How DO we beat Mayweather?

[ykdadamaja]

I think it's fair to suggest that we need to bring in OPEN analysis to solving the Mayweather riddle. It's not that we don't like Mayweather, but what skills would it take to beat him? I have never seen an online board talk about strategies to beat Mayweather.

Everyone has a fatal flaw. Everyone. What have you noticed that would make Mayweather take it on the chin.

I also think it's safe to say that no one is going to win a decision UNLESS Mayweather breaks both of his hands and doesn't throw a punch for more than half the fight OR gets knocked down at least 4 to 5 times in one fight (unlikely this would happen without a ref stopping the match anyways).

So, we are talk about a knockout here- or at least a TKO stoppage.

I happen to think that Mayweather is susceptible to HARD straight hand shots down the pike. No hooks unless you get him standing straight, which very rarely you see him do.

I think the guy to beat him will be a guy that can throw straight and HARD punches down the pike, straight up the middle. Straight, hard punches to the face and/or chin (preferably a STIFF AND PUNCHY LEFT JAB, or a straight left from the Southpaw stance).

The guy will have to have a "rangy" reach advantage- reach not in sync with his height, kinda like a David Tua, where his reach was nearly 5 inches longer than his height). Not necessarily longer than Floyd's, but sneaky that you won't be able to get out of the way of his punches because you would be thinking it would be an inch shorter than anticipated.

Plus, it will be a guy that can hit back while being hit with one of Floyd's punches. THIS is key. The guy to beat Floyd must have the ability to throw a punch while Floyd is throwing a punch SIMULTANEOUSLY. Timing, timing, timing.... that when you see a punch coming, you swing with it. This is harder to do, but it is the only way to hit Floyd.

Any other suggestions?

[chris6878]

Just rewatch the delahoya fight. He solved that riddle until old age caught up with him. I also think a prime winky wright would have givin may all kinds of trouble with his defense and and stiff jab. In fact he would've stopped Floyd. IMO

[greynotsoold]

Remember when Tyson said no one could challenge him with their 'primitive' skills? This is like that...Mayweather fights like an old-school fighter, not totally, but enough to be better than what passes for boxing today.
Punching when the other guy punches is something you don't see much now, when guys have 'high guards' and take turns.
To beat Mayweather you have to draw him out and make him lead.

[IamInuit]

Remember when Tyson said no one could challenge him with their 'primitive' skills? This is like that...Mayweather fights like an old-school fighter, not totally, but enough to be better than what passes for boxing today.
Punching when the other guy punches is something you don't see much now, when guys have 'high guards' and take turns.
To beat Mayweather you have to draw him out and make him lead.

I think that's a real good example. If you allow the guy to counter and fight off the back foot behind the shoulder you are doomed. Mayweather has got to have the best right hand in the sport. Not power wise but variation wise. A effective jab is another one like Oscar used in the first half of the fight while working behind it instead of standing still watching Floyd.

[Hulk]

I think it's fair to suggest that we need to bring in OPEN analysis to solving the Mayweather riddle. It's not that we don't like Mayweather, but what skills would it take to beat him? I have never seen an online board talk about strategies to beat Mayweather.

Everyone has a fatal flaw. Everyone. What have you noticed that would make Mayweather take it on the chin.

I also think it's safe to say that no one is going to win a decision UNLESS Mayweather breaks both of his hands and doesn't throw a punch for more than half the fight OR gets knocked down at least 4 to 5 times in one fight (unlikely this would happen without a ref stopping the match anyways).

So, we are talk about a knockout here- or at least a TKO stoppage.

I happen to think that Mayweather is susceptible to HARD straight hand shots down the pike. No hooks unless you get him standing straight, which very rarely you see him do.

I think the guy to beat him will be a guy that can throw straight and HARD punches down the pike, straight up the middle. Straight, hard punches to the face and/or chin (preferably a STIFF AND PUNCHY LEFT JAB, or a straight left from the Southpaw stance).

The guy will have to have a "rangy" reach advantage- reach not in sync with his height, kinda like a David Tua, where his reach was nearly 5 inches longer than his height). Not necessarily longer than Floyd's, but sneaky that you won't be able to get out of the way of his punches because you would be thinking it would be an inch shorter than anticipated.

Plus, it will be a guy that can hit back while being hit with one of Floyd's punches. THIS is key. The guy to beat Floyd must have the ability to throw a punch while Floyd is throwing a punch SIMULTANEOUSLY. Timing, timing, timing.... that when you see a punch coming, you swing with it. This is harder to do, but it is the only way to hit Floyd.

Any other suggestions?

We stop buying his PPV's.

[Dark Lord Al]

Ive have thought about it and my answer is -

with a baseball bat.

[bzkfn]

Ive have thought about it and my answer is -

with a baseball bat.

I think @Dark Lord Al has knocked it out of the park.

[Vendettos]

Something I though would work is not going forward.

Going on the back foot and refusing to fight Floyd unless he walks to you.

It would make the fight stink, which essentially hurts Floyd's money/sales of his next fight, so I Imagine he'd come forward to try and make some excitement and make the fans stop booing, then he may be open.

But it's farfetched.

If anyone knew the answer mate, someone would have done it. Quite simply, even at 36, he's unbeatable.

That's from someone who doesn't like him very much.

[Julius Rain]

I still think a guy who is just as fast, with a Juggernaut stamina/endurance, k.o power and continues to leave him no room. Match his foot work/speed and punch him anywhere, especially on his bicep/tricep to wear that guard down. Frustrate him by continuing to match his footwork maybe even tangle legs just to get him uncomfortable. DO NOT WAIT FOR HIM LIKE A LOT OF HIS OPPONENTS DO, HE WILL PICK YOU APART! PUSH HIM, HEADBUTT HIM, YOU GOTTA REALLY WANT TO FORCE HIM OUT OF HIS COMFORT ZONE. Throw an early low blow once a round for the first 2-3 round just to get it in his head, you don't give a fuck you will continue on punching and staying on his ass. DO NOT GET TIRED OR STOP TO MATCH HIS CHESS GAME MIND, CAUSE YOU WI LL LOSE, keep punching and don't worry about losing points cause if you do you would be way behind on points anyways.

I hope all that made sense...

[Hulk]

Something I though would work is not going forward.

Going on the back foot and refusing to fight Floyd unless he walks to you.

It would make the fight stink, which essentially hurts Floyd's money/sales of his next fight, so I Imagine he'd come forward to try and make some excitement and make the fans stop booing, then he may be open.

But it's farfetched.

If anyone knew the answer mate, someone would have done it. Quite simply, even at 36, he's unbeatable.

That's from someone who doesn't like him very much.

Are you suggesting someone use the old Cory Spinks method?

[0james0]

You wait for him to get old and slower.

Then you storm him and just charge through his punches.

Someone like Alvarez or Broner will give him fits in a couple years.