David Haye- wasted talent?

[Max Power]

I dont buy this Haye hate club shite.

I was happy to follow him and travel abroad throughout his career, had many good nights, culminating in one bad one in Hamburg, which most of you were never at, so you dont know the pre-fight hype and aggravation the Klits were pulling.

Following his title win he took money from the so called clever promoters by beating nonentities like Harrison for good money, and who would blame him? Even after he lost the title the same promoters were hosing him down with money to fight Derek Chisora? Would anybody not do it? Its like putting Lewis Hamilton against a VW beetle.

And now we get all this shit from camp Fury about how he was 'frightened' and backed down, how fucking ridiculous. Having told you that I followed all/most of Hayes fights the last ones, against an overhyped Pikey, I never actually bought tickets for, not fucking interested. Having said that I do not doubt that Hayes injuries were genuine, and dont subscribe to the Pikey view that he was 'hiding' from him, why would he? He had easy money against Macaroni, Harrison and Chisora from Warren, why not do it again against an overhyped opponent like Fury?

Get real for christs sake.

Because he wouldn't live with a loss to Fury because of how Fury was perceived but this perception will be reversed within the next year. Even if Fury loses to Wlad (he wont) he will lose while trying to win and wouldn't blame anything on any injury.

Fury will prove to be the better heavyweight and will make mug of all Hayes dopey fans who continue to support him. Kabong and yourself think he's shit so when he beats Wlad what dos that make Wlad and Haye! Utter shitty shit

I like Tyson Fury better than David Haye personally.

But David Haye would have and still would most likely, totally clown Fury and knock him out at some point in the fight.

How could it be otherwise!

Gay as it sounds.. Haye was injured. All the weights fucked his shoulder (he bench presses too much) and the sparring cut was sheer idiocy. But it is what it is.

So when Fury beats Wlad it proves Haye was utter shite?

Oh so Fury even beats Wlad now ey?

Yeah right!

Well hey, I don't want to rip on Fury, he is a good boxer and great opponent for Haye or Wlad. But he is the underdog, make no mistake.

That's putting it nicely @ross

So when Fury beats Wlad that makes Haye and Wlad utter shit?

ha ha. If I say 500 times that I've got a 12 inch dick , will that mean there's more chance of it being true?
Ross, no matter how many times you say it , it doesn't make it any more true or likely. I wouldn't get too excited because it'll be a long time (if ever) before Wlad and Fury share a ring. Time will tell, and I hope you'll be able to recover from the disappointment if Fury does get spectacularly ironed out!

Wont bother me in the slightest. Not as much as all those who keep banging on how shit Fury is and how amazing Haye and Wlad are. When Fury wins its going to turn what they thought they knew upside down. It will be hilarious.

Like I said, when Fury wins, or for the people this seems to upset, if Fury beats Wlad, this totally ruins Haye and Wlads entire career because how could such a shit fighter beat Wlad?

Well I never said Fury was shit.

I said he was a good boxer.

But I can't see him doing what none of the other hopefuls have done in over 10 years.

And he doesn't have the punchers chance to do to Wlad what anybody has been able to do yet either!

Fury's speed (for such a big man) and combinations are a result of him NOT sitting down on his shots, it's a good thing most of the time. But the guys are right above who state that to actually hurt Wlad, he's gonna have to learn how to at some point.

[Max Power]

Haye overacheived as a heavyweight.

I don't buy that for a second! He EASILY beat every other heavyweight he fought and if you're going to tell me "Well those were handpicked opponents" it doesn't much matter they (aside from Monte Barrett) were all still highly rated at the time. I don't know if Haye truly believed he belonged or if he just didn't have the heart to do it, but shit he was certainly skilled enough to be the #2 man in the division he just had to go out and work for it and for whatever reason he didn't.

Haye would not have lasted had it been early 1990's. He would have stayed at cruiserweight.

I don't buy that either. Heavyweights were smaller then and regardless he didn't fight in the 90's and sans time machine he wouldn't so it's a moot point.

I am saying if he did fight during that time he would have stayed at the lower weight.

Yet a slower, shitter, featherfisted boxer of even smaller proportions, far less athletic and skilled and possibly even chinnier (Moorer) DID make it. In fact he even became HW champ.

David Haye would have been one of Lennox's better opponents and would have thrashed most of the 90's HW's beyond any doubt. He was an excellent boxer. How can you take that much away from him?

True Moorer proved chinny- but thats because he had a bangers mentality. Far too many bangers in the 90's who would've pressed Haye into a fight. Haye can outrun a giant of Wlad & Valuev, but the 90's HW's could cut the ring off. Haye loses 2 outta every 4 fights vs U pickem.

Lewis thrashes Haye.

None of the other 90's boxers besides Lewis could move like Wladimir.

Yeah I am sure guys like Rahman and Holyfield would make mincemeat of Haye like a better sparring session. You fool!

We're talking about the HW with some of the fastest and sharpest performance in boxing the world has ever seen here. That's not licking Haye's ass either, that's just stating fact.

[SlimTrae]

Haye overacheived as a heavyweight.

I don't buy that for a second! He EASILY beat every other heavyweight he fought and if you're going to tell me "Well those were handpicked opponents" it doesn't much matter they (aside from Monte Barrett) were all still highly rated at the time. I don't know if Haye truly believed he belonged or if he just didn't have the heart to do it, but shit he was certainly skilled enough to be the #2 man in the division he just had to go out and work for it and for whatever reason he didn't.

Haye would not have lasted had it been early 1990's. He would have stayed at cruiserweight.

I don't buy that either. Heavyweights were smaller then and regardless he didn't fight in the 90's and sans time machine he wouldn't so it's a moot point.

I am saying if he did fight during that time he would have stayed at the lower weight.

Yet a slower, shitter, featherfisted boxer of even smaller proportions, far less athletic and skilled and possibly even chinnier (Moorer) DID make it. In fact he even became HW champ.

David Haye would have been one of Lennox's better opponents and would have thrashed most of the 90's HW's beyond any doubt. He was an excellent boxer. How can you take that much away from him?

True Moorer proved chinny- but thats because he had a bangers mentality. Far too many bangers in the 90's who would've pressed Haye into a fight. Haye can outrun a giant of Wlad & Valuev, but the 90's HW's could cut the ring off. Haye loses 2 outta every 4 fights vs U pickem.

Lewis thrashes Haye.

None of the other 90's boxers besides Lewis could move like Wladimir.
Opinion, not fact, but hey; that's what you do, I guess.

Yeah I am sure guys like Rahman and Holyfield would make mincemeat of Haye like a better sparring session. You fool!
One day you should check out boxing--then you'd learn a few names besides Rahman & Holy. Oh, I forgot, you only post on HW's preferably your boner for Wlad, outside of that your history here shows that's all you post about. I guess 'cause that's all U know? & Just stop looking in the mirror as you type, then a fool won't come so easily to mind. Okay?

We're talking about the HW with some of the fastest and sharpest performance in boxing the world has ever seen here. That's not licking Haye's ass either, that's just stating fact.

Only you could use a pun like "licking ass" of a man. Max Power is back!

[nuggetdotcom]

I dont buy this Haye hate club shite.

I was happy to follow him and travel abroad throughout his career, had many good nights, culminating in one bad one in Hamburg, which most of you were never at, so you dont know the pre-fight hype and aggravation the Klits were pulling.

Following his title win he took money from the so called clever promoters by beating nonentities like Harrison for good money, and who would blame him? Even after he lost the title the same promoters were hosing him down with money to fight Derek Chisora? Would anybody not do it? Its like putting Lewis Hamilton against a VW beetle.

And now we get all this shit from camp Fury about how he was 'frightened' and backed down, how fucking ridiculous. Having told you that I followed all/most of Hayes fights the last ones, against an overhyped Pikey, I never actually bought tickets for, not fucking interested. Having said that I do not doubt that Hayes injuries were genuine, and dont subscribe to the Pikey view that he was 'hiding' from him, why would he? He had easy money against Macaroni, Harrison and Chisora from Warren, why not do it again against an overhyped opponent like Fury?

Get real for christs sake.

Because he wouldn't live with a loss to Fury because of how Fury was perceived but this perception will be reversed within the next year. Even if Fury loses to Wlad (he wont) he will lose while trying to win and wouldn't blame anything on any injury.

Fury will prove to be the better heavyweight and will make mug of all Hayes dopey fans who continue to support him. Kabong and yourself think he's shit so when he beats Wlad what dos that make Wlad and Haye! Utter shitty shit

I like Tyson Fury better than David Haye personally.

But David Haye would have and still would most likely, totally clown Fury and knock him out at some point in the fight.

How could it be otherwise!

Gay as it sounds.. Haye was injured. All the weights fucked his shoulder (he bench presses too much) and the sparring cut was sheer idiocy. But it is what it is.

So when Fury beats Wlad it proves Haye was utter shite?

Dont be bloody silly and get over your tribalistic football fan clueless rhetoric. You may think Fury has a chance against Vlad, others may not. It is now 2 years or more since Haye fought him, so give up on this 'If Tyson beats him Haye is crap' schoolyard chant, everybody is 2 years older and things change.

This is a boxing website, fair enough people may take a disrespectful pop at clueless overhyped fighters (Audley springs to mind) but there is no reason to be abusive to genuine fans of genuine boxers, based on your own personal dislikes - its a sport - not a tribal war!

[ross]

I dont buy this Haye hate club shite.

I was happy to follow him and travel abroad throughout his career, had many good nights, culminating in one bad one in Hamburg, which most of you were never at, so you dont know the pre-fight hype and aggravation the Klits were pulling.

Following his title win he took money from the so called clever promoters by beating nonentities like Harrison for good money, and who would blame him? Even after he lost the title the same promoters were hosing him down with money to fight Derek Chisora? Would anybody not do it? Its like putting Lewis Hamilton against a VW beetle.

And now we get all this shit from camp Fury about how he was 'frightened' and backed down, how fucking ridiculous. Having told you that I followed all/most of Hayes fights the last ones, against an overhyped Pikey, I never actually bought tickets for, not fucking interested. Having said that I do not doubt that Hayes injuries were genuine, and dont subscribe to the Pikey view that he was 'hiding' from him, why would he? He had easy money against Macaroni, Harrison and Chisora from Warren, why not do it again against an overhyped opponent like Fury?

Get real for christs sake.

Because he wouldn't live with a loss to Fury because of how Fury was perceived but this perception will be reversed within the next year. Even if Fury loses to Wlad (he wont) he will lose while trying to win and wouldn't blame anything on any injury.

Fury will prove to be the better heavyweight and will make mug of all Hayes dopey fans who continue to support him. Kabong and yourself think he's shit so when he beats Wlad what dos that make Wlad and Haye! Utter shitty shit

I like Tyson Fury better than David Haye personally.

But David Haye would have and still would most likely, totally clown Fury and knock him out at some point in the fight.

How could it be otherwise!

Gay as it sounds.. Haye was injured. All the weights fucked his shoulder (he bench presses too much) and the sparring cut was sheer idiocy. But it is what it is.

So when Fury beats Wlad it proves Haye was utter shite?

Dont be bloody silly and get over your tribalistic football fan clueless rhetoric. You may think Fury has a chance against Vlad, others may not. It is now 2 years or more since Haye fought him, so give up on this 'If Tyson beats him Haye is crap' schoolyard chant, everybody is 2 years older and things change.

This is a boxing website, fair enough people may take a disrespectful pop at clueless overhyped fighters (Audley springs to mind) but there is no reason to be abusive to genuine fans of genuine boxers, based on your own personal dislikes - its a sport - not a tribal war!

Oh right... Everyone else can say Fury is shit then?

Idiot.

[nuggetdotcom]

I dont buy this Haye hate club shite.

I was happy to follow him and travel abroad throughout his career, had many good nights, culminating in one bad one in Hamburg, which most of you were never at, so you dont know the pre-fight hype and aggravation the Klits were pulling.

Following his title win he took money from the so called clever promoters by beating nonentities like Harrison for good money, and who would blame him? Even after he lost the title the same promoters were hosing him down with money to fight Derek Chisora? Would anybody not do it? Its like putting Lewis Hamilton against a VW beetle.

And now we get all this shit from camp Fury about how he was 'frightened' and backed down, how fucking ridiculous. Having told you that I followed all/most of Hayes fights the last ones, against an overhyped Pikey, I never actually bought tickets for, not fucking interested. Having said that I do not doubt that Hayes injuries were genuine, and dont subscribe to the Pikey view that he was 'hiding' from him, why would he? He had easy money against Macaroni, Harrison and Chisora from Warren, why not do it again against an overhyped opponent like Fury?

Get real for christs sake.

Because he wouldn't live with a loss to Fury because of how Fury was perceived but this perception will be reversed within the next year. Even if Fury loses to Wlad (he wont) he will lose while trying to win and wouldn't blame anything on any injury.

Fury will prove to be the better heavyweight and will make mug of all Hayes dopey fans who continue to support him. Kabong and yourself think he's shit so when he beats Wlad what dos that make Wlad and Haye! Utter shitty shit

I like Tyson Fury better than David Haye personally.

But David Haye would have and still would most likely, totally clown Fury and knock him out at some point in the fight.

How could it be otherwise!

Gay as it sounds.. Haye was injured. All the weights fucked his shoulder (he bench presses too much) and the sparring cut was sheer idiocy. But it is what it is.

So when Fury beats Wlad it proves Haye was utter shite?

Dont be bloody silly and get over your tribalistic football fan clueless rhetoric. You may think Fury has a chance against Vlad, others may not. It is now 2 years or more since Haye fought him, so give up on this 'If Tyson beats him Haye is crap' schoolyard chant, everybody is 2 years older and things change.

This is a boxing website, fair enough people may take a disrespectful pop at clueless overhyped fighters (Audley springs to mind) but there is no reason to be abusive to genuine fans of genuine boxers, based on your own personal dislikes - its a sport - not a tribal war!

Oh right... Everyone else can say Fury is shit then?

Idiot.

And your problem with that is what? Are they not entitled to an opinion? Do you want to ban free speech on an open boxing blogsite? You should be grateful becuase it may up the odds on your fighter, you could then have a winning bet and cock a snook at the rest of them.

[ross]

I dont buy this Haye hate club shite.

I was happy to follow him and travel abroad throughout his career, had many good nights, culminating in one bad one in Hamburg, which most of you were never at, so you dont know the pre-fight hype and aggravation the Klits were pulling.

Following his title win he took money from the so called clever promoters by beating nonentities like Harrison for good money, and who would blame him? Even after he lost the title the same promoters were hosing him down with money to fight Derek Chisora? Would anybody not do it? Its like putting Lewis Hamilton against a VW beetle.

And now we get all this shit from camp Fury about how he was 'frightened' and backed down, how fucking ridiculous. Having told you that I followed all/most of Hayes fights the last ones, against an overhyped Pikey, I never actually bought tickets for, not fucking interested. Having said that I do not doubt that Hayes injuries were genuine, and dont subscribe to the Pikey view that he was 'hiding' from him, why would he? He had easy money against Macaroni, Harrison and Chisora from Warren, why not do it again against an overhyped opponent like Fury?

Get real for christs sake.

Because he wouldn't live with a loss to Fury because of how Fury was perceived but this perception will be reversed within the next year. Even if Fury loses to Wlad (he wont) he will lose while trying to win and wouldn't blame anything on any injury.

Fury will prove to be the better heavyweight and will make mug of all Hayes dopey fans who continue to support him. Kabong and yourself think he's shit so when he beats Wlad what dos that make Wlad and Haye! Utter shitty shit

I like Tyson Fury better than David Haye personally.

But David Haye would have and still would most likely, totally clown Fury and knock him out at some point in the fight.

How could it be otherwise!

Gay as it sounds.. Haye was injured. All the weights fucked his shoulder (he bench presses too much) and the sparring cut was sheer idiocy. But it is what it is.

So when Fury beats Wlad it proves Haye was utter shite?

Dont be bloody silly and get over your tribalistic football fan clueless rhetoric. You may think Fury has a chance against Vlad, others may not. It is now 2 years or more since Haye fought him, so give up on this 'If Tyson beats him Haye is crap' schoolyard chant, everybody is 2 years older and things change.

This is a boxing website, fair enough people may take a disrespectful pop at clueless overhyped fighters (Audley springs to mind) but there is no reason to be abusive to genuine fans of genuine boxers, based on your own personal dislikes - its a sport - not a tribal war!

Oh right... Everyone else can say Fury is shit then?

Idiot.

And your problem with that is what? Are they not entitled to an opinion? Do you want to ban free speech on an open boxing blogsite? You should be grateful becuase it may up the odds on your fighter, you could then have a winning bet and cock a snook at the rest of them.

Well now your contradicting yourself. Its ok for people to say Fury is shit but if I say Haye or Wlad is shit I'm being tribal

What the fuck are you on?

[nuggetdotcom]

I dont buy this Haye hate club shite.

I was happy to follow him and travel abroad throughout his career, had many good nights, culminating in one bad one in Hamburg, which most of you were never at, so you dont know the pre-fight hype and aggravation the Klits were pulling.

Following his title win he took money from the so called clever promoters by beating nonentities like Harrison for good money, and who would blame him? Even after he lost the title the same promoters were hosing him down with money to fight Derek Chisora? Would anybody not do it? Its like putting Lewis Hamilton against a VW beetle.

And now we get all this shit from camp Fury about how he was 'frightened' and backed down, how fucking ridiculous. Having told you that I followed all/most of Hayes fights the last ones, against an overhyped Pikey, I never actually bought tickets for, not fucking interested. Having said that I do not doubt that Hayes injuries were genuine, and dont subscribe to the Pikey view that he was 'hiding' from him, why would he? He had easy money against Macaroni, Harrison and Chisora from Warren, why not do it again against an overhyped opponent like Fury?

Get real for christs sake.

Because he wouldn't live with a loss to Fury because of how Fury was perceived but this perception will be reversed within the next year. Even if Fury loses to Wlad (he wont) he will lose while trying to win and wouldn't blame anything on any injury.

Fury will prove to be the better heavyweight and will make mug of all Hayes dopey fans who continue to support him. Kabong and yourself think he's shit so when he beats Wlad what dos that make Wlad and Haye! Utter shitty shit

I like Tyson Fury better than David Haye personally.

But David Haye would have and still would most likely, totally clown Fury and knock him out at some point in the fight.

How could it be otherwise!

Gay as it sounds.. Haye was injured. All the weights fucked his shoulder (he bench presses too much) and the sparring cut was sheer idiocy. But it is what it is.

So when Fury beats Wlad it proves Haye was utter shite?

Dont be bloody silly and get over your tribalistic football fan clueless rhetoric. You may think Fury has a chance against Vlad, others may not. It is now 2 years or more since Haye fought him, so give up on this 'If Tyson beats him Haye is crap' schoolyard chant, everybody is 2 years older and things change.

This is a boxing website, fair enough people may take a disrespectful pop at clueless overhyped fighters (Audley springs to mind) but there is no reason to be abusive to genuine fans of genuine boxers, based on your own personal dislikes - its a sport - not a tribal war!

Oh right... Everyone else can say Fury is shit then?

Idiot.

And your problem with that is what? Are they not entitled to an opinion? Do you want to ban free speech on an open boxing blogsite? You should be grateful becuase it may up the odds on your fighter, you could then have a winning bet and cock a snook at the rest of them.

Well now your contradicting yourself. Its ok for people to say Fury is shit but if I say Haye or Wlad is shit I'm being tribal

What the fuck are you on?

OK I give up, fuck off and talk to yourself

[ykdadamaja]

Michael Moorer wasn't a bad fighter at all, he would have given Haye a fight but featherfisted? He was a good solid puncher, power in speed and combinations....he just fought stupidly vs Foreman.

Moorer was a guy I wished fought other top contenders at the time.

Moorer was really fighting well above his weight class. He was more effective as a LH.

[ross]

Michael Moorer wasn't a bad fighter at all, he would have given Haye a fight but featherfisted? He was a good solid puncher, power in speed and combinations....he just fought stupidly vs Foreman.

Moorer was a guy I wished fought other top contenders at the time.

Moorer was really fighting well above his weight class. He was more effective as a LH.

Moorer suffered with a not great chin.

They are a funny old thing, chins.

Some fighters can move up through the weights and take the best anyone has to offer.

Some fighters chins improve as they go up. Cotto for instance. Cunningham is taking heavyweight shots better than he took cruiser weights.

You have to wonder whether these fighters must be fighting well under a safe weight in the divisions they are in.

Maybe there should be a new world belt called the natural weight belt where a fighters BMI or hydration is measured and there is a safe limit they are allowed to weigh in at.

[ykdadamaja]

Michael Moorer wasn't a bad fighter at all, he would have given Haye a fight but featherfisted? He was a good solid puncher, power in speed and combinations....he just fought stupidly vs Foreman.

Moorer was a guy I wished fought other top contenders at the time.

Moorer was really fighting well above his weight class. He was more effective as a LH.

Moorer suffered with a not great chin.

They are a funny old thing, chins.

Some fighters can move up through the weights and take the best anyone has to offer.

Some fighters chins improve as they go up. Cotto for instance. Cunningham is taking heavyweight shots better than he took cruiser weights.

You have to wonder whether these fighters must be fighting well under a safe weight in the divisions they are in.

Maybe there should be a new world belt called the natural weight belt where a fighters BMI or hydration is measured and there is a safe limit they are allowed to weigh in at.

lolol....

[AdamGB]

BMI is an awful metric to use...

Not so sure about Cunningham's chin either, think he's been on the canvas in something like 4 of his last 5 bouts?

[ross]

BMI is an awful metric to use...

Not so sure about Cunningham's chin either, think he's been on the canvas in something like 4 of his last 5 bouts?

But you'd think any heavyweights punch would KO him the way he reacted at cruiser.

Look at the difference in the two Adamek fights. He got dropped a couple of times at cruiser then didn't at heavy and got robbed!
Hes soon to fight another undefeated heavy in Glazkov and I think becomes a mandatory if he wins. I think he beats wilder if he gets that.

[Max Power]

Michael Moorer wasn't a bad fighter at all, he would have given Haye a fight but featherfisted? He was a good solid puncher, power in speed and combinations....he just fought stupidly vs Foreman.

Moorer was a guy I wished fought other top contenders at the time.

Moorer was really fighting well above his weight class. He was more effective as a LH.

Moorer was a great puncher AT LHW..

He was a HW featherfist.

I don't think Moorer could have beaten many of the SHW punchers of the 90's, I think they would have ran through and flattened him.

He was good against Foreman because he was so slow (until he got tagged) and against Holyfield who was a small HW and also not a big puncher at HW.

Good fighter, but he'd never hang with Haye ever.

[mrbig1]

I think David Haye at his best could beat Rahman and maybe Holyfield. Very few have his speed and power. People who say Tyson Fury could beat haye are falling for the Fury hype.