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    Quote Originally Posted by VictorCharlie View Post
    My issue is that race is always a big issue in the US. We talk all the time about improving race relations but only as it affects minorities. There is a tremendous double standard about what is racist and what isn't and it bothers me. Discrimination may still largely be a one way street but racism is a full blown super highway.
    I couldn't agree with you more Charlie. The thing is, it would be easy for me to obsess over race issues, but 'personally' i've got better things to do with my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
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    The term in the US is specific to white people and therefore racist.
    I can somewhat agree with this, but I don't think most white Americans are all that offended when they're called a hick, hillbilly or a redneck, being called white/trailer trash for example is much more offensive, and is definitely racist. I still don't think it's as "racist" as a black person being called a "nigger", that's probably the king of all racial slurs.

    BTW, most of the rednecks I know are pretty nice guys, and i'm a bit of a redneck myself.

    Questions for you @Mars_ax or anyone else.

    How many white farmers do you know that go around calling other farmers redneck / hillbilly / white trash?

    How many middle to upper class white city people have you heard use these terms?

    How about the rich and super rich?


    Also, is racist if a black man calls another black man "nigger"? Or only if a white person says it?
    I'm not sure what your point is here @Ghost. Redneck, hillbilly, white trash are terms that have probably been used at times by all classes of "white" people here in the States, some more then others.
    F.W.I.W. - I've heard blacks calling other blacks "nigger" fairly often, it's not persay racist, it's just the way they talk among themselves sometimes. Example: An older black man in his late 70's was telling me a story the other day about how his wife of 30 years ran off with a "nigger" (and all his money). He got pretty worked up about it and I think he forgot for a minute that I was white, and apologized. I told him no apology needed, I understood where he was coming from.

    So generally speaking i'd say that it's only "racist" if a white person is saying it. I mean think about it, how can it be "racist" if a black is saying it about another black?

    I hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars_ax View Post
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    The term in the US is specific to white people and therefore racist.
    I can somewhat agree with this, but I don't think most white Americans are all that offended when they're called a hick, hillbilly or a redneck, being called white/trailer trash for example is much more offensive, and is definitely racist. I still don't think it's as "racist" as a black person being called a "nigger", that's probably the king of all racial slurs.

    BTW, most of the rednecks I know are pretty nice guys, and i'm a bit of a redneck myself.

    Questions for you @Mars_ax or anyone else.

    How many white farmers do you know that go around calling other farmers redneck / hillbilly / white trash?

    How many middle to upper class white city people have you heard use these terms?

    How about the rich and super rich?


    Also, is racist if a black man calls another black man "nigger"? Or only if a white person says it?
    I'm not sure what your point is here @Ghost . Redneck, hillbilly, white trash are terms that have probably been used at times by all classes of "white" people here in the States, some more then others.
    F.W.I.W. - I've heard blacks calling other blacks "nigger" fairly often, it's not persay racist, it's just the way they talk among themselves sometimes. Example: An older black man in his late 70's was telling me a story the other day about how his wife of 30 years ran off with a "nigger" (and all his money). He got pretty worked up about it and I think he forgot for a minute that I was white, and apologized. I told him no apology needed, I understood where he was coming from.

    So generally speaking i'd say that it's only "racist" if a white person is saying it. I mean think about it, how can it be "racist" if a black is saying it about another black?

    I hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dia bando View Post
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    Yes the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish are fiercely patriotic and would rightly be offended as being described as English. Just as you are proud to be a Texan but also American, but would probably not liked to be refered to as Californian but times a hundred in the case of the Welsh and Northern Irish and times a million for the Scottish.


    As an Englishman I totally agree with and understand their inferiority complex.:-P
    I doubt if anyone would confuse me with being from California, but since i'm from Texas, which is part of the Southern U.S. I might take exception at being called a "Yankee" (someone from the North or North-East U.S.
    I can understand the Northern Irish taking exception to being called English/British, but I never realized someone from Wales or Scotland would.

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    Yes Mars, I'm Welsh but when we go to War we are all British, and we fight and stick together, then after we call each other names.

    I agree ! As Scot I find itfunny we can battle together through wars but then go back to disliking each other. I can easily clasee mysef as British as together we have some great history. We all have individual history that makes each countey special so rightfully we are all proud of our individual indentities.

    Scots are known as Jocks to some, when I worked in London the lads at work gave me the name Jockney as joke beacause they liked me and aceppted me as an honourary Cockney !

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    What I have found, on my travels up and down this Country, working class people are very much the same, same type of values out look. It's about the person not about were you a from.

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    One of my best friends is Scottish. I believe it is all the same, but he dislikes England. I don't mind. I think we are all together, but if others see it differently then that is just perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    One of my best friends is Scottish. I believe it is all the same, but he dislikes England. I don't mind. I think we are all together, but if others see it differently then that is just perspective.
    I have the opposite I have a work colleague who is English and despises all things Scottish including Andy Murray. She will never forgive him for saying that he wants anyone to win except England. She wants the Scots to be independent so that they can take their MP’s out of parliament and wants them to pay for student tuition and car park fees which are things that they allow their population at our expense.
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    Interesting debate on what constitutes a prejudiced word....hillbilly and redneck can clearly touch a nerve. Not sure if you've followed the news in Britain, but the use of the word 'Pleb' by one of the government ministers while ranting at a cop has flared another interesting debate. Personally, I detest the posh boys as much as they seem to detest folk like me, but if it comes to a fight there's more of us than them.

    However, back to the original question. I am Welsh, loud, proud and have occasionally been known to wield an inflatable sheep. I wouldn't be offended if someone said I was English or British, my accent is fairly neutral so it could be a fairly easy mistake to make. I don't feel British, but I get on with English people as well as I do with the Irish or the Scots.

    Apart from during the six nations. For around 2 hours when Wales play England, I despise each and every one of the English and their dull brand of rugby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superheavyrhun View Post
    Interesting debate on what constitutes a prejudiced word....hillbilly and redneck can clearly touch a nerve. Not sure if you've followed the news in Britain, but the use of the word 'Pleb' by one of the government ministers while ranting at a cop has flared another interesting debate. Personally, I detest the posh boys as much as they seem to detest folk like me, but if it comes to a fight there's more of us than them.

    However, back to the original question. I am Welsh, loud, proud and have occasionally been known to wield an inflatable sheep. I wouldn't be offended if someone said I was English or British, my accent is fairly neutral so it could be a fairly easy mistake to make. I don't feel British, but I get on with English people as well as I do with the Irish or the Scots.

    Apart from during the six nations. For around 2 hours when Wales play England, I despise each and every one of the English and their dull brand of rugby.
    Sheep shaggier it may hit a raw nerve, but that's if they catch you.

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