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    Default Tyson at welterweight.

    Tysons speed, defence, head movement and power have to be an issue for everyone..

    And perhaps discuss any of the other legends at a chosen weight.

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    The myth of Tyson is far far far far far greater than the fighter was. He had amazing physical abilities but not only was he a nutcase while his knowledge of the sport was superb his ring smarts were practically non-existent. He was a robot. They called out numbered combinations and he followed orders.

    If he were a welterweight he still would have great physical gifts but he'd be facing technically superior boxers that would expose his limitations mentally.

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    Default Re: Tyson at welterweight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    The myth of Tyson is far far far far far greater than the fighter was. He had amazing physical abilities but not only was he a nutcase while his knowledge of the sport was superb his ring smarts were practically non-existent. He was a robot. They called out numbered combinations and he followed orders.

    If he were a welterweight he still would have great physical gifts but he'd be facing technically superior boxers that would expose his limitations mentally.
    That's bunch of crap hahah

    Tyson was VERY stable when proper people were around him. He had a unique fighting style that would be a surprise for many many great fighters. Yes, without further adjustments, somebody would figure him out like Razor Ruddock and may even beat him.
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    Default Re: Tyson at welterweight.

    If he could have carried his power down, he would have been one of the hardest punching heavyweights to ever fight at welterweight. Fact.

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    Default Re: Tyson at welterweight.

    Hypothetically, if Mike Tyson were scaled down his welterweight opponents would not have the huge size and strength advantages they did at heavy.

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    Default Re: Tyson at welterweight.

    How about Tyson at cruiser weight? That's a bit more realistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    The myth of Tyson is far far far far far greater than the fighter was. He had amazing physical abilities but not only was he a nutcase while his knowledge of the sport was superb his ring smarts were practically non-existent. He was a robot. They called out numbered combinations and he followed orders.

    If he were a welterweight he still would have great physical gifts but he'd be facing technically superior boxers that would expose his limitations mentally.
    What fighter beat him in his prime?

    Pre buster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    The myth of Tyson is far far far far far greater than the fighter was. He had amazing physical abilities but not only was he a nutcase while his knowledge of the sport was superb his ring smarts were practically non-existent. He was a robot. They called out numbered combinations and he followed orders.

    If he were a welterweight he still would have great physical gifts but he'd be facing technically superior boxers that would expose his limitations mentally.
    What fighter beat him in his prime?

    Pre buster?
    Technically superior?

    Mike Tyson's technical abilities were fantastic while he was with the team that understood the number punching system as you pointed out.

    His footwork and head movement are among the best ever. His jab could land easily on undefeated 6,5" defending world champions.

    Who in the welterweight division or any division can avoid getting hit just with their head movement? Rather than clinching?

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    Default Re: Tyson at welterweight.

    Ok but say Tyson went vegan and did lots of cocaine in his prime, and then had one of his legs amputated to actually make 147. would he have had a punchers chance against some top guys

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    Default Re: Tyson at welterweight.

    Tyson would be very short, if we say the average welter weight is 5 foot 8 inches then Tyson would be 5 foot 3 and other than his punch power most elite welterweights would be able to avoid his punches.
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    Default Re: Tyson at welterweight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Tyson would be very short, if we say the average welter weight is 5 foot 8 inches then Tyson would be 5 foot 3 and other than his punch power most elite welterweights would be able to avoid his punches.
    No, if we are talking scaling him down, the man was a phenomenon at heavy, why all of a sudden wouldn't he be physically special at welter?

    The massive heavies who had a bigger size advantage couldn't avoid his punches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Tyson would be very short, if we say the average welter weight is 5 foot 8 inches then Tyson would be 5 foot 3 and other than his punch power most elite welterweights would be able to avoid his punches.
    No, if we are talking scaling him down, the man was a phenomenon at heavy, why all of a sudden wouldn't he be physically special at welter?

    The massive heavies who had a bigger size advantage couldn't avoid his punches.
    Tyson never fought a great heavyweight or the equivalent great welterweight would be Ray Robinson or Leonard. Tyson would not be able to beat them.
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    Default Re: Tyson at welterweight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Tyson would be very short, if we say the average welter weight is 5 foot 8 inches then Tyson would be 5 foot 3 and other than his punch power most elite welterweights would be able to avoid his punches.
    No, if we are talking scaling him down, the man was a phenomenon at heavy, why all of a sudden wouldn't he be physically special at welter?

    The massive heavies who had a bigger size advantage couldn't avoid his punches.
    Tyson never fought a great heavyweight or the equivalent great welterweight would be Ray Robinson or Leonard. Tyson would not be able to beat them.
    Larry Holmes is in everyones top ten?

    He was 2 years past his fight with Spinks but its the Way Mike beat him. Holyfield is rated higher than Mike but he struggled against Holmes 4 years later and that included another 3 years out and a win over Mercer.

    Ray Robinson lost to LaMotta, Leonard lost to Duran. Pressure fighters. Pressure fighters who didn't have Mikes power, speed or intensity.

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    Default Re: Tyson at welterweight.

    Tyson never fought a guy as fast as Pacquiao, how would he have dealt with that if he was 4'9?

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    Default Re: Tyson at welterweight.

    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    Tyson never fought a guy as fast as Pacquiao, how would he have dealt with that if he was 4'9?
    Has Pacquaio ever fought someone as fast as Tyson? As hard to hit?

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