An explation as to why two big boxing names never met

[TitoFan]

I always wondered why this fight never happened.
Well..... I guess I got my answer.
Too bad.... would've been good for boxing.

[BIG H]

That's all opinion.

My opinion is that in the late 90s JMM was not a big draw and that there were bigger fish to fry. He had fought one 'named' opponent and lost. Yeh he would probably have beaten Hamed and yeh he would go on to become a Hall of Famer, but at that time, he was just another fighter. Hamed had retired before JMM won his first world belt

[Fenster]

What's even more puzzling is when Marquez was finally offered a huge career high payday he wouldn't go near The Naz.

Even HBO were dumbfounded.

[Gypsy warrior]

Naz in his prime would knock out jmm he was the man

[Althugz]

JMM would have handled Hamed with ease. Hamed got found out when he came up against his first elite opponent and quit. I like cocky fighters and he was good for the sport..but you gotta be able to back it up.

2 years as a mandatory? You're telling me he wasn't ducking JMM because there were bigger fish to fry? Who did he fight before Barerra that had any drawing power?

[Fenster]

Naz was the draw.

Although for the record be beat the WBO, WBC, IBF, WBA/lineal featherweight champions. Guys with "world" titles, and unification matches, certainly bring more to the table than complete unknown mandatories.

As Big H said - Naz retired BEFORE Marquez had even won his first belt (Marquez actually cited his lack of a title as a reason for turning down the Naz fight when offered).

You have to understand that back then Naz was a much bigger draw than even Floyd Mayweather. Floyd's HBO deal paid around a quarter of what Naz was getting ($2m guarantee per fight).

[El Kabong]

Naz symbolizes what is wrong with British boxing....he's all flash and when he got his shit handed to him what did he do? Did he try to prove himself? Did he try to get better? Nope he took his ball and went home like a little punk.....a certain heavyweight has copied this career strategy but another classless dope baited him into fighting again.

The reason many people were put off by Calzaghe? He had a bit too much Naz in his style.

I don't mean to disrespect Calzaghe and I'm not denying Naz's talent I just think that when you let your talent do the talking you get more respect. It's great that guys like Hatton, Froch, Cleverly, Price, & Fury are turning things around for England....those guys are a lot more likeable than Naz who although entertaining was a Chav and everybody hates those bastards.

[Fenster]

Naz symbolizes what is wrong with British boxing....he's all flash and when he got his shit handed to him what did he do? Did he try to prove himself? Did he try to get better? Nope he took his ball and went home like a little punk.....a certain heavyweight has copied this career strategy but another classless dope baited him into fighting again.

The reason many people were put off by Calzaghe? He had a bit too much Naz in his style.

I don't mean to disrespect Calzaghe and I'm not denying Naz's talent I just think that when you let your talent do the talking you get more respect. It's great that guys like Hatton, Froch, Cleverly, Price, & Fury are turning things around for England....those guys are a lot more likeable than Naz who although entertaining was a Chav and everybody hates those bastards.

You've just slightly contradicted yourself here.

Naz symbolizes what is wrong with British boxing.. then you list a load of Brits that are nothing like him.

Have another try?

[El Kabong]

Naz symbolizes what is wrong with British boxing....he's all flash and when he got his shit handed to him what did he do? Did he try to prove himself? Did he try to get better? Nope he took his ball and went home like a little punk.....a certain heavyweight has copied this career strategy but another classless dope baited him into fighting again.

The reason many people were put off by Calzaghe? He had a bit too much Naz in his style.

I don't mean to disrespect Calzaghe and I'm not denying Naz's talent I just think that when you let your talent do the talking you get more respect. It's great that guys like Hatton, Froch, Cleverly, Price, & Fury are turning things around for England....those guys are a lot more likeable than Naz who although entertaining was a Chav and everybody hates those bastards.

You've just slightly contradicted yourself here.

Naz symbolizes what is wrong with British boxing.. then you list a load of Brits that are nothing like him.

Have another try?

I listed fighters who weren't like Naz to show they are doing well without acting like tools....unlike say David Haye and DerriCk (with a fucking C) Chisora.....who spells Derrick with a C? No wonder that kid acts like a dope

[Althugz]

Naz symbolizes what is wrong with British boxing....he's all flash and when he got his shit handed to him what did he do? Did he try to prove himself? Did he try to get better? Nope he took his ball and went home like a little punk.....a certain heavyweight has copied this career strategy but another classless dope baited him into fighting again.

The reason many people were put off by Calzaghe? He had a bit too much Naz in his style.

I don't mean to disrespect Calzaghe and I'm not denying Naz's talent I just think that when you let your talent do the talking you get more respect. It's great that guys like Hatton, Froch, Cleverly, Price, & Fury are turning things around for England....those guys are a lot more likeable than Naz who although entertaining was a Chav and everybody hates those bastards.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Spot on

[Fenster]

@TitoFan

You have got very confused by the writers point. He believes it's a misconception that Naz was "humiliated" against Barrera. Here is what he said - "The history of the 2001 fight between ‘Prince’ Naseem Hamed and Marco Antonio Barrera has been re-written. A dominant performance by Barrera, in a competitive fight that two judges scored 115-112, has been rewritten as schooling; an embarrassing and uncompetitive boxing lesson for Hamed.The historical reality of that fight is somewhat different to its current perception."

The writer lists numerous factors why Naz retired. "Humiliation" is not one of them.

Thanks for that article though. The writer makes points that Fenster, Big H, Saddo and numerous other Saddo posters have made many times.

There is nothing wrong with believing that Naz would duck Marquez. However, when confronted with evidence to the contrary it is very foolish to continue with this line of thinking.

[TitoFan]

I always wondered why this fight never happened.
Well..... I guess I got my answer.
Too bad.... would've been good for boxing.

Just thought I'd paste the original post, since we seem to drift off the truth and into outrageous speculation as a thread moves along.

[Fenster]

I always wondered why this fight never happened.
Well..... I guess I got my answer.
Too bad.... would've been good for boxing.

Just thought I'd paste the original post, since we seem to drift off the truth and into outrageous speculation as a thread moves along.

Here is definitive proof straight from the paymasters mouth.



Fact.

[TitoFan]

I always wondered why this fight never happened.
Well..... I guess I got my answer.
Too bad.... would've been good for boxing.

Just thought I'd paste the original post, since we seem to drift off the truth and into outrageous speculation as a thread moves along.

Here is definitive proof straight from the paymasters mouth.



Fact.

Here's a nice little article about why Hamed retired.


Naseem Hamed: Why did the ‘Prince’ Retire?


By the way, I'm on your side. I'm trying to argue Hamed's case. If you'll notice, this article was written by someone sympathetic to the Prince. And he proceeds to make a good case. The question being: "Why did Hamed retire when he did?" He had just been throroughly beaten, exposed, and humiliated by Barrera... then had one fight a year later, and inexplicably retired. The rationale being that Hamed did not want to risk further humiliation after being exposed. But in summary, some of Potter's points:

1. Hamed's troubles and split from both Frank Warren and his longtime trainer and mentor, Brendan Ingle.

2. The whole 9/11 thing. You know... with Hamed being a Muslim and all. Another psychological log on the emotional fireplace.

3. HBO and Adidas lost their faith in Hamed. Oh my God... how much can a man bear?

4. Finally... the kicker. Hamed had already earned SO MUCH money. Why would he need more? I mean... so what if you've just gotten exposed and embarrassed in front of millions of people. You've already made enough money to get fat on. What's the point on continuing?


Such an ironclad case. I'm telling you... this Potter character certainly changed MY mind about Prince Naseem, I'll tell you that. The nerve of anyone who would insinuate that the Prince would avoid someone like Juan Manuel Marquez.

I think one of your own countrymen said it best in another thread: I mean, it's not like Hamed was completely humiliated by the ONLY elite Mexican fighter he's ever met. What could Hamed possible expect out of a fight against JMM? If you ask me, I think he got out just in time.