General Election 2015

[superheavyrhun]

I'd vote for the SNP if they had candidates in Wales. Unfortunately, we're lumbered with the rather less attractive option of Plaid Cymru, so I'll probably be making a choice between the Greens and Lib Dems in a seat that is safe in Labour hands. The debate was fairly entertaining, and at times both Dai Cam and Millibland got taken down a peg or two, but overall I doubt it changes much.

[El Kabong]

Saw the debates last night on PBS in the states. If I could vote, I would vote Labour.

Good man.

Aren't you voting Green?

Green is currently in in Brighton Pavilion. That starts two streets away from me. I fall into Hove so will be voting Labour. But anybody that doesn't say Tories or UKIP deserves a 'good man'.

Because of what specifically? Just curious

[Master]

Saw the debates last night on PBS in the states. If I could vote, I would vote Labour.

Good man.

Aren't you voting Green?

Green is currently in in Brighton Pavilion. That starts two streets away from me. I fall into Hove so will be voting Labour. But anybody that doesn't say Tories or UKIP deserves a 'good man'.

Because of what specifically? Just curious

UKIP have one policy and that is ban/control immigration. Tories have widened the gap between rich and poor to an extreme.

[Kirkland Laing]

Numbers and percentages Woti. They're not the same thing. The reason for over half the percentage drop in the labour force participation rate since 2001 is the huge increase in the numbers of the retired population as the baby boomer generation start to retire.

And most surveys of major economies find that the US comes dead last in social mobility. The US has the saame level of social mobility as medieval England.

Alright...


RealClearMarkets - Who Is Dropping Out Of The Labor Force, and Why?
That link is there, you aren't required to read all of it, I'll just give you a little dose of information from it.

" A popular view is that labor force participation is declining because older people are retiring. But since 2000 the labor force participation rates of workers 55 and over have been rising steadily, and the labor force participation rates of workers between 16 and 54 have been declining."

Your rebuttal?

Who holds this "popular view"? There are people who look at the actual numbers and can see that the labour force participation rate has been falling since 2000. Half of the decline is due to the huge numbers of baby boomers retiring -- back before the baby boom the participation rate was in the mid fifties -- and about half is due to the 2008 economic meltdown.

People 55 and older are working more becausae they've lost a ton of money due to the huge changes in income distribution since 1980 and can't afford to retire.

This means that 16-55 unemployment is increased as older people aren't retiring like they used to. Also, too, youth unemployment has jumped dramatically due to the 2008meltdown -- vast numbers of young people worldwide aren't being employed as older workers cling to their jobs as they're unable to afford retirement.

This kind of article is designed to appeal to people who have no idea about how employment demographics change naturally over they years, and they hit their mark with you.


Let's assume however that this stuff is all true and it backs up however it is that you see things. How do you see things? Do you think Kenyan socialism and liberalism in general is destroying the American economy and way of economic life? That the welfare stste is somehow creating a class of people who don't want or need to work?

[Kirkland Laing]

I managed to avoid all of it so far apart from a photograph of Cameron feeding a lamb. What an utter cunt. In honour of that horrific fucking elecyioneering photograph I'm going to post another photograph of David Cameron from his university days.

[El Kabong]

"Who holds this 'popular view' ?"

The reason for over half the percentage drop in the labour force participation rate since 2001 is the huge increase in the numbers of the retired population as the baby boomer generation start to retire.

Uh, you apparently.

People 55 and older are working more

...arguing with yourself? Wow you won't even agree with yourself when debating me, amazing, the Denial is strong with you.

This means that 16-55 unemployment is increased as older people aren't retiring like they used to

Unemployment is only increased when the people in those age ranges are LOOKING FOR WORK. Ask the Obama Administration and they'll tell you that despite 93 million people dropping out of the labor force, the unemployment rate is a paltry 5.5% according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Kenyan socialism and liberalism

Kenyan? No, this has nothing to do with Africa, Keynesian economics perhaps...and yes they are in fact complete horse shit. Socialism does not work it leads to rampant waste and fraud and quickly becomes unsustainable especially when the takers outnumber the makers. Liberalism...that plays a part in the culture of course, because if I'm looking to work, provide for my family, and achieve then I'm a bad guy, I spoil it for all the poor saps out there being lazy for a living.



So I guess the question is now...who do you wish to argue with more, me or yourself?

[superheavyrhun]

Did you see that the UKIP leader has made it into the Judge Dredd comic books as a bad guy?

Bilious Barrage is a pretty good summary of the guy!

Nigel Farage reimagined as unsightly Judge Dredd villain 'Bilious Barrage' - People - News - The Independent

[El Kabong]

Comic books....bastions of conservatism

[superheavyrhun]

Comic books....bastions of conservatism

Conservatism and satire have an uneasy relationship, as the conservatives are generally the ones being satirised. Spitting Image did have equal digs at both sides of the spectrum though.

[brocktonblockbust]

I managed to avoid all of it so far apart from a photograph of Cameron feeding a lamb. What an utter cunt. In honour of that horrific fucking elecyioneering photograph I'm going to post another photograph of David Cameron from his university days.

the people in that photo look like the biggest fucking CUNTS of ALL TIME. Pompous fucking pretentious snide assholes.

[El Kabong]

I found it HILARIOUS that 'V for Vendetta' is seen as this sort of tome of the Left when it's far from it. The comics, the movie, they are anti-totalitarianism nothing more. Sure they try to paint Thatcher, George W. Bush (in the US), and Cameron as horrible controlling totalitarian leaders....but let's take a peak in history and seen who really overstepped their bounds....


FDR anyone? Stacking the court, staying in office for 4 terms, putting Japanese-American citizens in prison camps.


But naaaaah we're worried about "real" threats to people like the banning of artwork and certain books......which causes for one of the unintentionally funniest moments in motion picture history



A closeted gay man secreting away a 14th Century edition of the Quran


Anyone find that the LEAST bit ironic? What does ISIS think of the gays again?


..... oh....they don't look like fans


Also Guy Fawkes, was a papist, a person who wished to return England to the Catholic Church....yet now he's the mask of choice for Trustafarian nitwits protesting the debt those ever so liberal Universities saddled them with. And if words, books, or art was ever to be banned the LEFT would certainly do it's fair share!

[superheavyrhun]

Yup, ISIS seems like a reasonable representative for Islam, in the same way that the Westboro Baptist Church provides a reasonable and balanced representation of Christianity.

The Catholic church has done some ridiculously horrible things, but does that mean I'm not allowed to appreciate the beauty of the artwork in the Vatican?

[El Kabong]

Yup, ISIS seems like a reasonable representative for Islam, in the same way that the Westboro Baptist Church provides a reasonable and balanced representation of Christianity.

The Catholic church has done some ridiculously horrible things, but does that mean I'm not allowed to appreciate the beauty of the artwork in the Vatican?

Alrighty Rhun, which majority Muslim nation should I have selected? Iraq? Iran? Saudi Arabia? Are gays treated any better there?
Gays in Iraq terrorized by threats, rape, murder - CNN.com

Iran’s New Gay Executions - The Daily Beast

Saudi Arabia Beheads Gays, but Marco Rubio Has No Problem With You Traveling There�|�Michelangelo Signorile

...no......no they are not


Yes the Catholic Church HAS done horrible things....and? I mentioned the Catholic Church because of Fawkes' ties to it, and I find it tremendously stupid and ironic that lazy ass Occupy Wall Street idiots and Anarchists in general love using his mask because of what it actually stands for....which is exactly NOT what the people using it stand for.

[superheavyrhun]

Well, you quote a part of a film where a gay man is explaining why he likes the artistically decorated pages of a Quran from the 14th century. You use the actions of ISIS and other fundamentalists to say that the appreciation of that religious art is invalid. The catholic church is another institution that is famous for its stunning religious art in locations around the world.

If you're going to use religious fundamentalism to say that we shouldn't appreciate a particular area of religious art, then the same policy should be taken across the board, whether it is Christian, Muslim, or any other religion which has been used as a justification for atrocities.

[El Kabong]

Well, you quote a part of a film where a gay man is explaining why he likes the artistically decorated pages of a Quran from the 14th century. You use the actions of ISIS and other fundamentalists to say that the appreciation of that religious art is invalid. The catholic church is another institution that is famous for its stunning religious art in locations around the world.

If you're going to use religious fundamentalism to say that we shouldn't appreciate a particular area of religious art, then the same policy should be taken across the board, whether it is Christian, Muslim, or any other religion which has been used as a justification for atrocities.

Dude it's just a ham handed commentary on the acceptance of LGBT people, religious tolerance (for non-Christians), and probably a little bit of a "you're a bigot if you are against illegal immigration" to top it off.