UK - Council and European Election

[Dark Lord Al]

Seems many people are sick of labour / conservatives which is reflected in the voting I think.
My local council Hulton is one of the areas in the north Bolton area that UKIP got in as council officials.

[Beanz]

I don't vote domestically at all anymore as just as I lay no claims on the state, I also expect them to have no claims on me. I can register as an overseas voter, but I see no point in making such an effort. I also understand the views of those who say their vote makes no difference. UKIP is suggesting that at least there is another party on the horizon, but in truth, asides from immigration, I don't really have very much in common with UKIP. In a way UKIP's rise might be the shake up that's needed as all three of the other parties should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, particularly in the way they have allowed unchecked immigration, student debt to rise exponentially, an allegiance to the most corrupt banking in the world, another housing bubble, a police state (with no explanation), fracking and continued privatisation (including now the NHS). It's hardly even voting for the lesser of evils looking at such policies. It's a mess and maybe the ballot box isn't the way to go anymore. I think the recent slander of Farage by the main parties and the media has been atrocious too and it has actually made me think more favourably of him too. He is up against pure scum who would much rather throw mud pies than sort themselves out in the interests of their people. It has never been more clear just how warped the British establishment is.

Eton schoolboy pieces of trash all cloned in the same schoolyard factory. People probably want someone genuine who won't be bought by the banks or US dictators.

I think for many people, yourself included, it's just easier to be cynical and shrug their shoulders and think what difference does it make than to really investigate the alternatives and actually bother trying to engender change. Whilst the BBC and others have probably unwittingly given UKIP huge publicity and shot themselves in the foot by throwing mud at them, you can not for one minute pretend that UKIP have not asked for it. You are talking about the most mainstream of parties, capitalising on disillusioned Right wing Tory voters getting elected on the basis of a campaign based on lies and racist diatribes. There is an alternative and that is why locally I supported the TUSC as a true socialist party standing up for the working man and against cuts and in Europe the Green party who believe in keeping the NHS public,paying workers a living wage,defending public services,creating sustainable jobs, protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty,Nationalising rail and Energy companies,abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE and Science funding.

These are things I thought you believed in ? If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is maybe you should stop moaning about it. Instead you are more worried about the slander of the toff Farage who hypocritically draws his wage in a European Parliament he supposedly does not agree with, never turning up to meetings to defend the UK , and all the while ignore the slander of 29 Million Romanians and Bulgarians by the dick whose smug bullshit has managed to hoodwink even you, an educated man.

[Beanz]

[Dark Lord Al]

I don't vote domestically at all anymore as just as I lay no claims on the state, I also expect them to have no claims on me. I can register as an overseas voter, but I see no point in making such an effort. I also understand the views of those who say their vote makes no difference. UKIP is suggesting that at least there is another party on the horizon, but in truth, asides from immigration, I don't really have very much in common with UKIP. In a way UKIP's rise might be the shake up that's needed as all three of the other parties should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, particularly in the way they have allowed unchecked immigration, student debt to rise exponentially, an allegiance to the most corrupt banking in the world, another housing bubble, a police state (with no explanation), fracking and continued privatisation (including now the NHS). It's hardly even voting for the lesser of evils looking at such policies. It's a mess and maybe the ballot box isn't the way to go anymore. I think the recent slander of Farage by the main parties and the media has been atrocious too and it has actually made me think more favourably of him too. He is up against pure scum who would much rather throw mud pies than sort themselves out in the interests of their people. It has never been more clear just how warped the British establishment is.

Eton schoolboy pieces of trash all cloned in the same schoolyard factory. People probably want someone genuine who won't be bought by the banks or US dictators.

I think for many people, yourself included, it's just easier to be cynical and shrug their shoulders and think what difference does it make than to really investigate the alternatives and actually bother trying to engender change. Whilst the BBC and others have probably unwittingly given UKIP huge publicity and shot themselves in the foot by throwing mud at them, you can not for one minute pretend that UKIP have not asked for it. You are talking about the most mainstream of parties, capitalising on disillusioned Right wing Tory voters getting elected on the basis of a campaign based on lies and racist diatribes. There is an alternative and that is why locally I supported the TUSC as a true socialist party standing up for the working man and against cuts and in Europe the Green party who believe in keeping the NHS public,paying workers a living wage,defending public services,creating sustainable jobs, protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty,Nationalising rail and Energy companies,abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE and Science funding.

These are things I thought you believed in ? If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is maybe you should stop moaning about it. Instead you are more worried about the slander of the toff Farage who hypocritically draws his wage in a European Parliament he supposedly does not agree with, never turning up to meetings to defend the UK , and all the while ignore the slander of 29 Million Romanians and Bulgarians by the dick whose smug bullshit has managed to hoodwink even you, an educated man.

Im puzzled why you think every body in the UK cares at all about Romanians and Bulgarians etc.
You may care which is fine , however personally I don't care , nor do I want them living anywhere near me , that is my opinion. We are both entitled to it.
Also UKIP haven't hoodwinked me , its more both labour and Conservatives are doing nothing but giving away our country . Im hoping it kicks the government up the arse and they actually listen to peoples views from now on.

[Mark TKO]

I started voting Green party when Blair went to Iraq. I have to vote labour for local and general elections because I hate the Tories to get in.

I've never voted as never yet seen a politician I trust

What are you doing to learn to trust a mp? It sounds a covenant excuse not to vote because you are being lazy.

I know a couple of former MPs (one 20+ years) very well. Have downed a fair few bottles of vodka with them till the early hours - the stories they can tell.... All I'll say is they may be friends but I wouldn't trust either...and I've told them that. My never having voted annoys the hell out of them I can tell you.

But fuck right off anyway you knobhead

[Master]

I started voting Green party when Blair went to Iraq. I have to vote labour for local and general elections because I hate the Tories to get in.

I've never voted as never yet seen a politician I trust

What are you doing to learn to trust a mp? It sounds a covenant excuse not to vote because you are being lazy.

I know a couple of former MPs (one 20+ years) very well. Have downed a fair few bottles of vodka with them till the early hours - the stories they can tell.... All I'll say is they may be friends but I wouldn't trust either...and I've told them that. My never having voted annoys the hell out of them I can tell you.

But fuck right off anyway you knobhead

MP's have changed since then, they are not as corrupt now.

[Bo-Bo24]

I voted for Labour but like many people have already stated, I'm dissilusioned with the party under Ed Miliband. The party lacks direction, I mistakenly believed Labour would become more left wing after he relied on the TUC to win the leadership. Because of the unpopularity of the coalition government Ed Miliband's very lucky that his party are on course to scrape a win in the next general election. Personally I'm looking forward to Chuka Umunna, the current shadow business secretary, taking over the party in the future.

[Beanz]

I don't vote domestically at all anymore as just as I lay no claims on the state, I also expect them to have no claims on me. I can register as an overseas voter, but I see no point in making such an effort. I also understand the views of those who say their vote makes no difference. UKIP is suggesting that at least there is another party on the horizon, but in truth, asides from immigration, I don't really have very much in common with UKIP. In a way UKIP's rise might be the shake up that's needed as all three of the other parties should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, particularly in the way they have allowed unchecked immigration, student debt to rise exponentially, an allegiance to the most corrupt banking in the world, another housing bubble, a police state (with no explanation), fracking and continued privatisation (including now the NHS). It's hardly even voting for the lesser of evils looking at such policies. It's a mess and maybe the ballot box isn't the way to go anymore. I think the recent slander of Farage by the main parties and the media has been atrocious too and it has actually made me think more favourably of him too. He is up against pure scum who would much rather throw mud pies than sort themselves out in the interests of their people. It has never been more clear just how warped the British establishment is.

Eton schoolboy pieces of trash all cloned in the same schoolyard factory. People probably want someone genuine who won't be bought by the banks or US dictators.

I think for many people, yourself included, it's just easier to be cynical and shrug their shoulders and think what difference does it make than to really investigate the alternatives and actually bother trying to engender change. Whilst the BBC and others have probably unwittingly given UKIP huge publicity and shot themselves in the foot by throwing mud at them, you can not for one minute pretend that UKIP have not asked for it. You are talking about the most mainstream of parties, capitalising on disillusioned Right wing Tory voters getting elected on the basis of a campaign based on lies and racist diatribes. There is an alternative and that is why locally I supported the TUSC as a true socialist party standing up for the working man and against cuts and in Europe the Green party who believe in keeping the NHS public,paying workers a living wage,defending public services,creating sustainable jobs, protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty,Nationalising rail and Energy companies,abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE and Science funding.

These are things I thought you believed in ? If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is maybe you should stop moaning about it. Instead you are more worried about the slander of the toff Farage who hypocritically draws his wage in a European Parliament he supposedly does not agree with, never turning up to meetings to defend the UK , and all the while ignore the slander of 29 Million Romanians and Bulgarians by the dick whose smug bullshit has managed to hoodwink even you, an educated man.

Im puzzled why you think every body in the UK cares at all about Romanians and Bulgarians etc.
You may care which is fine , however personally I don't care , nor do I want them living anywhere near me , that is my opinion. We are both entitled to it.
Also UKIP haven't hoodwinked me , its more both labour and Conservatives are doing nothing but giving away our country . Im hoping it kicks the government up the arse and they actually listen to peoples views from now on.

I don't think that most people in the UK care at all about Romanians and Hungarians, but that is clearly something that worries UKIP. Immigration and it seems particularly that from new members of the European Union from eastern Europe is the ONLY ISSUE that UKIP have campaigned on. It makes up the entirety of their manifesto. Farrage himself has admitted that the previous 400 odd page document they campaigned on was full of meaningless drivel. Nigel was asked what the difference between having a German family (like his German wife) and a Romanian Family moving in next door would be and he clearly admitted he would not want Romanians living next door. That is clearly a distinction made on race and represents the thin end of an extremely ugly wedge. I will not make that distinction because frankly I think it is un British. Unlike the Nazis in the war we treated German prisoners of war with respect whilst they gassed people to death because of their ethnicity. Whilst Farrage who is clearly no more English than Napoleon might not be advocating the gas chamber he is clearly singling out ethnicities as different and capitalising on the public's fear to get into power.

What does he actually stand for though ? will he make the city pay back the taxpayer what it swindled them out of ? Will he lower taxes for the working man? will he empower small British businesses and reverse the privatisation of public services ? No he will not so he is not offering a real alternative. What happens if we leave the EU ? Do we have to send Lidl back home and all the Polish dentists and Romanian health workers? Do we return the European grants that have stopped British companies, farms and heritage sites going into liquidation and rack and ruin ?

Europe may not be the answer to all of Britain's unique national problems but It is also not the evil bogeyman that UKIP and others make it out to be. I can fully understand people becoming frustrated and fed up with the conventional three parties campaigning on one promise and then governing with another diametrically opposed position when they get into power, but for me there are a host of more viable alternatives to UKIP if people want to register a protest vote. There are many, many parties outside of the top three.

[Bo-Bo24]

I don't vote domestically at all anymore as just as I lay no claims on the state, I also expect them to have no claims on me. I can register as an overseas voter, but I see no point in making such an effort. I also understand the views of those who say their vote makes no difference. UKIP is suggesting that at least there is another party on the horizon, but in truth, asides from immigration, I don't really have very much in common with UKIP. In a way UKIP's rise might be the shake up that's needed as all three of the other parties should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, particularly in the way they have allowed unchecked immigration, student debt to rise exponentially, an allegiance to the most corrupt banking in the world, another housing bubble, a police state (with no explanation), fracking and continued privatisation (including now the NHS). It's hardly even voting for the lesser of evils looking at such policies. It's a mess and maybe the ballot box isn't the way to go anymore. I think the recent slander of Farage by the main parties and the media has been atrocious too and it has actually made me think more favourably of him too. He is up against pure scum who would much rather throw mud pies than sort themselves out in the interests of their people. It has never been more clear just how warped the British establishment is.

Eton schoolboy pieces of trash all cloned in the same schoolyard factory. People probably want someone genuine who won't be bought by the banks or US dictators.

I think for many people, yourself included, it's just easier to be cynical and shrug their shoulders and think what difference does it make than to really investigate the alternatives and actually bother trying to engender change. Whilst the BBC and others have probably unwittingly given UKIP huge publicity and shot themselves in the foot by throwing mud at them, you can not for one minute pretend that UKIP have not asked for it. You are talking about the most mainstream of parties, capitalising on disillusioned Right wing Tory voters getting elected on the basis of a campaign based on lies and racist diatribes. There is an alternative and that is why locally I supported the TUSC as a true socialist party standing up for the working man and against cuts and in Europe the Green party who believe in keeping the NHS public,paying workers a living wage,defending public services,creating sustainable jobs, protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty,Nationalising rail and Energy companies,abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE and Science funding.

These are things I thought you believed in ? If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is maybe you should stop moaning about it. Instead you are more worried about the slander of the toff Farage who hypocritically draws his wage in a European Parliament he supposedly does not agree with, never turning up to meetings to defend the UK , and all the while ignore the slander of 29 Million Romanians and Bulgarians by the dick whose smug bullshit has managed to hoodwink even you, an educated man.

Im puzzled why you think every body in the UK cares at all about Romanians and Bulgarians etc.
You may care which is fine , however personally I don't care , nor do I want them living anywhere near me , that is my opinion. We are both entitled to it.
Also UKIP haven't hoodwinked me , its more both labour and Conservatives are doing nothing but giving away our country . Im hoping it kicks the government up the arse and they actually listen to peoples views from now on.

I don't think that most people in the UK care at all about Romanians and Hungarians, but that is clearly something that worries UKIP. Immigration and it seems particularly that from new members of the European Union from eastern Europe is the ONLY ISSUE that UKIP have campaigned on. It makes up the entirety of their manifesto. Farrage himself has admitted that the previous 400 odd page document they campaigned on was full of meaningless drivel. Nigel was asked what the difference between having a German family (like his German wife) and a Romanian Family moving in next door would be and he clearly admitted he would not want Romanians living next door. That is clearly a distinction made on race and represents the thin end of an extremely ugly wedge. I will not make that distinction because frankly I think it is un British. Unlike the Nazis in the war we treated German prisoners of war with respect whilst they gassed people to death because of their ethnicity. Whilst Farrage who is clearly no more English than Napoleon might not be advocating the gas chamber he is clearly singling out ethnicities as different and capitalising on the public's fear to get into power.

What does he actually stand for though ? will he make the city pay back the taxpayer what it swindled them out of ? Will he lower taxes for the working man? will he empower small British businesses and reverse the privatisation of public services ? No he will not so he is not offering a real alternative. What happens if we leave the EU ? Do we have to send Lidl back home and all the Polish dentists and Romanian health workers? Do we return the European grants that have stopped British companies, farms and heritage sites going into liquidation and rack and ruin ?

Europe may not be the answer to all of Britain's unique national problems but It is also not the evil bogeyman that UKIP and others make it out to be. I can fully understand people becoming frustrated and fed up with the conventional three parties campaigning on one promise and then governing with another diametrically opposed position when they get into power, but for me there are a host of more viable alternatives to UKIP if people want to register a protest vote. There are many, many parties outside of the top three.

Yeah on the radio when asked what the difference between a family of Romanians and a family of Germans moving in nextdoor he replied 'You know the difference.' He also switches between the use of 'Roma' and 'Romanian' to try and portray all Romanians coming to England as pretty nasty Gypsies. But when he was asked Romania should never be let into the EU he said it was 'because of their treatment of minorities like the Roma.' I can't believe the ignorance of the man. My only hope is that people are voting for them soley because of the unhappiness with the coalition, not because they believe anything UKIP say.

[Gandalf]

I don't vote domestically at all anymore as just as I lay no claims on the state, I also expect them to have no claims on me. I can register as an overseas voter, but I see no point in making such an effort. I also understand the views of those who say their vote makes no difference. UKIP is suggesting that at least there is another party on the horizon, but in truth, asides from immigration, I don't really have very much in common with UKIP. In a way UKIP's rise might be the shake up that's needed as all three of the other parties should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, particularly in the way they have allowed unchecked immigration, student debt to rise exponentially, an allegiance to the most corrupt banking in the world, another housing bubble, a police state (with no explanation), fracking and continued privatisation (including now the NHS). It's hardly even voting for the lesser of evils looking at such policies. It's a mess and maybe the ballot box isn't the way to go anymore. I think the recent slander of Farage by the main parties and the media has been atrocious too and it has actually made me think more favourably of him too. He is up against pure scum who would much rather throw mud pies than sort themselves out in the interests of their people. It has never been more clear just how warped the British establishment is.

Eton schoolboy pieces of trash all cloned in the same schoolyard factory. People probably want someone genuine who won't be bought by the banks or US dictators.

I think for many people, yourself included, it's just easier to be cynical and shrug their shoulders and think what difference does it make than to really investigate the alternatives and actually bother trying to engender change. Whilst the BBC and others have probably unwittingly given UKIP huge publicity and shot themselves in the foot by throwing mud at them, you can not for one minute pretend that UKIP have not asked for it. You are talking about the most mainstream of parties, capitalising on disillusioned Right wing Tory voters getting elected on the basis of a campaign based on lies and racist diatribes. There is an alternative and that is why locally I supported the TUSC as a true socialist party standing up for the working man and against cuts and in Europe the Green party who believe in keeping the NHS public,paying workers a living wage,defending public services,creating sustainable jobs, protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty,Nationalising rail and Energy companies,abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE and Science funding.

These are things I thought you believed in ? If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is maybe you should stop moaning about it. Instead you are more worried about the slander of the toff Farage who hypocritically draws his wage in a European Parliament he supposedly does not agree with, never turning up to meetings to defend the UK , and all the while ignore the slander of 29 Million Romanians and Bulgarians by the dick whose smug bullshit has managed to hoodwink even you, an educated man.

Firstly, I will say that I haven't been hoodwinked by anyone. Recent articles show that the numbers of people from Bulgaria and Romania for the first three months of the year is already substantial. Off my head something around 30,000 which as a comparison is about the same as the number of teachers here all with degrees and from developed nations after 30 years. A big difference - 3 months and 30,000! Now like I always said, let's look at the numbers a year or even a couple of years from now. Allowing uncontrolled immigration without any checks on quality will bring a flood and thus all the negative social consequences that come with it. Controlled immigration is the point.

In terms of me not voting. Well, as someone who doesn't contribute to the system I don't think I need to vote and especially when I now view the entire system as illegitimate. A system with a monarch, a parasitic political class, first past the post, banking corruption, economic apartheid etc is not democratic. Instead my views are something more anarchic and I see the system more as a city led occupation than anything else. Just as Israel builds settlements, we import immigrants and don't even build new settlements thus reducing wages, creating resentment, property bubbles, and a new feudalism with permanent apartheid economic systems. I don't think taking part in or supporting such a system is rational. Voting makes them think they have a mandate and they don't. I want nothing to do with it and I have taken the most dramatic steps to show that. I am angry about the choices I have had to make and the choices they continue to make to make it impossible for young people to succeed. It is worse than ever and they do nothing to rectify the mess that they have made.

Admittedly a vote for the Greens would be a vote in favor of policies I prefer, but my one vote from nowhere is tiny and like I say, the way I look at it is leave me alone and I will leave you alone. The amount of people voting for them would suggest that most don't think like me or you and therefore they are getting what they deserve by validating Westminster cronies. The rise of UKIP is a kind of waking up, but it is a 2 policy party only. Immigration and Europe is not enough when the rest is Conservatism. If I was living there, I would be more active and trying, but instead, I am simply trying to be what you term 'the good immigrant' and after years of wavering am moving on, so please don't attack me as though my vote is anything. If I vote Green it's still the same percentage point and nothing changes. It is cynical and bleak, but it's honest.

[Dark Lord Al]

Politicians all talk drivel im just hoping someone does something about immigration , as we are full. The conservatives and labour put use in the mess we are , they talk and do nothing. UKIP'S rise in the number of votes is because the rest have failed us big time.
Looks like the French etc have voted to stop immigration also.

[Dark Lord Al]

Politicians all talk drivel im just hoping someone does something about immigration , as we are full. The conservatives and labour put use in the mess we are , they talk and do nothing. UKIP'S rise in the number of votes is because the rest have failed us big time.
Looks like the French etc have voted to stop immigration also.

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You may not agree but I don't want to see filth like this on my streets. This is England and this is not acceptable and I cannot accept that anyone here wants this on their doorstep , or if you do please say.

[Gandalf]

I read all these articles and forget what I have read and seemingly I only had the Romanian numbers stored in my head. Combined with Bulgarians seemingly over 45,000 people from these two countries have registered for national insurance numbers in the first 3 months of 2014. Now obviously, this would only be the numbers of registered immigrants, so it's anyones guess how many are out undercutting honest workers and doing it on the sly. Logically you would assume it to be be far higher than 45,000.

45,000 is the size of a small town and it isn't as though new homes are being built in the UK which is in the middle of a housing bubble designed for fat Dave to get reelected as there are no other rabbits in the hat. Cue another housing and stocks collapse and thousands made homeless and bankrupt as interest rates creep up even a little bit. Then the rentier class can gobble all the houses up and rent them to families with 3 to a room who pool together and do whatever whilst another generation of Brits is lost into the ether or pushed into the workhouse or forced to evacuate and Victorian Britain comes back into vogue with the splendid addition of a police state. But of course the NHS must go, meanwhile the biggest predator and destroyer of lives, the RBS, must be protected at all costs. It's a joke and these people have no credibility or legitimacy and are the vilest and lowest of all human forms. I'm sick of them and my vote counts for nothing nor for anybody else in an age of bailouts, privatisation, student debt, immigration, Europe etc etc. None of this was voted for by a public mandate, none of it. It is completely illegitimate.

50,000 Romanian and Bulgarian migrants applied for work in UK in 3 months | Mail Online

[Dark Lord Al]

The simple fact is UKIP just won seats in the European election , so it seems lots of people agree with them .

[Master]

Politicians all talk drivel im just hoping someone does something about immigration , as we are full. The conservatives and labour put use in the mess we are , they talk and do nothing. UKIP'S rise in the number of votes is because the rest have failed us big time.
Looks like the French etc have voted to stop immigration also.

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You may not agree but I don't want to see filth like this on my streets. This is England and this is not acceptable and I cannot accept that anyone here wants this on their doorstep , or if you do please say.

Why do you see them as filth? They are women having sandwiches and enjoying conversation.