Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread

[Mars_ax]

Man, Saturday can't get here quick enough, this should be fucking war, the legend's son, Julio Jr, against the old lion Sergio Martinez, for all the marbles. This is one us hardcore fans have been waiting for.

Sept. 15th.
At Las Vegas (HBO PPV): Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., 12 rounds, for Martinez's Ring magazine and Chavez's WBC middleweight title; Rocky Martinez vs. Miguel Beltran, 12 rounds, for vacant WBO junior lightweight title; Matthew Macklin vs. Joachim Alcine, 10 rounds, middleweights.

Is Jr. ready for Martinez, or will he get schooled, and then knocked out? -or- Will the much younger, bigger Chavez Jr surprise everyone including Sergio, come up big and win a clearcut decision. (I don't see Jr knocking Sergio out as a possibility)

I'm leaning towards Sergio stopping Chavez Jr. in one of the later rounds. If it's a close fight that goes to a decision, Chavez Jr. will get the nod, and there's a good chance that even if Martinez dominates the action, he'll still take a royal fucking on the scorecards.

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Who you kats got?

[IamInuit]

Jr. is making twice as much as Martinez. Hilarious.

[fan johnny]

Jr. is making twice as much as Martinez. Hilarious.

Yea I ready Martinez signed a 70/30. At thomas mack expect the gate to be more than 5 million. Could have been 10 million or more if the venue was at the MGM.

[Onix]

Boxing as a sport is crazy enough that you never know what is going to happen, at any one moment even after being beaten up for 9 rounds a fighter can come back with one punch and change the fight in an instance and its a rude awakening for the guy that gets cracked, ask Mike Jones; then add the contrversy of bought judges, PED's, and dieuretics and you really never know what the outcome will be.

Chavez is bigger, stronger, taller, and has one of the best hooks to the body since Cotto in his earlier days. Martinez is quicker, sharper with his punches, and has more over all boxing ability. Thats really as far as i want to go with it, I really would like to just let it play out and see what happens. The chance that I see Chavez having is that Martinez is going to want to knock Chavez out so he is going to be in the pocket alot more throwing everything he's got at Chavez who does have a durable chin. While Martinez is attacking the head, Chavez will have a chance to attack to the body and slow the older man down. Martinez has been knocked down in several fights so I dont think its out of this world to think that Chavez can get a knockdown at some point in the fight.

Martinez obviously has to keep away but I think his anger wont let him, he is going to want to knockout Jr. to make sure he doesnt get screwed by the judges and because I think he is alot more emotional about this fight then previous ones and at some point he is really going to want to hurt Chavez and that is where Chavez will either rise to the occasion and throw to the body or he wont, either way we see what he's made of on Saturday.

So I see it as a 65-35 fight in favor of Martinez but with some subplots (age, last few perfomances on both sides, fighter focus) that could make this the fight of the year. There are too many suspicious things in Chavez's background for me to really root for him whole-heartedly but I hope that if he pulls this off that he does it cleanly and with zero controversy...unfortunately I dont think thats going to happen.

Chavez Jr.’s Weight Conflict– Certifying Physician is Chavez Employee, “Furosemide Doctor” | theboxingtribune.com

[Mars_ax]

Boxing as a sport is crazy enough that you never know what is going to happen, at any one moment even after being beaten up for 9 rounds a fighter can come back with one punch and change the fight in an instance and its a rude awakening for the guy that gets cracked, ask Mike Jones; then add the contrversy of bought judges, PED's, and dieuretics and you really never know what the outcome will be.

Chavez is bigger, stronger, taller, and has one of the best hooks to the body since Cotto in his earlier days. Martinez is quicker, sharper with his punches, and has more over all boxing ability. Thats really as far as i want to go with it, I really would like to just let it play out and see what happens. The chance that I see Chavez having is that Martinez is going to want to knock Chavez out so he is going to be in the pocket alot more throwing everything he's got at Chavez who does have a durable chin. While Martinez is attacking the head, Chavez will have a chance to attack to the body and slow the older man down. Martinez has been knocked down in several fights so I dont think its out of this world to think that Chavez can get a knockdown at some point in the fight.

Martinez obviously has to keep away but I think his anger wont let him, he is going to want to knockout Jr. to make sure he doesnt get screwed by the judges and because I think he is alot more emotional about this fight then previous ones and at some point he is really going to want to hurt Chavez and that is where Chavez will either rise to the occasion and throw to the body or he wont, either way we see what he's made of on Saturday.

So I see it as a 65-35 fight in favor of Martinez but with some subplots (age, last few perfomances on both sides, fighter focus) that could make this the fight of the year. There are too many suspicious things in Chavez's background for me to really root for him whole-heartedly but I hope that if he pulls this off that he does it cleanly and with zero controversy...unfortunately I dont think thats going to happen.

Chavez Jr.’s Weight Conflict– Certifying Physician is Chavez Employee, “Furosemide Doctor” | theboxingtribune.com

Good post Onix, funny how Jr. went from being a skinny little kid, to walking around as a muscular Light-heavyweight. I'd really like to see this fight so I hope Chavez Jr. doesn't test positive for anything banned prior to the fight or spoil the fight by not coming in @ the middleweight limit of 160 on friday at the weigh-in. To be honest, I don't see Jr. having a chance against Martinez without using PEDs or coming in @ the weigh-in over the 160 limit.

[ruthless rocco]

has anyone looked into the betting odds? the bookies have it a very close fight.

some have martinez up, others have chavez up...

[Mars_ax]

has anyone looked into the betting odds? the bookies have it a very close fight.

some have martinez up, others have chavez up...

Last time I checked Martinez was still the betting favorite, but that will continue to narrow as a lot of money will be bet on Jr.

[donnydarkoIRL]

11/4 Martinez by TKO/KO. Hmm...

[DavilaJones]

If I may ask a question, how many of you have given Chavez a far larger benefit of the doubt after his Andy Lee fight?

[Fenster]

It shows how pathetic boxing is when everyone thinks the champion can't get a fair decision and the other guy is juiced to his eyeballs.

Ignoring all the shady stuff that surrounds Jr... His form really isn't that impressive. Yeah he's improved a lot but he's never been anywhere near someone with Martinez class. Who is the best fighter he's faced?Zbik, Rubio, Lee? Martinez would wipe the floor with these guys. Barker and Macklin would beat these guys.

Martinez KO 9

[Fenster]

What bookies have Jr as the favourtie? That is insane. Martinez is a best priced 4/7 fav with British bookies, Jr 15/8

[Mars_ax]

It shows how pathetic boxing is when everyone thinks the champion can't get a fair decision and the other guy is juiced to his eyeballs.

Ignoring all the shady stuff that surrounds Jr... His form really isn't that impressive. Yeah he's improved a lot but he's never been anywhere near someone with Martinez class. Who is the best fighter he's faced?Zbik, Rubio, Lee? Martinez would wipe the floor with these guys. Barker and Macklin would beat these guys.

Martinez KO 9

And of course, HBO has a vested interest in Jr. winning, so they'll be all over Jr's nuts, I may as well just mute the sound before the fight starts or watch the fight on a Brit stream. (it's a PPV on HBO)

Do you know what the odds are for this fight @Fenster?

Never mind bro, just saw your post.

[zhubin]

It shows how pathetic boxing is when everyone thinks the champion can't get a fair decision and the other guy is juiced to his eyeballs.

Ignoring all the shady stuff that surrounds Jr... His form really isn't that impressive. Yeah he's improved a lot but he's never been anywhere near someone with Martinez class. Who is the best fighter he's faced?Zbik, Rubio, Lee? Martinez would wipe the floor with these guys. Barker and Macklin would beat these guys.

Martinez KO 9

Well said. BUT...the very likelihood that Chavez is juiced and will have the judges/HBO clearly on his side, makes me feel Martinez almost has to win by KO. That is a lot of pressure. Hope he pulls it off, but i have a nagging feeling he will either get worn down or get robbed.

[armin]

It shows how pathetic boxing is when everyone thinks the champion can't get a fair decision and the other guy is juiced to his eyeballs.

Ignoring all the shady stuff that surrounds Jr... His form really isn't that impressive. Yeah he's improved a lot but he's never been anywhere near someone with Martinez class. Who is the best fighter he's faced?Zbik, Rubio, Lee? Martinez would wipe the floor with these guys. Barker and Macklin would beat these guys.

Martinez KO 9

Well said. BUT...the very likelihood that Chavez is juiced and will have the judges/HBO clearly on his side, makes me feel Martinez almost has to win by KO. That is a lot of pressure. Hope he pulls it off, but i have a nagging feeling he will either get worn down or get robbed.

The closer this fight gets the more a victory for segio is the only outcome I can see....martinez battered pavlik, in albeit a close fight but I think that pavlik was better and hit harder than chavez...if andy lee can outbox ya over seven, then can sergio and he's not gassing. Hell junior wasn't able to ko zbik, and sturm isn't exactly a power punchin machine and made him quit after ten...if it wasn't for the name and juniors insane size I think people would laugh at this matchup....I mean what has junior actually done But yeah everything is going to favor chavez so I can certainly see an outright robber

[GOAT]

The sheer fact Chavez being mexican is some big advantage.