What Book Are You Currently Reading ?

[El Kabong]

Cambridge to 'decolonise' English literature
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...d=tmg_share_tw


Yyyyyyeah, see I'm of the mind that we can learn NEW things and discuss NEW things by reading authors from different cultures and places, but still classics are classic for reasons and there's no need to kick authors out of a curriculum based solely on their race.



@Batman your thoughts?

[Batman]

Cambridge to 'decolonise' English literature
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...d=tmg_share_tw


Yyyyyyeah, see I'm of the mind that we can learn NEW things and discuss NEW things by reading authors from different cultures and places, but still classics are classic for reasons and there's no need to kick authors out of a curriculum based solely on their race.



@Batman your thoughts?

OK so this is what bothers me in this birds 'open letter'

What we can no longer ignore, however, is the fact that the curriculum, taken as a whole, risks perpetuating institutional racism.

Why not just broach the subject, the very first paragraph throws out 'institutional racism' that is similar to that tranny model who was sacked from the shampoo advert for saying 'all white people were racist' only to backtrack and say that what she meant was that 'all white people are institutionally racist' or some shit like that, by whacking the word 'institutional' in front of racism it appears that does not constitute saying that anyone is purposely racist, just that they are racist but its not their fault.

She also asks for

The inclusion of two or more postcolonial and BME authors on every exam paper.

This is the main part that boils my piss, its like when the BBC made that new rule that every comedy panel show now needs to have at least one female comedian (even though I don't like the bloke fair play to Jason Manford for refusing to go on anymore BBC shows after that)

What this girl is saying is that BME authors need to be shoe horned into every single exam paper regardless of how good they are or regardless of the fact that there could be hundreds of white authors more deserving of it, the BME authors need to get in purely based on their race (is that not encouraging institutional racism and discrimination?)

End of the day the as you said the classics are classics for a reason, because they are the best in their genres, not because the author was white, black, yellow or green.

There is an old saying, never judge a book by its cover, this would completely go against that.

[Beanz]

"The Daily Telegraph has admitted its story suggesting the University of Cambridge was being “forced” to drop white writers from its curriculum was inaccurate, as the black student who featured on its front page spoke out after suffering “racist and sexist abuse” as a result.


The newspaper on Thursday offered a ‘clarification’ after Lola Olufemi, the women’s officer at Cambridge University Student Union, was among dozens of students to sign an open letter to the university’s English department calling for non-white authors and “postcolonial thought” to be “meaningfully” incorporated into the current syllabus."


Finally the DT does the right thing after days of racist garbage on this page....



Don't believe everything you read mate. And certainly don't believe something that Lyle posts after being pointed towards it by his alt right hysterical gay white failed British overlords.

Lyle does not believe in intellectual integrity. To even broach the subject of diversity makes you a snowflake in his book. We used to have proper debates here, very hard nowadays but just for another point of view maybe have a gander at this and then see if you think The Telegraph was being honest

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...mi-curriculums

[El Kabong]

"The Daily Telegraph has admitted its story suggesting the University of Cambridge was being “forced” to drop white writers from its curriculum was inaccurate, as the black student who featured on its front page spoke out after suffering “racist and sexist abuse” as a result.


The newspaper on Thursday offered a ‘clarification’ after Lola Olufemi, the women’s officer at Cambridge University Student Union, was among dozens of students to sign an open letter to the university’s English department calling for non-white authors and “postcolonial thought” to be “meaningfully” incorporated into the current syllabus."


Finally the DT does the right thing after days of racist garbage on this page....



Don't believe everything you read mate. And certainly don't believe something that Lyle posts after being pointed towards it by his alt right hysterical gay white failed British overlords.

Lyle does not believe in intellectual integrity. To even broach the subject of diversity makes you a snowflake in his book. We used to have proper debates here, very hard nowadays but just for another point of view maybe have a gander at this and then see if you think The Telegraph was being honest

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...mi-curriculums

Oh so it's not being "forced".....maybe "coerced" is a better word but whatever YOU do @Beanz never even address that there MIGHT be an issue, never change

We used to have proper debates here

Ummm, WE used to, you never got fucking close to debate because you don't know how to and you've never been interested in what others might think ergo your penchant for snarkiness and name calling.



As for your article

"The racialised misogyny activists receive when they are viewed as disruptive is evidenced in the recent smear campaigns against Esme Allman and Munroe Bergdorf. "

Munroe Bergdorf you mean "all white people are racist" Munroe Bergdorf? THAT Munroe Bergdorf?

The author links to another story where he says "I simply meant to observe that racial prejudice, where it exists, transcends gender, class, sexuality and age. Hence my statement that “white middle class, white working class, white men, white women, white gays, white children” are racist, while rhetorically hyperbolic, was a clear reference to the fact that racism is not an exclusive characteristic of any one demographic. My experiences as a black gay man facing racism from white gay men have taught me this."

But I suppose you're in agreement with this Beanz



There's the author of the piece right there.....glad you are in support of it Beanz, I'm glad to know that is where you stand.

[Batman]

Not wanting to get this thread derailed with the usual stuff on this forum, the article that Lyle posted would only let me read the first few paragraphs, the quotes that I picked out and took issue were from her 'open letter' not from any actual article .

I'll take a look at the links you posted later when I get home.

[El Kabong]

Not wanting to get this thread derailed with the usual stuff on this forum, the article that Lyle posted would only let me read the first few paragraphs, the quotes that I picked out and took issue were from her 'open letter' not from any actual article .

I'll take a look at the links you posted later when I get home.

I did not want to derail the thread, just wanted your opinion on it since most folk start their reading habits in school before they branch off and read whatever they would like to.


In school I read several books which weren't to my liking (I believe we all do because we all have different preferences) however teachers and professors are supposed to help us all cultivate certain critical thinking skills and hone our reading comprehension so that being the case I am all for other more exciting authors being made available to students....what I don't like is tossing out authors who are quite accomplished because of assumed supremacy or colonialism of one form or another and yes, that is very much happening.

Yale English students call for end of focus on white male writers
https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...e-male-writers


I believe I may revisit some of my Dashiell Hammet pulpy noiry detective stories next, those are always good fun.

[Freedom]

24 hours at Waterloo by Robert Kershaw.

It's an outstanding book, it goes into more details about the Battle of Waterloo than I've found elsewhere.

[Batman]

Not wanting to get this thread derailed with the usual stuff on this forum, the article that Lyle posted would only let me read the first few paragraphs, the quotes that I picked out and took issue were from her 'open letter' not from any actual article .

I'll take a look at the links you posted later when I get home.

I did not want to derail the thread, just wanted your opinion on it since most folk start their reading habits in school before they branch off and read whatever they would like to.


In school I read several books which weren't to my liking (I believe we all do because we all have different preferences) however teachers and professors are supposed to help us all cultivate certain critical thinking skills and hone our reading comprehension so that being the case I am all for other more exciting authors being made available to students....what I don't like is tossing out authors who are quite accomplished because of assumed supremacy or colonialism of one form or another and yes, that is very much happening.

Yale English students call for end of focus on white male writers
https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...e-male-writers


I believe I may revisit some of my Dashiell Hammet pulpy noiry detective stories next, those are always good fun.

Wasn't aimed at you mate.

It isn't just the 'tossing out authors' bit that I disagree with, it is the fact that apparently the solution is to have a certain amount of obligatory BME authors, that is the worst part.

If its good enough it should be included, simple as that.

Oh and Munroe Bergdorf thats the tranny model that I was talking about in my earlier post

[Batman]

24 hours at Waterloo by Robert Kershaw.

It's an outstanding book, it goes into more details about the Battle of Waterloo than I've found elsewhere.

@Freedom blimey thats got a pretty high score on GoodReads, do you need much knowledge on the battle to enjoy it, I'm pretty limited in that respect but this sounds pretty decent.

Anyways I opted to read this, started it yesterday, it's not fantastic but its alright, I might try and get it finished tonight

The village of Hemmersmoor is a place untouched by time and shrouded in superstition: There is the grand manor house whose occupants despise the villagers, the small pub whose regulars talk of revenants, the old mill no one dares to mention. This is where four young friends come of age—in an atmosphere thick with fear and suspicion. Their innocent games soon bring them face-to-face with the village's darkest secrets in this eerily dispassionate, astonishingly assured novel, evocative of Stephen King's classic short story "Children of the Corn" and infused with the spirit of the Brothers Grimm.

[Freedom]

@Freedom blimey thats got a pretty high score on GoodReads, do you need much knowledge on the battle to enjoy it, I'm pretty limited in that respect but this sounds pretty decent.

You don't need any prior knowledge of the battle to enjoy it. It covers everything.

The movie Waterloo is very good, it goes well with the book.

[Beanz]

Not wishing to derail .... my own fucking thread

I will just remind you Lyle without having to resort to multiple @mentions or any of your millenial gaybo stuff of your own opening sentence . Maybe reflect on that and think of it as a reading comprehension excercise


"Oh so it's not being "forced".....maybe "coerced" is a better word but whatever YOU do @Beanz never even address that there MIGHT be an issue, never change"



See now you have me fucking @mentioning myself by quoting your drivel. You were the one who had to bring a fucking race argument into a thread about books. Seriously does it keep you up at night? Is it so troubling to you that you can't continue to be the dominant young white male demographic forever and a day? A fucking race to the bottom mate that seems to be what you are intent on making the forum. Wind up the tension, throw in a few hand grenades, bluff ignorance and steadily drip , drip your fucking belly aching until IT seems normal and all the other posters are painted as 'Them' 'Snowflakes' 'the enemy' 'Goons'


We were all mates,We are all going to die, and you are wasting your time on this shit?
Yes YOU have to change but it is really not that hard.

[Batman]

Good stuff, I've added it to my 'To read' list which is currently sitting at 136 books, I'm going to have to trim that down a bit, some of the books have been on that list for 5 years, I can't even remember what they are.

I think I've got 4 books that I actually own that I have gotta read, then I'll be stocking up on a few more, I've given myself an Amazon ban, last month I spent over £60 on books so I've had to make a concerted effort to get through the ones I've already got.

[Beanz]

I have to downsize our entire library. Literally hundreds of books and even first editions are not worth a lot any more. We are going to have to move to a smaller place and it is breaking me trying to decide what to keep and not. I have a lot of reference works from supporting students across the subject spectrum, My boxing collection, seminal stuff on sound, technical stuff on recording, art and installations etc, music and then the film making and photography books. I am writing more and more for a living now and so I actually tend to read very quick and easy fiction to unwind.

[El Kabong]

@Freedom blimey thats got a pretty high score on GoodReads, do you need much knowledge on the battle to enjoy it, I'm pretty limited in that respect but this sounds pretty decent.

You don't need any prior knowledge of the battle to enjoy it. It covers everything.

The movie Waterloo is very good, it goes well with the book.

Napoleon was a brilliant man, very shrewd military leader, not a nut job like Hitler. Whatever one is to say of dictators and despots it takes scheming to get in power and even more so to remain in power, to have a second act the way Napoleon did is playing the game almost as well as Caesar Augustus.


I've been meaning to study up on him more and of course Waterloo, I might have to add this to my list as well.


It's a shame Kubrick never was able to see his Napoleon film come to be....Jack Nicholson was to play Bonaparte.

Not wishing to derail .... my own fucking thread

I will just remind you Lyle without having to resort to multiple @mentions or any of your millenial gaybo stuff of your own opening sentence . Maybe reflect on that and think of it as a reading comprehension excercise


"Oh so it's not being "forced".....maybe "coerced" is a better word but whatever YOU do @Beanz never even address that there MIGHT be an issue, never change"



See now you have me fucking @mentioning myself by quoting your drivel. You were the one who had to bring a fucking race argument into a thread about books. Seriously does it keep you up at night? Is it so troubling to you that you can't continue to be the dominant young white male demographic forever and a day? A fucking race to the bottom mate that seems to be what you are intent on making the forum. Wind up the tension, throw in a few hand grenades, bluff ignorance and steadily drip , drip your fucking belly aching until IT seems normal and all the other posters are painted as 'Them' 'Snowflakes' 'the enemy' 'Goons'


We were all mates,We are all going to die, and you are wasting your time on this shit?
Yes YOU have to change but it is really not that hard.

I use @ mentions to get your attention.....don't want me to post directly @ you, fine I won't post @ you at fucking all....OH WAIT, I can't do that because I nearly drowned in your tears from the last time I do that.

I @ mentioned Batman, he didn't cry about it....why do you?

I asked Batman a question, not you, YOU jumped in why? Because why not, I cannot post without you throwing a temper tantrum apparently....why do you bother me, yes, YOU take YOUR time and follow ME around the forum. Just tell me "Hey, I don't want you to post in here" fucking type it out instead of your constant bitching, I'll leave YOU alone, too bad that's not a mutual thing.

Call all your mates Nazi's do you? Accuse them of sympathizing with that group do you? You're a piece of shit, I'm not your fucking mate....wouldn't piss on you if you burst into flames and that was all I could put it out with.

[Batman]

I got rid of a fuck load of books a while ago, I really wish I hadn't even the shit ones I miss, I got rid of about 200 I think, I probably should have only got rid of about 20 or 30 of them max