Genaro Hernandez: It was his last fight vs. Floyd and he said prior to the fight he was going to retire right after because he wasn't at his best any longer. You left that out.
Castillo: Unranked p4p, beat Floyd in the first fight and not much more than a solid pro fighter. I give Floyd credit for taking him on with no tune up, and he was a solid win, but lets keep it in perspective.
Judah: JUDAH? Pancaked in two rounds by Kostya and beaten up by limited Baldomir?? HAHAHA. What a joke. Complete joke of a thread. Floyd adjusted after 4 rounds?? Judah is NOTORIOUS for fading after four rounds.
Oscar: WAY passed his best. Nowhere near what he was in his prime. You give Hop zero credit for the win, which I agree with, so Floyd gets even less. Garbage win and he had to come from behind when Oscar stopped jabbing.
Canelo: Good win? Cause he is so experienced and so effective against slick boxers, right? Because he was SO dominant vs. elite boxers like Lara and Trout. Come on buddy. One other clown on this post thread already has Canelo as a HOFer. What a joke. The kid is green and is only effective counter punching. Weak win for Floyd.
Floyd wins over p4p ranked guys (at time of fight): Chico (#6), Hatton (#7), Mosely (#3) and JMM (#5). Mosely may have been overrated coming off Margarito win and JMM was jumping up two weight classes.
Hop wins over p4p: Tito (#2), Winky (#3), Tarver (#7), Pavilik (#5). Tito had destroyed Joppy, the #2 middleweight in his previous fight, Hop jumped up to fight Tarver and met Pavilik at 170. Only Winky was the underdog of that group.
Hop additional fights vs. p4p: Roy Jones (#10): Hands down better than anyone Floyd ever fought. Not even close, Floyd has never faced anyone as good as Jones or even in the vicinity. Joe C. (#2): Hop was well past his best and lost a disputed decision to the prime, undefeated HOFer. Floyd never fought anyone on Calzaghes level.
There is no debate as to who had the better opposition. Not even close. Only delusional Floyd cheerleaders can even suggest that there is a realistic debate. I can see the case for guys ranking Floyd higher because they favor his consistency and brilliance in the ring, but it is laughable when clowns come on here and try and say with a straight face that there is room for debate over quality of opposition. Hop fought much tougher comp, which is why he has more losses on his record.
Ironic how you called my opinion bias yet you were super bias in your post. I don't consider it bias what I wrote. I am just saying what I think is true. Plus, I am no more of a Floyd can than a Bhop fan. If anything, I like Bhop more.
And I made a point at the end of my original post that you could make an argument whose opposition was better but IMO I think that Floyd has the better wins.
That was brought up in response to a claim that Hopkins took every tough fight offered and only cared about legacy. He ducked Calzaghe in the early 2000s, that's indisputable. Whether he fought him or not eventually is irrelevant.
mikeeod . He thinks he's really smart and can present some good points from time to time but his insecurities always betray him.
Buddy, you don't have to put everyone down at the end of your posts. It's kind of pathetic and shows you don't really believe your arguments are strong enough on their own.
You can not blame Hopkins for not taking Joe at super middle. He use Joe as a negotiating tool to get Oscar which was a bigger money and easier fight.
Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.
For the record, I don't blame Hopkins for not jumping up to face Calzaghe, every champ in the history of boxing has done the same kind of thing. I'm just saying we should stop being naive children about it and pretending people only care about legacy and don't factor in risk/reward. It's just silly.
Last edited by Beanflicker; 11-16-2014 at 10:10 PM.
Plenty of us old guys in here as you put it, are more with Floyd on this one.
Trouble is people like to run off into extremes trying to prove a piece.
Both are great, both have steered their way through to a degree, one more than the other, but that one has more more ring skill,so it all evens its self out.
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