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    Default Sonny Liston ~ "I Negotiated Both Contracts For My Bouts With Cassius Clay"

    Just revealed,

    Charles 'Sonny' Liston negotiated all '3' Fight Contracts for his bouts
    with Cassius Clay.

    The '1st' contract for the February 24, 1964 bout included an 'iron clad'
    Rematch Clause, and the rights to '3' of Cassius Clay's next bouts.

    Included, was a $500,000 buy out fee for each bout.

    The '2nd' contract gave Charles 'Sonny' Liston the right to promote
    the bout, under the I-C-P moniker, which was to take place on
    November 17, 1964 at the Boston Garden.

    The 2nd-bout was postponed, as Cassius 'secretly' suffered a Hernia.

    Sonny then received his $500,000 'insurance payment/buy out fee'.

    Sonny Liston used that money for a payment of $250,000 which covered his
    'owed' Federal Income Tax bill, and another $150,000 to cover the cost of a
    home in Las Vegas and another $100,000 to cover some personal debts.

    To keep things quiet, Sonny did not take possession of the home until
    6-Months after the 'fixed' 2nd-Bout.

    The 3rd Fight Contract {for the 2nd bout on May 25, 1965} gave Sonny Boy
    the rights to '2' of Cassius' future bouts.

    Charles 'Sonny' Liston >

    "I made 3-times more money losing, than winning. And, I owned Cassius
    Clay for '3' bouts."

    "Life Was Grand."
    Last edited by Bill Paxtom; 11-19-2014 at 02:49 AM.

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    Default Re: Sonny Liston ~ "I Negotiated Both Contracts For My Bouts With Cassius Clay"

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom View Post
    Just revealed,

    Charles 'Sonny' Liston negotiated all '3' Fight Contracts for his bouts
    with Cassius Clay.

    The '1st' contract for the February 24, 1964 bout included an 'iron clad'
    Rematch Clause, and the rights to '3' of Cassius Clay's next bouts.

    Included, was a $500,000 buy out fee for each bout.

    The '2nd' contract gave Charles 'Sonny' Liston the right to promote
    the bout, under the I-C-P moniker, which was to take place on
    November 17, 1964 at the Boston Garden.

    The 2nd-bout was postponed, as Cassius 'secretly' suffered a Hernia.

    Sonny then received his $500,000 'insurance payment/buy out fee'.

    Sonny Liston used that money for a payment of $250,000 which covered his
    'owed' Federal Income Tax bill, and another $150,000 to cover the cost of a
    home in Las Vegas and another $100,000 to cover some personal debts.

    To keep things quiet, Sonny did not take possession of the home until
    6-Months after the 'fixed' 2nd-Bout.

    The 3rd Fight Contract {for the 2nd bout on May 25, 1965} gave Sonny Boy
    the rights to '2' of Cassius' future bouts.

    Charles 'Sonny' Liston >

    "I made 3-times more money losing, than winning. And, I owned Cassius
    Clay for '3' bouts."

    "Life Was Grand."
    Clay should have lost points for running like a little bitch in both fights.

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    Default Re: Sonny Liston ~ "I Negotiated Both Contracts For My Bouts With Cassius Clay"

    Mr B.B.

    I wouldn't say that Cassius ran.

    He kind of 'skipped' like a Fancy Boy.

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    Default Re: Sonny Liston ~ "I Negotiated Both Contracts For My Bouts With Cassius Clay"

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom View Post
    Mr B.B.

    I wouldn't say that Cassius ran.

    He kind of 'skipped' like a Fancy Boy.
    yeah the Limp Dick Skip bwahahahaaa Veronica Porsche mentioned that too

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    Charles 'Sonny' Liston

    I'm a businessman first, and a boxer second. I go where the money is.
    Ain't no Fucking Trophy or Belt going to buy me a new Cadillac.

    And I like a new Cadillac every year. Whether I beat Clay or not, makes
    no difference to me. As long as I get paid, that is what matters.

    I'm in a no lose situation, as I have a contract {rematch} for other bouts
    in the future.

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    Did Liston text you these statements?

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    Default Re: Sonny Liston ~ "I Negotiated Both Contracts For My Bouts With Cassius Clay"

    Quote Originally Posted by ruthless rocco View Post
    Did Liston text you these statements?
    Actually, my old neighbor was one of his Charles Liston's attorneys.

    Quote

    "Sonny liked money, especially other peoples dough."

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    Default Re: Sonny Liston ~ "I Negotiated Both Contracts For My Bouts With Cassius Clay"

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ruthless rocco View Post
    Did Liston text you these statements?
    Actually, my old neighbor was one of his Charles Liston's attorneys.

    Quote

    "Sonny liked money, especially other peoples dough."
    You are so full of crap! HAhahAHHaha

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    Default Re: Sonny Liston ~ "I Negotiated Both Contracts For My Bouts With Cassius Clay"

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom View Post
    Charles 'Sonny' Liston

    I'm a businessman first, and a boxer second. I go where the money is.
    Ain't no Fucking Trophy or Belt going to buy me a new Cadillac.

    And I like a new Cadillac every year. Whether I beat Clay or not, makes
    no difference to me. As long as I get paid, that is what matters.

    I'm in a no lose situation, as I have a contract {rematch} for other bouts
    in the future.
    I have a Cadillac and it has been nothing but a headache. Of course I can't buy a new one every year.

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    Default Re: Sonny Liston ~ "I Negotiated Both Contracts For My Bouts With Cassius Clay"

    Sonny Liston

    Likes the Cadillac Brougham, with a Car Telehone.

    He liked to be called 'Top Cat' or Charles when you called him.

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    Default Re: Sonny Liston ~ "I Negotiated Both Contracts For My Bouts With Cassius Clay"

    So what? That may have been the done thing at that time but if Sonny really liked money he makes more by beating Ali and controlling his own destiny. He lost both fights. Ali was superior and he never ran. Watch the first round he ran at Sonny and beat him silly.
    Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.

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    Default Re: Sonny Liston ~ "I Negotiated Both Contracts For My Bouts With Cassius Clay"

    You are incorrect Sir,

    A}
    Sonny had no place to go anymore. Nobody wanted to deal with him, and his
    management team of Jack and Robert Nilon wanted to end their relationship with
    Sonny. They were looking to cash in their 'chips', and deals were to be made.

    B}
    If Sonny Boy defeats Cassius, just who does he fight next. Who can bring in big money.

    Ingemar Johansson was the only one who could bring in big bucks, but only in Sweden,
    as Sonny Boy was banned from fighting in Europe.

    'INGO" could not fight in the United States, as he had owed the Feds big bucks from the
    Floyd Patterson bouts.

    What 'decent' money bouts were out there, had Sonny Boy defeated Cassius Clay in
    February 1964.

    * Eddie Machen ............ No way, despite being the #2 Challenger at the time.
    * Harold Johnson .......... He just lost to Willie Pastrano
    * Doug Jones ............... Too small
    * Floyd Patterson .......... No way for a 3rd Bout
    * Ernie Terrell ............... Maybe, but there was no money
    * George Chuvalo .......... Ahh !!
    * Cleveland Williams ...... Not again.
    * Willie Pastrano ........... Too little
    * Henry Cooper ............ Oh Geez
    Last edited by Bill Paxtom; 11-21-2014 at 12:16 AM.

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    Default Re: Sonny Liston ~ "I Negotiated Both Contracts For My Bouts With Cassius Clay"

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    So what? That may have been the done thing at that time but if Sonny really liked money he makes more by beating Ali and controlling his own destiny. He lost both fights. Ali was superior and he never ran. Watch the first round he ran at Sonny and beat him silly.

    HEY! Don't give Bill such a hard time. He was told all this stuff by his old neighbour while they gave each other deep penetrating massages and talked about the sweaty black fighters from the days of their youth.

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    Default Re: Sonny Liston ~ "I Negotiated Both Contracts For My Bouts With Cassius Clay"

    Ruthless Rocco

    Why you 'filth'.

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    Default Re: Sonny Liston ~ "I Negotiated Both Contracts For My Bouts With Cassius Clay"

    Bill the filth is because you are illogical.

    Sonny makes more money being the champion than if he lost. Simple.
    Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.

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