Is this the worst era in HW boxing history?

[Max Power]

Haye Lost to fucking Thompson when he was cw which kinda sad consider he was 40. Haye best win you could say Holyfeild beat at 48 and most of Holyfields loses are after he was 40.I don't think Haye won a round against Wald and Wald not even close to a Lennox Lewis. Haye best win are pretty much lacking and he lost to the guys who one was a good champ and lost ever round the other a old vet who knocked him out so i don't understand your logic on how great he is and why he is mentioned with Holyfeild.

Nice one mate, so now your scratching you bring up Haye's only loss entire career.

Except the correct perspective there should read.. "10 fight GREEN David Haye loses by punchers chance to ageing but EXPERIENCED VETERAN Thompson, never to be defeated or seriously challeneged again until Wladimir Klitschko.

Who is to say Haye's opponents are shit. What makes big Audley Harrison a shitter opponent than say Vaugn Bean who push Holyfield? Audley isn't even that bad and Haye murdered him.

Lewis and Wlad are imo also fairly comparable. A fool would disagree there!

@maxpower -- You are so stupid and so wrong!

You couldn't even figure out how to join the prediction contest.

It might take me longer than some but I do get there lol

[ruthless rocco]

Haye Lost to fucking Thompson when he was cw which kinda sad consider he was 40. Haye best win you could say Holyfeild beat at 48 and most of Holyfields loses are after he was 40.I don't think Haye won a round against Wald and Wald not even close to a Lennox Lewis. Haye best win are pretty much lacking and he lost to the guys who one was a good champ and lost ever round the other a old vet who knocked him out so i don't understand your logic on how great he is and why he is mentioned with Holyfeild.

Nice one mate, so now your scratching you bring up Haye's only loss entire career.

Except the correct perspective there should read.. "10 fight GREEN David Haye loses by punchers chance to ageing but EXPERIENCED VETERAN Thompson, never to be defeated or seriously challeneged again until Wladimir Klitschko.

Who is to say Haye's opponents are shit. What makes big Audley Harrison a shitter opponent than say Vaugn Bean who push Holyfield? Audley isn't even that bad and Haye murdered him.

Lewis and Wlad are imo also fairly comparable. A fool would disagree there!

@maxpower -- You are so stupid and so wrong!

You couldn't even figure out how to join the prediction contest.

It might take me longer than some but I do get there lol

You get where?

[Beanflicker]

I think the HW division of the last 10 years is severely underrated.

But I think we're really heading into a horrible era... when the Klitschkos are gone, who the fuck is going to carry the torch?

[Bo-Bo24]

I think the HW division of the last 10 years is severely underrated.

But I think we're really heading into a horrible era... when the Klitschkos are gone, who the fuck is going to carry the torch?

Wilder, the Fury's, Anthony Joshua, Mike Perez, Andy Ruiz jr, The New Zealand fighter Joseph Parker all look like they'll be good prospects and hopefully one or two will emerge from the amateurs too. With Wladimir going I hope it will make sure top 20 fighters actually fight each other rather than all lining up for a payday waiting for their title shot. Whether or not any fighter can get to the level that the Klitschko's have reached though is another matter.

[Mr140]

Mention him max because one of the best people he ever fought which is sad. I mean a 48 year old Holyfeild should of got a nod against the gaint which is Haye best win. Haye lost damn near ever fucking round to Wlad and it is not like Haye is old. Holyfeild put a way better fight against Lewis at 37 and Lewis is a better version of Wald. Holyfeild still has hart problems and did have hep b in the Moorer and Bowie fights as well which kinda a big deal. Also you say Haye was green yet when you bring up Holyfeild loses most of them he was 40 and up in the age department Holyfeild on a different level that is all.

[powerpuncher]

Mention him max because one of the best people he ever fought which is sad. I mean a 48 year old Holyfeild should of got a nod against the gaint which is Haye best win. Haye lost damn near ever fucking round to Wlad and it is not like Haye is old. Holyfeild put a way better fight against Lewis at 37 and Lewis is a better version of Wald. Holyfeild still has hart problems and did have hep b in the Moorer and Bowie fights as well which kinda a big deal. Also you say Haye was green yet when you bring up Holyfeild loses most of them he was 40 and up in the age department Holyfeild on a different level that is all.

i learned from experience that you cant argue with maxpower because he doesnt trust opinions of fighters, historians, or experts (im not joking, he has said it straight forward). he assumes that everybody who has been in the sport or has studied the sport for years dont know what they are talking about but he does because he is smart.

for example, fighter A says that their competition was more difficult than today. maxpower doesnt believe it because they are bias. another example, a boxing historian who has seen tons of fights over their decades of life has been able to analyze fighters from all of the eras that they have watched and claim that fighters from the previous eras were better. maxpower says that they are bias. then maxpower says that modern fighters are better and that david haye would beat ali and KO joe louis in 1 round. then says that if you dont believe that then you are ignorant.

so unless thats the kind of person you want to argue with, i would just let it go. just some advice

[walrus]

im surprised a number of you say Wlad is one of the greatest Heavyweights of all time. On paper I would say that is true but in style I would disagree. Having said that I will defer to you guys as I haven't really followed his career. I really can't stand watching him fight. I have only watched a couple of his fights so I am not position to say anyone to say those who feel he is top three material is wrong. Still, having a Heavyweight champ many of us can't stand watching speaks volumes to me.

[Master]

Your perspective is as usual rubbish. Haye would not stop Holmes, foreman may have wasted Haye with a jab.

Yes, a young primer Holmes was 2ce removed by Michael friggin Spinks, a guy an inch or 2 shorter and 15 lbs lighter than Haye with all the power of a leaf blower and still not the slickness, struggled and gifted against heaps of his contempories. LAter a fatter and older but more experienced and smarter version manages to out land a plodder in Ray Mercer. Suddenly he can withstand David Haye!

George Foreman was 2ce beaten by 2 of the biggest featherfists to ever participate in HW boxing, Muhammad Ali and Jimmy Young when prime but the old slow version would KO Haye with a jab?

Wanna see what would happen there, see Foreman vs Morrison!

Holmes should have gotten both decisions against Spinks who probably would have beaten Haye anyway.

Haye fighting like Tommy Morrison to win a decision, could happen but probably not either.

[powerpuncher]

im surprised a number of you say Wlad is one of the greatest Heavyweights of all time. On paper I would say that is true but in style I would disagree. Having said that I will defer to you guys as I haven't really followed his career. I really can't stand watching him fight. I have only watched a couple of his fights so I am not position to say anyone to say those who feel he is top three material is wrong. Still, having a Heavyweight champ many of us can't stand watching speaks volumes to me.

he isnt. some people just get tricked because he started dominating after all of the decent fighters retired.

[Max Power]

@powerpuncher

And that's all there is to it ey, boxing died, all of the decent HW's retired and all of Wlad's opponents are garbage ey? A whole decade of opponents now in a globalised sport?

Not likely bud!

And your summary of my positions whilst containing accuracy leaves many specifics unturned. OF course many so called "experts" are biased or untruthful, that goes for all sports. Hell, trainers and experts are misleading from fight to fight currently let alone when commenting far in the past.

What about fighters like Ruslan Chagaev, Hasim Rahman, Sultan Ibragimov, David Haye, Tony Thompson, Samuel Peter, Alexander Povetkin. They are real push-overs there those opponents!!

If guys like your precious Muhammad Ali had the same run of opponents like that then he'd be in double digit losses in no time!! Fact!

[Max Power]

Your perspective is as usual rubbish. Haye would not stop Holmes, foreman may have wasted Haye with a jab.

Yes, a young primer Holmes was 2ce removed by Michael friggin Spinks, a guy an inch or 2 shorter and 15 lbs lighter than Haye with all the power of a leaf blower and still not the slickness, struggled and gifted against heaps of his contempories. LAter a fatter and older but more experienced and smarter version manages to out land a plodder in Ray Mercer. Suddenly he can withstand David Haye!

George Foreman was 2ce beaten by 2 of the biggest featherfists to ever participate in HW boxing, Muhammad Ali and Jimmy Young when prime but the old slow version would KO Haye with a jab?

Wanna see what would happen there, see Foreman vs Morrison!

Holmes should have gotten both decisions against Spinks who probably would have beaten Haye anyway.

Haye fighting like Tommy Morrison to win a decision, could happen but probably not either.

I never said David Haye would slug it out right in front of Foreman did I? Obviously not. It would be a successful hit and run job. An EASY hit and run job. Hell Morrison was a swarmer/slugger type fighter with good all round boxing skills as well, hit and run was not even his style and he pulled it off. The faster more practiced at it Haye could do it blindfolded I reckon.

As for Spinks, maybe your right about those decisions but they were close to draws in my book anyway, disgraceful for a guy like Holmes who had been potentially gifted many times previous anyway. But as for Spinks vs Haye I think Spinks stands as much chance there as against Tyson!! F/A!

[powerpuncher]

@powerpuncher

And that's all there is to it ey, boxing died, all of the decent HW's retired and all of Wlad's opponents are garbage ey? A whole decade of opponents now in a globalised sport?

Not likely bud!

And your summary of my positions whilst containing accuracy leaves many specifics unturned. OF course many so called "experts" are biased or untruthful, that goes for all sports. Hell, trainers and experts are misleading from fight to fight currently let alone when commenting far in the past.

What about fighters like Ruslan Chagaev, Hasim Rahman, Sultan Ibragimov, David Haye, Tony Thompson, Samuel Peter, Alexander Povetkin. They are real push-overs there those opponents!!

If guys like your precious Muhammad Ali had the same run of opponents like that then he'd be in double digit losses in no time!! Fact!

like i always say, the klits didnt start dominating until after lewis retired along with the other HWs that lewis was fighting during his career. the klits did fight a few of those guys those WAY after their primes which doesnt really mean much. lets put it this way, arreola, who is a top HW now, is in no way better than ruiz, byrd, rahman (prime), tua, holyfield (even older holyfield), briggs, golota, mccall, and many others who all fought at the same time. and that group of HWs really isnt even that great. they are just alright. same as fighters like chagaev and ibramigov who you think are actually good. or even povetkin. povetkin is terrible. he is super slow and doesnt have much of a punch or hardly any skills and yet, wlad had to hold and push him the whole fight.

and you cant say fact about ali having double digit losses if he fought now because its an opinion. and again, like i always tell you, pretty much any boxer, trainer, expert, etc would 100% disagree with you but you would just say that it is bias which you think makes you win the argument.

[Max Power]

@powerpuncher

And that's all there is to it ey, boxing died, all of the decent HW's retired and all of Wlad's opponents are garbage ey? A whole decade of opponents now in a globalised sport?

Not likely bud!

And your summary of my positions whilst containing accuracy leaves many specifics unturned. OF course many so called "experts" are biased or untruthful, that goes for all sports. Hell, trainers and experts are misleading from fight to fight currently let alone when commenting far in the past.

What about fighters like Ruslan Chagaev, Hasim Rahman, Sultan Ibragimov, David Haye, Tony Thompson, Samuel Peter, Alexander Povetkin. They are real push-overs there those opponents!!

If guys like your precious Muhammad Ali had the same run of opponents like that then he'd be in double digit losses in no time!! Fact!

like i always say, the klits didnt start dominating until after lewis retired along with the other HWs that lewis was fighting during his career. the klits did fight a few of those guys those WAY after their primes which doesnt really mean much. lets put it this way, arreola, who is a top HW now, is in no way better than ruiz, byrd, rahman (prime), tua, holyfield (even older holyfield), briggs, golota, mccall, and many others who all fought at the same time. and that group of HWs really isnt even that great. they are just alright. same as fighters like chagaev and ibramigov who you think are actually good. or even povetkin. povetkin is terrible. he is super slow and doesnt have much of a punch or hardly any skills and yet, wlad had to hold and push him the whole fight.

and you cant say fact about ali having double digit losses if he fought now because its an opinion. and again, like i always tell you, pretty much any boxer, trainer, expert, etc would 100% disagree with you but you would just say that it is bias which you think makes you win the argument.

I am a big fan of those 90's boxers man but the prime version of Wladimir is a force to be reckoned with against any of them and Chris Arreola is NO WORSE than most all of those fighters you mentioned either, same for Ibragimov and the rest you mentioned.

I think Alexander Povetkin is much better than your describing him. The fact he didn't have the biggest punch means he must have had good skills to be where he is. He still has good power, he had good skills and other etc, he is a good all-round boxer, great ant not 1 thing but good at lots. And he has good chin!

But you can go with what you think, I don't care.

On the Muhammad Ali thing I think there's a surprising and ever growing number that see it the other way round mate!! Show me a Russian expert who thinks Muhammad Ali could beat Sultan Ibragimov, just one??

[Max Power]

Review Sultan vs Whitaker and imagine Muhammad against that monster and consider do you think he could pull that off?

The man bashed Holyfield and Briggs too ffs. And yeah yeah they weren't prime sure but it was still Holyfield and Briggs and all their past experience!

[Mr140]

Ali could beat damn near anyone not saying he would not lose but he had a hell of a chin and boxing ability was pretty up there. Wald is a great heavy and all but he got really good when a lot of the talent was gone really. Haye is good but has not fought comp really and that's his fault because he fights once and a while Bryde is a his best win and i can respect that. Foreman was in his 40's when Morrison fought him and he fought scared most of the time during that fight. Sultan didn't have many fights had hard time with Austin best win is Holyfeild in his late 40's. Problem with Wald is he lost to a Journeyman and was Iced by Sanders and never avenged it which kinda dent on his career. He may be better now but when the divsion had some life in it he has some loses he didn't make up and that always going to be a question mark over him for it still in the top 15 though maybe even top 10.