and the sport would benefit in general.

3. Haye has been doing his trash-talking for years.... calling out the Klitschkos, and in the process generating a lot of interest and anticipation among the public about a fight that was a LONG TIME in the making.

4. Some of us (myself included) would have probably WELCOMED a Haye victory. Anything to inject a much-needed boost into the heavyweight division and boxing in general.

5. Had Haye been more aggresive, and tried to win..... one of two things would've happened:

a) He would've gotten KO'ed.
b) He would've KO'ed Wlad.


Either way, the fight would've been great, and fan interest would've been stoked.

You see..... this was way bigger than just Wlad vs. Haye. This was the first significant fight of any interest in the HW division in years. You can name all the other HW's put together. The Arreolas, the Chambers, the Valuevs, blah, blah, blah.

So far it's been nothing but a long line of failures..... a succesion of "lamb-like" victims, being led to slaughter. Why is any of this so hard to understand.

[generalbulldog]

About boxing and the general public. Boxing will be in a very sorry state after the Klit bros, Pac, and Floyd retire. I don't see any dominant HW on the horizon and don't see anyone at the lower weights with the star power and abilities as the 2 divas. That is all.

[Kev]

I don't really see the point you are making. Wlad beat Haye because he simply too big, too good and the better fighter. I don't think Haye could have done anything different in all honesty.

Would you have preferred that there had been no hype? No intense rivalry for the past few years? No massive fight that got everybody talking?

You would have rather Haye would have quietly gone about his business and we'd have had no excitement or potential excitiment for the past couple years at all?

Because I disagree completely.

The Wlad Haye rivalry has been the only fun thing in the heavyweight division for the past few years. It generated interested and you seem to be wishing it had never happened now becuase Wlad dominated in the fight?

That's silly.

Haye talked a great fight, he fought a disappointing one, but one that was realistic considering the disparity in size and skill.

He's at least given us plenty to talk about the last three years or so so I don't see how it's been bad for boxing.

If you are disappointed he didn't put up a better effort, then imagine how he feels.

[TitoFan]

I don't really see the point you are making. Wlad beat Haye because he simply too big, too good and the better fighter. I don't think Haye could have done anything different in all honesty.

Would you have preferred that there had been no hype? No intense rivalry for the past few years? No massive fight that got everybody talking?

You would have rather Haye would have quietly gone about his business and we'd have had no excitement or potential excitiment for the past couple years at all?

Because I disagree completely.

The Wlad Haye rivalry has been the only fun thing in the heavyweight division for the past few years. It generated interested and you seem to be wishing it had never happened now becuase Wlad dominated in the fight?

That's silly.

Haye talked a great fight, he fought a disappointing one, but one that was realistic considering the disparity in size and skill.

He's at least given us plenty to talk about the last three years or so so I don't see how it's been bad for boxing.

If you are disappointed he didn't put up a better effort, then imagine how he feels.

Then I'll put it this way:

For all the shit Haye talked for years BEFORE the fight, his effort was less than spectacular, let's put it that way. He built up the fight by insulting the Klits and talking more than trash than the city dump. He single-handedly got people interested in a HW fight for the first time in years.

And then he delivered nothing. Rounds with one punch thrown....... shameful diving and dozens of looks at the referee, as if it were Wlad's fault. Lame excuses about toes, when real fighters have fought with broken hands and bum legs.

If you're going to talk the talk, you'd damn better walk the walk. ESPECIALLY when you've dragged a whole fan base with you, and spent years building the event. You don't seem to understand that a good effort, regardless of the outcome, would have generated at least a bit of respect for Haye. But as well put by one of your countrymen: He fought like a pussy.

Now...... what is it about my point you do not understand.

?

[ninjaspy3]

I don't really see the point you are making. Wlad beat Haye because he simply too big, too good and the better fighter. I don't think Haye could have done anything different in all honesty.

Would you have preferred that there had been no hype? No intense rivalry for the past few years? No massive fight that got everybody talking?

You would have rather Haye would have quietly gone about his business and we'd have had no excitement or potential excitiment for the past couple years at all?

Because I disagree completely.

The Wlad Haye rivalry has been the only fun thing in the heavyweight division for the past few years. It generated interested and you seem to be wishing it had never happened now becuase Wlad dominated in the fight?

That's silly.

Haye talked a great fight, he fought a disappointing one, but one that was realistic considering the disparity in size and skill.

He's at least given us plenty to talk about the last three years or so so I don't see how it's been bad for boxing.

If you are disappointed he didn't put up a better effort, then imagine how he feels.

Then I'll put it this way:

For all the shit Haye talked for years BEFORE the fight, his effort was less than spectacular, let's put it that way. He built up the fight by insulting the Klits and talking more than trash than the city dump. He single-handedly got people interested in a HW fight for the first time in years.

And then he delivered nothing. Rounds with one punch thrown....... shameful diving and dozens of looks at the referee, as if it were Wlad's fault. Lame excuses about toes, when real fighters have fought with broken hands and bum legs.

If you're going to talk the talk, you'd damn better walk the walk. ESPECIALLY when you've dragged a whole fan base with you, and spent years building the event. You don't seem to understand that a good effort, regardless of the outcome, would have generated at least a bit of respect for Haye. But as well put by one of your countrymen: He fought like a pussy.

Now...... what is it about my point you do not understand.

?

Although I cannot excuse Haye's falling to the ground,
I would like to point out sir, that Wlad was quite comfortable fighting for a win on points.
So if fighting cautiously is equal to fighting like a pussy, what does that mean for Wlad?
Oh, Im sorry. Of course it's only fighting like a pussy if you lose on points without going for the KO.

And may I add that there is no rule stating that a fighter must use the tactic they claimed they would while talking trash.

[OumaFan]

It was shit. Shocker.

Both guys fought shit scared for 11 rounds (Haye more so than Wlad but that's not saying much), Haye showed a little life in the 12th but even then Wlad outmanned him. Dreadful stuff from Haye.

Also the flopping was awful, because at first it looked like a ref had finally manned up and refused to put up with Wlad's bullshit. But then Haye decided to go into gigantic bitch mode which made a farce of the whole thing.

I should have stuck with my rule of watching no heavyweight fights. The two I've watched in the last year or so were Odlanier Solis vs Ray Austin and this one and they were both soul crushing. I should have put on the Style channel.

[Pavlik]

I don't really see the point you are making. Wlad beat Haye because he simply too big, too good and the better fighter. I don't think Haye could have done anything different in all honesty.

Would you have preferred that there had been no hype? No intense rivalry for the past few years? No massive fight that got everybody talking?

You would have rather Haye would have quietly gone about his business and we'd have had no excitement or potential excitiment for the past couple years at all?

Because I disagree completely.

The Wlad Haye rivalry has been the only fun thing in the heavyweight division for the past few years. It generated interested and you seem to be wishing it had never happened now becuase Wlad dominated in the fight?

That's silly.

Haye talked a great fight, he fought a disappointing one, but one that was realistic considering the disparity in size and skill.

He's at least given us plenty to talk about the last three years or so so I don't see how it's been bad for boxing.

If you are disappointed he didn't put up a better effort, then imagine how he feels.

Then I'll put it this way:

For all the shit Haye talked for years BEFORE the fight, his effort was less than spectacular, let's put it that way. He built up the fight by insulting the Klits and talking more than trash than the city dump. He single-handedly got people interested in a HW fight for the first time in years.

And then he delivered nothing. Rounds with one punch thrown....... shameful diving and dozens of looks at the referee, as if it were Wlad's fault. Lame excuses about toes, when real fighters have fought with broken hands and bum legs.

If you're going to talk the talk, you'd damn better walk the walk. ESPECIALLY when you've dragged a whole fan base with you, and spent years building the event. You don't seem to understand that a good effort, regardless of the outcome, would have generated at least a bit of respect for Haye. But as well put by one of your countrymen: He fought like a pussy.

Now...... what is it about my point you do not understand.

?

Exactly!!! That's why I actually respect Ricky Hatton more with his courageous efforts vs PBF and PAC despite being sparked out. At least he actually tried tried to win, Haye is a fucking shame.

[Kev]

I don't really see the point you are making. Wlad beat Haye because he simply too big, too good and the better fighter. I don't think Haye could have done anything different in all honesty.

Would you have preferred that there had been no hype? No intense rivalry for the past few years? No massive fight that got everybody talking?

You would have rather Haye would have quietly gone about his business and we'd have had no excitement or potential excitiment for the past couple years at all?

Because I disagree completely.

The Wlad Haye rivalry has been the only fun thing in the heavyweight division for the past few years. It generated interested and you seem to be wishing it had never happened now becuase Wlad dominated in the fight?

That's silly.

Haye talked a great fight, he fought a disappointing one, but one that was realistic considering the disparity in size and skill.

He's at least given us plenty to talk about the last three years or so so I don't see how it's been bad for boxing.

If you are disappointed he didn't put up a better effort, then imagine how he feels.

Then I'll put it this way:

For all the shit Haye talked for years BEFORE the fight, his effort was less than spectacular, let's put it that way. He built up the fight by insulting the Klits and talking more than trash than the city dump. He single-handedly got people interested in a HW fight for the first time in years.

And then he delivered nothing. Rounds with one punch thrown....... shameful diving and dozens of looks at the referee, as if it were Wlad's fault. Lame excuses about toes, when real fighters have fought with broken hands and bum legs.

If you're going to talk the talk, you'd damn better walk the walk. ESPECIALLY when you've dragged a whole fan base with you, and spent years building the event. You don't seem to understand that a good effort, regardless of the outcome, would have generated at least a bit of respect for Haye. But as well put by one of your countrymen: He fought like a pussy.

Now...... what is it about my point you do not understand.

?

Exactly!!! That's why I actually respect Ricky Hatton more with his courageous efforts vs PBF and PAC despite being sparked out. At least he actually tried tried to win, Haye is a fucking shame.

I didn't see Hatton do anything more offensively than Haye did The only difference is he suffered two admittedly hilarious and entertaining knockouts, the first where he ko'd himself into the ring post, and the second where he was sprawled out flat on his back in true comedic style.

Upto that point what was he doing to make the fights entertaining other than getting his ass kicked though?

[captainanddew]

Haye attempted 290 punches. 290 punches over 12 rounds. That is it. He never upped the attack to a satisfactorily level to try to win.

Don't get me wrong, he wanted to win. But he was only willing to try to land a hail mary shot here and there to do it.

I have watched the fight multiple times and Haye had a moment of truth after round 4. He had just won round 3 and round 4 was even (with people scoring the fight scoring it for either guy). He could have tried to take it up a notch, but he didn't. Why? Wlad landed a couple of good right hands in round 5 and Haye wasn't willing to stand up to those to try to win the fight.

Haye reminds me of almost all guys that fight Wlad. When Wlad lands the right hand with something on it, as he did in round 4 and 5, then they are more than content to move and not get hit with the right hand (allowing themselves to be jabbed only).

I have more respect for a fighter like Tony Thompson who won a couple of rounds, but got dominated as the fight progressed. He continued to try to win the fight(and didn't play keep away like most of Wlad's opponents) but didn't have the skills to do so. He made Wlad work and got KO'd.