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    Default Jack Dempsey, The Drop step rear Cross VS Hip rotation, and the shoulder whirl!?

    Ok ive been reading Jack Dempsey's book and I have applied the drop step to my jab/jolt successfully and its much more powerful and far faster than a normal modern jab.

    However Im not sure how to apply it to the rear cross. He gave instructions on how to do it but I dont understand what he meant.

    He talks about the shoulder whirl where you rotate the shoulders to produce torque in the rest of the body and your punches. It seems back then maybe they rotated from the shoulders rather than from the hips!? Anyway the shoulder swirl is alot less powerful than the modern hip rotation is.

    He said to throw the rear cross with the same technique as the straight left jolt/jab, but does he mean with or without hip rotation /shoulder whirl? (He also said the shoulder whirl is an impure way to throw straight punches because the whirl is circular force and so dosnt transmit as much force forwards in a straight line as the drop step does! So I dont know if he just meant the shoulder swirl alone isnt optimal for straight punches, or whether the shoulder swirl should be combined with the drop step so both together, or if he meant completely remove the swirl so its only the drop/trigger step is powering the rear cross so its totally pure!?

    I just want to know how to throw the rear cross the way Dempsey did with his famous drop step. Can you tell me how?

    Why isnt Jacks technique used in modern boxing? Why dont modern boxers jab/jolt and cross the way he did?
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    Default Re: Jack Dempsey, The Drop step rear Cross VS Hip rotation, and the shoulder whirl!?

    Remember those footwork drills I mentioned to you the other day? That is the foundation for what Dempsey is talking about, the drop step and so on. Once you master the short steps, you start pushing more off the back foot, covering more ground faster...Now, if you have the jab working, just start throwing your straight left when your left foot moves. Just like in those drills I mentioned the other day.
    The shoulder whirl he refers to begins on the feet and works up through the hips; the hips whirl the shoulders. He is talking about the same thing.
    When you throw your straight left hand, your hips and shoulders will turn. What Dempsey is talking about is an aggressive way of getting your weight moving forward...Start by mastering the mechanics of throwing a straight left hand, then use those drills to coordinate your hands and feet. About that time you'll figure what he is talking about.
    Manny Paciauo, however it is spelled, uses that step very frequently to throw his straight left hand, and Bernard Hopkins used to use it to steal that lead right hand he threw.

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    Default Re: Jack Dempsey, The Drop step rear Cross VS Hip rotation, and the shoulder whirl!?

    Quote Originally Posted by greynotsoold View Post
    Remember those footwork drills I mentioned to you the other day? That is the foundation for what Dempsey is talking about, the drop step and so on. Once you master the short steps, you start pushing more off the back foot, covering more ground faster...Now, if you have the jab working, just start throwing your straight left when your left foot moves. Just like in those drills I mentioned the other day.
    The shoulder whirl he refers to begins on the feet and works up through the hips; the hips whirl the shoulders. He is talking about the same thing.
    When you throw your straight left hand, your hips and shoulders will turn. What Dempsey is talking about is an aggressive way of getting your weight moving forward...Start by mastering the mechanics of throwing a straight left hand, then use those drills to coordinate your hands and feet. About that time you'll figure what he is talking about.
    Manny Paciauo, however it is spelled, uses that step very frequently to throw his straight left hand, and Bernard Hopkins used to use it to steal that lead right hand he threw.
    I get it thanks to your superb instructions on the lead rear cross question and this one thanks a million friend I really owe you!

    So basically the momentum from the drop step forwards carries on into the lead rear cross in one fluid motion, its not drop step in, stop, then throw, its one fluid motion so you get both power generation methods adding to one another to produce a horrific amount of force in the rear cross.

    I can feel what he meant by pure linear force/follow through, practically separated my hand from my wrist joint!

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    Default Re: Jack Dempsey, The Drop step rear Cross VS Hip rotation, and the shoulder whirl!?

    Quote Originally Posted by greynotsoold View Post
    Remember those footwork drills I mentioned to you the other day? That is the foundation for what Dempsey is talking about, the drop step and so on. Once you master the short steps, you start pushing more off the back foot, covering more ground faster...Now, if you have the jab working, just start throwing your straight left when your left foot moves. Just like in those drills I mentioned the other day.
    The shoulder whirl he refers to begins on the feet and works up through the hips; the hips whirl the shoulders. He is talking about the same thing.
    When you throw your straight left hand, your hips and shoulders will turn. What Dempsey is talking about is an aggressive way of getting your weight moving forward...Start by mastering the mechanics of throwing a straight left hand, then use those drills to coordinate your hands and feet. About that time you'll figure what he is talking about.
    Manny Paciauo, however it is spelled, uses that step very frequently to throw his straight left hand, and Bernard Hopkins used to use it to steal that lead right hand he threw.
    Sorry to bump, but I would like to know what footwork drills you mean.

    Greetings from Holland.

    Edit: Never mind, ive found what I was looing for...
    Last edited by Bep_Van_Klaveren; 04-03-2013 at 07:53 PM. Reason: found what i was looking for

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