David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast

[ross]

Nobody in their forties then @ross? Didn't think so.

With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:

You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.

You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.

You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.

You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.

You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well.

Wach is utter shite.

When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.

Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win

[Memphis]

Nobody in their forties then @ross ? Didn't think so.

With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:

You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.

You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.

You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.

You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.

You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well.

Wach is utter shite.

When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.

Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win

This is true. He needed over an hour to accomplish what Haye got done in under 15 minutes but fair play to the lad, he got there in the end

[smashup]

Nobody in their forties then @ross? Didn't think so.

With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:

You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.

You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.

You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.

You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.

You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well.

Wach is utter shite.

When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.

Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win

Winning the Heavyweight title was his best win at the weight Ross.

The facts are that Haye is Box Office and fighters like Fury simply are not and never will be because Fury doesn't entertain when he's in the ring intact he's boring to watch unless he's being interviewed.

Haye knocks people out on a regular basis which is what people love in the Heavyweight division.

It's all a Business Ross.... have you not worked that out yet?

This is why an inactive fighter like Haye has everyone talking about him on the back of a photograph of him having Breakfast with Vitali

He still brings enough money to any fight where he can simply leapfrog the entire division (good thing or bad thing for boxing?) and get straight back into the mix with any top Heavyweight.

[AdamGB]

Nobody in their forties then @ross? Didn't think so.

With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:

You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.

You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.

You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.

You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.

You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well.

Wach is utter shite.

When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.

Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win

Completely failed to refute any of the points I've made.

[Dark Lord Al]

Haye is a wanker for sure and he takes the piss , however he puts bums on seats.
Any HW with power is always exciting.

[Max Power]

The fact is, Hayes whole heavyweight career is just a mirage.

Holyfield looked more convincing against Valuev than Haye did. Catching him with one shot in the last round does not win a fight.

Chisora had 3 losses and his first was to Tyson the credit he gets here is because Chisora was the only fighter he fought that was younger than him (at heavy). Like I said and like everyone knows there were plenty of other fights out there to be made rather than ripping everyone off against Harrison, Ruiz and Barrett (who dropped Haye).

His fight against Wlad was over 3 years ago! He wont have improved. He looked like shit before Chisora gave him his chin on a plate. Contrast that to the man who beat him easily looking his sharpest in his last fight against supposedly the next best in the division. The kind of fighter Haye would have avoided.

I remember a few gullible people jumping on Hayes retirement bandwagon and me saying those same people will all be mugs and get taken in by him again and totally ignore the way he avoided and still does a Fury fight. Hes been asked a few times and gives no credible reply, saying crap like he doesnt deserve a pay day (why sign in the first place?) and not until he beats Wlad. When Fury beats Wlad Haye will sulk like fuck because Fury would have blown Hayes career out of the water

The fact is that Haye could not chance and then live with a loss to Fury as it makes his career look shit because the general consensus which is false is that Fury is crap. He saw what I see. That Tyson is huge, can move, has excellent stamina and can punch and is going to be a difficult animal to beat. It was a gamble that he was going to catch him before he started tiring or got caught himself. It was and still is, too much of a risk to his legacy.

Listen mate, David Haye, at 210 or so lbs, rocked up to the HW division and was out-talled and out-weighed massively! His opponents were good fighters too. And he WASTED them.

Funny, I never seen Holyfield start whacking around all the giant boxers like HE was the big guy!

Nobody has produced the kind of performances like David Haye has ever from Cruiser. He carried his punch like no other, and is in effect, among the fastest and most slickest HW's of all time!

That is a fact^^ undeniable even if you hate him.

[Master]

David Haye is the fastest and most slickest HW's of all time?

Just when I could not think you could get any dumber. You go and say that!

[imp]

Whether you like haye or not he is still one of the best three heavyweights in the world today.

Now get back in the ring and start making history..

You lot will never learn...

How many fights has he had scheduled over the last 2.5 years and how many has he won?

Ross,

Its true.

Whether haye has taken a break or not he is still in the top 3.

We dont have to like him but has the potential to bother anyone and once fit he will be back in the mix.

[Max Power]

David Haye is the fastest and most slickest HW's of all time?

Just when I could not think you could get any dumber. You go and say that!

THIS IS YOUR BIG CHANCE!

Please show me another HW, and I mean your are allowed to pick from ANY era, even when it was sub 200lbs, who was EVER faster and slicker than David Haye?

I dare you to take up this challenge!

[Andre]

How many you want? Just one? Tyson; but you'll have to add harder hitting more flexible and ambidextrous to your list as well.

[ross]

The fact is, Hayes whole heavyweight career is just a mirage.

Holyfield looked more convincing against Valuev than Haye did. Catching him with one shot in the last round does not win a fight.

Chisora had 3 losses and his first was to Tyson the credit he gets here is because Chisora was the only fighter he fought that was younger than him (at heavy). Like I said and like everyone knows there were plenty of other fights out there to be made rather than ripping everyone off against Harrison, Ruiz and Barrett (who dropped Haye).

His fight against Wlad was over 3 years ago! He wont have improved. He looked like shit before Chisora gave him his chin on a plate. Contrast that to the man who beat him easily looking his sharpest in his last fight against supposedly the next best in the division. The kind of fighter Haye would have avoided.

I remember a few gullible people jumping on Hayes retirement bandwagon and me saying those same people will all be mugs and get taken in by him again and totally ignore the way he avoided and still does a Fury fight. Hes been asked a few times and gives no credible reply, saying crap like he doesnt deserve a pay day (why sign in the first place?) and not until he beats Wlad. When Fury beats Wlad Haye will sulk like fuck because Fury would have blown Hayes career out of the water

The fact is that Haye could not chance and then live with a loss to Fury as it makes his career look shit because the general consensus which is false is that Fury is crap. He saw what I see. That Tyson is huge, can move, has excellent stamina and can punch and is going to be a difficult animal to beat. It was a gamble that he was going to catch him before he started tiring or got caught himself. It was and still is, too much of a risk to his legacy.

Listen mate, David Haye, at 210 or so lbs, rocked up to the HW division and was out-talled and out-weighed massively! His opponents were good fighters too. And he WASTED them.

Funny, I never seen Holyfield start whacking around all the giant boxers like HE was the big guy!

Nobody has produced the kind of performances like David Haye has ever from Cruiser. He carried his punch like no other, and is in effect, among the fastest and most slickest HW's of all time!

That is a fact^^ undeniable even if you hate him.

Are you joking?

Who were these amazing heavyweights Haye beat?

The 46 year old Holyfield looked better against Valuev than Haye did!!

[ross]

How many you want? Just one? Tyson; but you'll have to add harder hitting more flexible and ambidextrous to your list as well.

Don't forget takes a better punch and beat 3 defending champions, the lineal champ, defended the unified belts 6 times as the undisputed champ (not done since).

Hayes heavyweight run while ok as he did win a belt does nothing in all time standings and if he is so great in such a poor division he should be up there but the fold hard reality is he has really achieved fuck all at heavy. How many fighters over the last 20 years can say they won a heavyweight title? Loads!!

[Max Power]

How many you want? Just one? Tyson; but you'll have to add harder hitting more flexible and ambidextrous to your list as well.

Tyson was a very fast HW and comparable to Haye.

He is not faster though. But probably one of the closest.

Other choices would be Chris Byrd and Eddie Chambers, but they are featherfists.

You are right that Tyson combined other features more desirable that Haye doesn't have, but I wasn't considering other features.

[Max Power]

How many you want? Just one? Tyson; but you'll have to add harder hitting more flexible and ambidextrous to your list as well.

Don't forget takes a better punch and beat 3 defending champions, the lineal champ, defended the unified belts 6 times as the undisputed champ (not done since).

Hayes heavyweight run while ok as he did win a belt does nothing in all time standings and if he is so great in such a poor division he should be up there but the fold hard reality is he has really achieved fuck all at heavy. How many fighters over the last 20 years can say they won a heavyweight title? Loads!!

I agree with your post in full ross.

Like I said, Tyson has other features I wasn't considering. And yes, I don't MEAN to overrate Haye's achievements. But I will acknowledge them for what they are.

A problem on all these forums, is that you can either SLAM a boxers achievements or totally exaggerate it. But if you try to take the middle road and look at them objectively, you get scalded from both sides of the fence!

[Andre]

Well thank God for that.
I thought Id slept through Christmas and woke up on Aprils fools day for a second there.