What Era had the Most Talented HeavyWeights?

[Master]

Tunney was a skilled boxer, that video clip shows that! Tunney was fighting a old but still fierce Dempsey and handles him with ease. What more do you need to see?

I don't need to see anything, I never said Tunney wasn't a skilled boxer. I'm wondering what he does better than Wlad.

Not get knocked out for a start.

[Max Power]

So in essence and based on the criteria of seen little or none, by extension,

You going to offer your expert analysis on how Tunney is better than Wlad, or are you just going to quote statistics and names at me?

The only thing that Gene Tunney and Wladimir Klitschko have in common is that they were at different points in history both CALLED "heavyweight". That is it!

Wladimir Klitschko is approximately 5-6 weight classes above Tunney in effect.

If you WANT to compare Tunney to a modern boxer, fine, but ATLEAST make that comparison to the modern day LHW's and CW's for christ sake.

Kovalev KO3 Tunney lol

[Max Power]

Tunney was a skilled boxer, that video clip shows that! Tunney was fighting a old but still fierce Dempsey and handles him with ease. What more do you need to see?

I don't need to see anything, I never said Tunney wasn't a skilled boxer. I'm wondering what he does better than Wlad.

Not get knocked out for a start.

In heavyweight boxing, even the best fighters lose sometimes and get knocked out sometimes. Only a very few ever escape this fate.

Does it lessen any of them? OF course not! What your basically claiming here is that guys like Dempsey/Marciano are better than all the other champs that did get knocked out.

Completely ignoring the fact that these 2 boxers in particular fought in the war eras where the talent took a MASSIVE dive, and neither man ever even FOUGHT a decent 200+ HW, let alone beat one!

Want to know what would happen if Puritty or Sanders got unleashed against Jack Dempsey?

Purrity would score a touch down.
And Sanders would land a hole in one!

[Master]

Greynotsoold said other than the size the skill of these fighters like Wlad were not on par with Tunney.

You bring sanders and purity into this just shows the stupidity of your argument. What skill do they have compared to Tunney.

[SlimTrae]

OH come on now Tunney is a great fighter ahead of his time but for fuck sack one jab for Wlad and its over pretty fucking much. The hw division is not like others there no limit to it and fuckers have gotten bigger since the 1920's. Reason i have respect for Holyfeild he actually moved up and beat monsters. I mean dont get me wrong Tunney is a great fighter but i rank him more as a lhw then a hw today think he be ok at lhw but put him in with skilled big guy who out weighs him 50 to 60 pounds the guy is kinda fucked pretty much dude.

hahaha...friggin hilarious.
oh, good points as well

[SlimTrae]

Roy jones won the HW title @ 190lbs.
Sure Tunney in theory isnt Rjj, and Ruiz wasnt the best of his era, but it should factor in:If Tunney was ahead of his time then, same for today.
Even Floyd Patterson was considered small for his day, but if there is an example of a small man hanging with the best, I feel Tunney would've been that example over Patterson as well as Marciano. All threee didnt weigh much, but I think...Tunney would have the most success in any era as a small HW.

[Max Power]

Greynotsoold said other than the size the skill of these fighters like Wlad were not on par with Tunney.

You bring sanders and purity into this just shows the stupidity of your argument. What skill do they have compared to Tunney.

Sanders is more skilled than Tunney. He has exceptional handspeed and snaky short southpaw inside shots. Sanders is actually a very good boxer, let down only by his conditioning at times.

Puritty is nothing special in the skills department at all, a convert from Gridiron. But Puritty is so strong and powerful there's no contest.

Neither would ever be allowed to knock out Tunney, no fans would ever see them knock out Tunney, they'd both be accused of a disgusting mismatch were they allowed to, and in effect, they would knock Tunney out with the first connected square punch! And brush off anything from Tunney as if it were nothing.

As for Wladimir, your trying to compare the most perfected technical style of all time by far to a crude drunken-style light HW boxer from 100 years ago?

Want to buy a bridge I'm selling Master?

[Max Power]

Roy jones won the HW title @ 190lbs.
Sure Tunney in theory isnt Rjj, and Ruiz wasnt the best of his era, but it should factor in:If Tunney was ahead of his time then, same for today.
Even Floyd Patterson was considered small for his day, but if there is an example of a small man hanging with the best, I feel Tunney would've been that example over Patterson as well as Marciano. All threee didnt weigh much, but I think...Tunney would have the most success in any era as a small HW.

Roy Jones Jr. was required to weight 200lbs but happened to come in a little lighter than that at weigh in, upper 190's!

Roy Jones Jr. would have run rings and bent around Tunney for as long as he liked and knocked him cold.

Ruiz was a weak champion but he could have EASILY beaten Tunney.

There isn't a modern boxer of any reasonable lever today at HW that Tunney could beat.

SEEEEERiously! LOL

[Master]

Max what are you talking about?

Tunney 191lb v Kovolev 175lb and you think Kov wins!

You are a contradiction.

You say these old heavyweights are too small for the heavyweights today yet James Toney, Roy Jones and Chris Byrd can beat them.

Make up your mind.

[SlimTrae]

Max what are you talking about?

Tunney 191lb v Kovolev 175lb and you think Kov wins!

You are a contradiction.

You say these old heavyweights are too small for the heavyweights today yet James Toney, Roy Jones and Chris Byrd can beat them.

Make up your mind.

Agreed. I didn't even question Rjj vs Tunney.

[Beanflicker]

Yeah but Tunney weighed in at 191 without cutting weight, that was his real weight.

Kovalev cuts weight, weights in at 175 and then goes back up to 190, so they're pretty much the same weight.

[Master]

Yeah but Tunney weighed in at 191 without cutting weight, that was his real weight.

Kovalev cuts weight, weights in at 175 and then goes back up to 190, so they're pretty much the same weight.

Do you think Kov beats Tunney?

[Beanflicker]

Yeah but Tunney weighed in at 191 without cutting weight, that was his real weight.

Kovalev cuts weight, weights in at 175 and then goes back up to 190, so they're pretty much the same weight.

Do you think Kov beats Tunney?

Shit yeah. Different times, different quality athletes.

[Beanflicker]

Am I saying that Kovalev is a better puncher than Jack Dempsey?

Yes I am.

[SlimTrae]

Braddock, Corbett, Marciano and i believe Dempsey all weighed under 200lbs along with Tunney.

Does that eliminate them from defeating today's fighters?
Once again Rjj won the HW title & hadnt knocked out a single fighter in almost a decade. Omar Sheika.
So it is probable that Tunney could have defeated a few top names from the 60s like Floyd Patterson.
70s Bonevena, Chuavelo, 80s if marvis Frazier got a title shot, Tunney wouldn't have?
And if Tunney's defense can evade a clean shot from Michael moorer, he might have outboxed him as well as the guy Moorer got the title back from: Axel Schultz.

It's all pure speculation, but what is factual?
How many here claim that the Klitshko bros are in a weak era, then turn around and defend it.
Oh Tunney couldnt beat guys in this weak era...