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    Default Re: Romney vs. BO - Saddo's kids race mongering thread

    If I'm going to drink a light American lager I usually just get Lone Star. If I had to choose between the Miller/Coors/Bud trifecta I'd go with Miller. Generally I prefer a dark beer of some variety.
    Most bad government has grown out of too much government. Thomas Jefferson

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    Not an everyday beer for me but I'll drink a Labatt Blue from time to time. I used to get shitty on Molson Ice a decade ago.
    Bleh, hangover city right there. There's very little redeeming about Canadians....if hot chicks and the occasional hilarious comic didn't come from there I'd just assume destroy that place or ship all of our liberals there....or you know...both


    Well.... they DO have good taste in U.S. Presidential candidates.


    Harris/Decima - Obama Remains Extremely Popular in Canada
    ....says who? You don't have to deal with him you live in fucking Canada


    I do??
    Oh, my fault....all you "pro-Obama" guys look alike...that sound racist enough for you? I mean I don't want to disappoint this image you have of me.


    LOL... I don't think of you as racist.
    I think of you as an inflexible extremist blowhard.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VictorCharlie View Post
    If I'm going to drink a light American lager I usually just get Lone Star. If I had to choose between the Miller/Coors/Bud trifecta I'd go with Miller. Generally I prefer a dark beer of some variety.

    I'm a dark beer man myself.
    But of the run-of-the-mill beers, I'd rather have a Miller, Coors, Michelob, or (insert other name here) than a Bud. Can't get past the taste of Bud.

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    What's "extremist" about my views?

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    Now that we are reduced to talking about beer choices, the topic equivalent to "Sooo, how bout that weather?", curious to get your thoughts VC on the Petraeus scandal. And the other general dude just got brought into the light.

    Obv some people are going full conspiritard on it. News is gonna news be it Msnbc or Fox, and nutters nutter. Kinda wondering where military people stand on it. Is there a general consensus (lol pun), or divide among military people's opinions?

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    Military folk can get defensive and lose objectivity but with issues of integrity inside our own ranks we don't tolerate it much. Most people feel that Petraeus and any other GO found screwing around should be hung out to dry and made an example of. I'm not hearing any conspiracy stories. Just powerful men making dumb decisions.
    Most bad government has grown out of too much government. Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Jon Stewart Takes Down Fox and Their 'Chaos on Bulls#%t Mountain' Defense of Romney | Video Cafe


    This is an earlier funnier one. Watch both parts.

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    Kirk,

    Why do you feel it necessary to provide me a history lesson on my own country much less my own state? Do you really think I'm not well versed on these topics? Anyway all those issues can be on the table w/o a revolt if they are appropriately messaged. The base is about winning more than anything else. I think Obama's victory is evident of that considering how little difference he has shown from Bush. Give the platforms subtle changes to the dialogue and the base will still Rah Rah Sisk Boom Bah as usual. The GOP of 2012 is different than the GOP 2000 and the GOP of 2016 can be different as well if the power brokers have enough vision and nuts. It make little difference to me personally b/c the end result of Dem/GOP leadership is the same.
    Last week you were saying that the GOP wasn't conservative enough and were saying that a guy like Ron Paul who has a hardline immigration policy could win a national election. Now you're saying that the GOP has to become more moderate to win and that people who last week weren't voting GOP because the GOP isn't conservative enough are now going to vote GOP en masse after they become even less conservative.
    Sometimes your reading comprehension is appallingly bad. Surely you can differentiate between conservative and libertarian. The Libertarian stance on immigration is open borders which would be more liberal using current vernacular not more conservative. Our previous discussion was specific to spending/taxes/entitlements. On those issues I do believe a more libertarian GOP candidate would be beneficial on social issues the GOP isn't going to go full libertarian but needs to tone down the religious rhetoric and message them better. The GOP has not always been so draconian on immigration (Bush/Reagan examples already mentioned) and yes they need to change this. I believe this could change it w/o a full blown party revolt.
    Ron Paul's immigration policy is to seal the border and not have any amnesty. And last week you were saying that Romney looked like he was going to lose because he wasn't conservative enough. Now you're saying that the next candidate can win more votes by being even more moderate than Romney was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
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    Seeing as it'll become common knowledge in the next couple of weeks, I might as well pass on some actual insider information about how the fiscal cliff thing is going to go. Over the weekend various Obama Treasury people have gone to Wall Street and met with money industry people and filled them in on what's going to happen with the fiscal cliff. Apparently once negotiations with the GOP get under way Obama is going to announce that he's going to increase taxes for the top 1% only, keep current spending unchanged and add additional spending -- a new stimulus -- of about five hundred billion dollars a year for the next two years and up around a trillion dollars a year for the last two years of his presidency.

    Some of this stimulus will be in the form of a tax cut but will go to low/middle income earners in the form of a payroll tax cut to get the GOP on board but the vast majority of the stimulus money will be spent to replace old bridges, roads, schools and similar infrastructure and also to build a national electric power grid fit for the twenty first century. Obama is going to tour the country to sell the plan to the American people, he's going to hold televised town hall meetings in most states, particularly the ones that just voted for Romney, and explain what he wants to do. All of these meetings will be televised statewide and some will be televised nationwide.
    .....so like the FIRST stimulus, the one with the "shovel ready jobs" and what not but only this time WE'RE SERIOUS

    This time he's going to spend a decent amount of money. What he spent last time didn't even cover the amount of spending cuts the states made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
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    Maybe Hispanics and African-Americans like the Democrats because the Democrats don't call them useless/illegal/lazy moochers/welfare cases etc etc and attack and denigrate them to get votes. Maybe that's it.
    Democrats only call on them to keep them in power and in thanks they keep those minorities poor and dumb and dependent on the government.
    Those minorities don't seem to think so. It was the Democrats who forced through the civil rights bills, right?


    Here's a former Bush administration Hispanic guy saying the GOP has to be less scary to Hispanics by doing things like getting rid of English as the official language of the US government :

    Former Bush Commerce Secretary: Republicans 'Scaring the Heck Out of' Hispanics | Video Cafe

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    So the Republicans should just become Democrats and we can go from 2 parties to one? Or would you rather everyone take a huge leap to the left and have the Socialists run against the Democrats? I mean you care because you live here right??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
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    Kirk,

    Why do you feel it necessary to provide me a history lesson on my own country much less my own state? Do you really think I'm not well versed on these topics? Anyway all those issues can be on the table w/o a revolt if they are appropriately messaged. The base is about winning more than anything else. I think Obama's victory is evident of that considering how little difference he has shown from Bush. Give the platforms subtle changes to the dialogue and the base will still Rah Rah Sisk Boom Bah as usual. The GOP of 2012 is different than the GOP 2000 and the GOP of 2016 can be different as well if the power brokers have enough vision and nuts. It make little difference to me personally b/c the end result of Dem/GOP leadership is the same.
    Last week you were saying that the GOP wasn't conservative enough and were saying that a guy like Ron Paul who has a hardline immigration policy could win a national election. Now you're saying that the GOP has to become more moderate to win and that people who last week weren't voting GOP because the GOP isn't conservative enough are now going to vote GOP en masse after they become even less conservative.
    Sometimes your reading comprehension is appallingly bad. Surely you can differentiate between conservative and libertarian. The Libertarian stance on immigration is open borders which would be more liberal using current vernacular not more conservative. Our previous discussion was specific to spending/taxes/entitlements. On those issues I do believe a more libertarian GOP candidate would be beneficial on social issues the GOP isn't going to go full libertarian but needs to tone down the religious rhetoric and message them better. The GOP has not always been so draconian on immigration (Bush/Reagan examples already mentioned) and yes they need to change this. I believe this could change it w/o a full blown party revolt.
    Ron Paul's immigration policy is to seal the border and not have any amnesty. And last week you were saying that Romney looked like he was going to lose because he wasn't conservative enough. Now you're saying that the next candidate can win more votes by being even more moderate than Romney was.
    Other than your first sentence none of this is what I was saying much less true and neither this nor your previous post really addressed anything I posted previously.
    Most bad government has grown out of too much government. Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by VictorCharlie View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VictorCharlie View Post
    Kirk,

    Why do you feel it necessary to provide me a history lesson on my own country much less my own state? Do you really think I'm not well versed on these topics? Anyway all those issues can be on the table w/o a revolt if they are appropriately messaged. The base is about winning more than anything else. I think Obama's victory is evident of that considering how little difference he has shown from Bush. Give the platforms subtle changes to the dialogue and the base will still Rah Rah Sisk Boom Bah as usual. The GOP of 2012 is different than the GOP 2000 and the GOP of 2016 can be different as well if the power brokers have enough vision and nuts. It make little difference to me personally b/c the end result of Dem/GOP leadership is the same.
    Last week you were saying that the GOP wasn't conservative enough and were saying that a guy like Ron Paul who has a hardline immigration policy could win a national election. Now you're saying that the GOP has to become more moderate to win and that people who last week weren't voting GOP because the GOP isn't conservative enough are now going to vote GOP en masse after they become even less conservative.
    Sometimes your reading comprehension is appallingly bad. Surely you can differentiate between conservative and libertarian. The Libertarian stance on immigration is open borders which would be more liberal using current vernacular not more conservative. Our previous discussion was specific to spending/taxes/entitlements. On those issues I do believe a more libertarian GOP candidate would be beneficial on social issues the GOP isn't going to go full libertarian but needs to tone down the religious rhetoric and message them better. The GOP has not always been so draconian on immigration (Bush/Reagan examples already mentioned) and yes they need to change this. I believe this could change it w/o a full blown party revolt.
    Ron Paul's immigration policy is to seal the border and not have any amnesty. And last week you were saying that Romney looked like he was going to lose because he wasn't conservative enough. Now you're saying that the next candidate can win more votes by being even more moderate than Romney was.
    Other than your first sentence none of this is what I was saying much less true and neither this nor your previous post really addressed anything I posted previously.

    OK, then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    So the Republicans should just become Democrats and we can go from 2 parties to one? Or would you rather everyone take a huge leap to the left and have the Socialists run against the Democrats? I mean you care because you live here right??
    I'm just observing what's going on over there, it's part of my job. I do the same with other major power centres like Asia and Europe too. I have to say your politics is the most interesting. No other country has such a determined bunch of its elite class who spend their time and effort trying to fuck the country up. It makes your politics fascinating.

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    Default Re: Romney vs. BO - Saddo's kids race mongering thread

    ¿Lyle, what do you think about that Republican guy's idea to get rid of English as the official language of America?

    ¿Wouldn't that be a good thing for the GOP to champion to start their new attempt at Hispanic outreach?

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