The Logic Behind a Pacquiao win...makes no sense

[the_PRODIGY]

Floyd is all kinds of favored to win this fight. But, Pacquiao is a relentless southpaw who throws a hard straight and snappy left that always seems to cut his opponent. There's no way the Philly Shell can block that. Floyd has to dodge and move out of harms way then capitalize on counter opportunities. It's very risky. The problem that Pacquiao poses is after a straight left and you are on the ropes there's more to come. And they're coming from all weird angles. Take note, it's not a left jab, which he is a sucker for, it's a straight left hand from Manny Pacquiao.

I'm curious on how will Floyd react to a nasty cut or a broken eye socket once that unprotected left side of Floyd gets hit. He can't avoid it using the Philly shell, he can't use the shoulder roll. I believe the most effective way to prevent that is by making Pacquiao allergic to a check left hook. He should stun him using that because if not, Pacquiao will keep coming. You have hurt him real bad on his feet or knock him out senseless like what Marquez did.

I dont think he uses the philly shell for pac, i think he puts his window up like he did against Shane and walks him back. I think Roach and Manny will try to time the right hook when maywaether shoots the right, becausehe leaves his chin open, but once floyd gets hit once, i think he takes it away from him.

I disagree that he should walk Pacquiao down. Nobody has successfully done that ever. Erik Morales tried to blitz Pacquiao because Manny's reaction used to step away and cover up. He couldn't fight backwards. But that's before and he has significantly improve on that aspect as we saw on the Cotto fight. And even before, Morales did it only in spurts. I just don't see anyone being able to constantly walk Pacquiao down. He's too good against that and that's what he wants you to do. The best option a Pacquiao opponent can take is to stand toe to toe but keep a steady distance and capitalize on counters as soon as he tries to attack. It requires patience, intelligence and an ample amount of willingness to get hit. Marquez did that and it took him 41 rounds, until he had the power to stop Pacquiao. Floyd can do it, the question will be is he willing to do it. Don't forget he used to be called Pretty Boy. Marquez's face wasn't so pretty after all Pacquiao fights, regardless if fans think he won all of it. That's because he was waiting for the kill when Pacquiao is going for the kill.

[the_PRODIGY]

I would think the ultimate reason why I'm giving Pacquiao a big chance of winning is because he's faced every adversity you can offer him. He's eaten a thousand right hands from Marquez already, he's faced boxer/punchers, runners and straight up walk down fighters. He has dealt with nasty cuts, cramps and a near death experience knockout loss.

On the other hand, Floyd is in the toughest match up of his fighting career stylistically and he's never really dealt with the consequences of fighting Pacquiao the Marquez way. The ugly side of the Marquez blueprint involves fight altering cuts, severely broken nose, flash knockdowns from a puny tazmanian devil in front of you. IF, he can deal with that and end up winning the world will finally give him a break.

[Boxer4life]

Okay, now for a boxing IQ test. What is the difference between Marquez and Floyd? I'm bringing up this issue as many fans and even experts are using Floyd's beating of Marquez as sort of a gauge to predict the outcome of the fight. If you can answer this, you'll know why Manny can beat Floyd. This is a very crucial difference or issue that I'm counting on for Manny to beat Floyd. Anyone up to the challenge?
There's logic lurking somewhere under the intangibles of boxing that only the people who really knows the sport can find or see. Think about it.

I dont ever agree with the if A beat B and B beat C than that means A can beat C. But the "difference" you're talking about I dont know, they have a ton of differences. I just think overall mayweather is a much better fighter than marquez, and manny always struggles with people who can move. I keep saying it and i stand by it, this fight wont be close. But please do impart your wisdom on us.

Thanks @Boxer4life, and I do respect your opinion, it's pretty reasonable.
Well the big difference is that Marquez can hurt Manny, but can Floyd? I think not. You see, the reason Manny had difficulty with Marquez was that he wasn't able do what he wanted offensively because every time Manny came in, he was made to pay dearly for it (you can see Manny's busted face after every fight with Marquez). That limited his offense which was the key to all his victory. So if Manny can take Floyd's punch, which I think he can, he will be coming in and in and it will be just a matter of time that Floyd will be caught by his big shots and I believe when that happens, like all other opponents of Manny, Floyd will either be KO/TKO'd or will be forced to backtrack the rest of the fight, just like what Mosley, Cotto and others did. And I've seen nobody who backtracks win. This is what I'm expecting Saturday and we shall see...

That makes sense, although i think FLoyd does have underrated power. He was able to put marquez down but he was too careful to do any real damage. The thing with Floyd is, he is always thinking of winning in the fight, so if something is not working he changes it all up, and he always does so within the first 4 rounds. MAnny is a busy fighter yes, but when you get a guy who can move or evade his punches, his punch output goes down by a ton. Either way im super excited and cant wait.

When was the last time Floyd blew out anyone?

Canelo

That is not what I mean. I meant knocked out cleanly without anyone giving him a free punch.

Ahh i see, you're right its been a while, but i think with the demeanor of this fight, we'll see a different Floyd Mayweather, last time he felt disrespected was the Ricky Hatton fight, and we saw how that ended. I think he feels the same way here, but thats all just a bunch of presumptuous baloney on my end, i cant wait for the fight, and i still stand by what i said. I think Freddie is getting ready for the wrong Mayweather.

Floyd is all kinds of favored to win this fight. But, Pacquiao is a relentless southpaw who throws a hard straight and snappy left that always seems to cut his opponent. There's no way the Philly Shell can block that. Floyd has to dodge and move out of harms way then capitalize on counter opportunities. It's very risky. The problem that Pacquiao poses is after a straight left and you are on the ropes there's more to come. And they're coming from all weird angles. Take note, it's not a left jab, which he is a sucker for, it's a straight left hand from Manny Pacquiao.

I'm curious on how will Floyd react to a nasty cut or a broken eye socket once that unprotected left side of Floyd gets hit. He can't avoid it using the Philly shell, he can't use the shoulder roll. I believe the most effective way to prevent that is by making Pacquiao allergic to a check left hook. He should stun him using that because if not, Pacquiao will keep coming. You have hurt him real bad on his feet or knock him out senseless like what Marquez did.

I dont think he uses the philly shell for pac, i think he puts his window up like he did against Shane and walks him back. I think Roach and Manny will try to time the right hook when maywaether shoots the right, becausehe leaves his chin open, but once floyd gets hit once, i think he takes it away from him.

I disagree that he should walk Pacquiao down. Nobody has successfully done that ever. Erik Morales tried to blitz Pacquiao because Manny's reaction used to step away and cover up. He couldn't fight backwards. But that's before and he has significantly improve on that aspect as we saw on the Cotto fight. And even before, Morales did it only in spurts. I just don't see anyone being able to constantly walk Pacquiao down. He's too good against that and that's what he wants you to do. The best option a Pacquiao opponent can take is to stand toe to toe but keep a steady distance and capitalize on counters as soon as he tries to attack. It requires patience, intelligence and an ample amount of willingness to get hit. Marquez did that and it took him 41 rounds, until he had the power to stop Pacquiao. Floyd can do it, the question will be is he willing to do it. Don't forget he used to be called Pretty Boy. Marquez's face wasn't so pretty after all Pacquiao fights, regardless if fans think he won all of it. That's because he was waiting for the kill when Pacquiao is going for the kill.

The thing about Floyd is when he walks you down it's calculated and still in a counter punching fashion. This fight has a lot of interesting dynamics at play but I think Floyd has his number. Personally I think Paciqou is awful on his back foot. And i think FLoyd CAN hurt Pacman and will. Because one thing about Manny, is he gets hit, and hit ALOT.

[Boxer4life]

I would think the ultimate reason why I'm giving Pacquiao a big chance of winning is because he's faced every adversity you can offer him. He's eaten a thousand right hands from Marquez already, he's faced boxer/punchers, runners and straight up walk down fighters. He has dealt with nasty cuts, cramps and a near death experience knockout loss.

On the other hand, Floyd is in the toughest match up of his fighting career stylistically and he's never really dealt with the consequences of fighting Pacquiao the Marquez way. The ugly side of the Marquez blueprint involves fight altering cuts, severely broken nose, flash knockdowns from a puny tazmanian devil in front of you. IF, he can deal with that and end up winning the world will finally give him a break.

You know I think the focus here is too much on how will Floyd deal with Manny vs the other way around. People seem to forger Manny has NEVER fought anything close to a FLoyd Mayweather. And i think that will be the difference. Manny is the best brawler in town, but he seems weak against boxers.

[Rantcatrat]

Hey guys, it's been a while and I probably have been forgotten at this point but this fight was worth a return to one of my favorite places.

I've been debating a lot regarding this fight and honestly the logic behind a pacqiou win confuses me. Here's the two things i've heard the most......

"Floyd Gets Koed"
welll my thinking is......
1. Floyd has never been down
2. Pacman couldn't put bradley down, a guy who has been down a few times in his career
3. And he hasn't gotten anyone out of there for a looonngg timmeee

So unless something is awfully off with Floyd i don't see this happening at all

The other things i hear is

"Pac will outwork mayweather"

1. Assuming he can just walk through Floyds punches, which so far none of his 47 opponents have been able to do, not even tough chinned guys like Maidana and Canelo.
2. Mayweather only gets busier when pressed and rarely actually loses rounds.
3. Pacqiou had a hard time cutting an old Mosely off
4. Mayweather is not Algerie

Overall I think it's crazy to assume pacman wins this fight at this stage of his career. His physique looks worn, he's not the same man who beat down a Cotto or a Margarito. And overall i feel like the guys that "troubled" floyd were rough houses who were physically imposing themselves on Mayweather. In this fight Money also has the size advantage, which isn't where you want to be against Floyd. Overall, call me crazy, but i think we see a Mayweather vs Gatti moment. Mostly due to the fact that i think some time after 6 rounds, manny will go for broke.

Logic says Mayweather

But I dunno.....I just got this feeling Pac-Man will do him. One thing I will say is that if Floyd does win, it won't be easy and it won't be a clear victory. Pac man will put on enough of a showing to make a rematch an option.

It won't be a Canelo. It won't a Guerrero. Or Marquez. Or pretty much most of Floyds fights. Where picks and pops and makes the guy miss, on his way to a UD. I just can't see him winning this fight clearly.

I want Floyd to win and would like to proven wrong and I hope he outclasses Pac-Man. I really do. But it happened to Ray Leonard, Ali, hell even Sugar Ray Robinson. That supremly confident fighters always get humbled eventually. That's just the way the Boxing gods have it.

I dont think this will happen here, the "histroy repeats itself" cliche, is just that, a cliche. Personally i dont think Manny is Manny anymore, no matter how hard he trains, and Floyd has not slipped by much, which is why i think this will be a shutout. In his last few fights Manny looked less than impressive against less than impressive opposition.

I don't entirely disagree, but Floyd should have blown out Maidana. He's the typical Floyd opponent: slow of hand, heavy feet, and relatively slow reflexes. Recall that Devon Alexander took Maidana to school by boxing and moving. Yet, it took Floyd two goes at the apple. The Manny of old stops Algieri and Rios though - no doubt about it.

I think Maidana is much stronger than pacqiou physically, which is why he was able to do what he was able to do. IN fact, i think Marcos is extremely underrated. I actually wouldve loved to see how a fight with him and Manny would go.

Don't get crazy now. Did you see him against Devon?

[Boxer4life]

Hey guys, it's been a while and I probably have been forgotten at this point but this fight was worth a return to one of my favorite places.

I've been debating a lot regarding this fight and honestly the logic behind a pacqiou win confuses me. Here's the two things i've heard the most......

"Floyd Gets Koed"
welll my thinking is......
1. Floyd has never been down
2. Pacman couldn't put bradley down, a guy who has been down a few times in his career
3. And he hasn't gotten anyone out of there for a looonngg timmeee

So unless something is awfully off with Floyd i don't see this happening at all

The other things i hear is

"Pac will outwork mayweather"

1. Assuming he can just walk through Floyds punches, which so far none of his 47 opponents have been able to do, not even tough chinned guys like Maidana and Canelo.
2. Mayweather only gets busier when pressed and rarely actually loses rounds.
3. Pacqiou had a hard time cutting an old Mosely off
4. Mayweather is not Algerie

Overall I think it's crazy to assume pacman wins this fight at this stage of his career. His physique looks worn, he's not the same man who beat down a Cotto or a Margarito. And overall i feel like the guys that "troubled" floyd were rough houses who were physically imposing themselves on Mayweather. In this fight Money also has the size advantage, which isn't where you want to be against Floyd. Overall, call me crazy, but i think we see a Mayweather vs Gatti moment. Mostly due to the fact that i think some time after 6 rounds, manny will go for broke.

Logic says Mayweather

But I dunno.....I just got this feeling Pac-Man will do him. One thing I will say is that if Floyd does win, it won't be easy and it won't be a clear victory. Pac man will put on enough of a showing to make a rematch an option.

It won't be a Canelo. It won't a Guerrero. Or Marquez. Or pretty much most of Floyds fights. Where picks and pops and makes the guy miss, on his way to a UD. I just can't see him winning this fight clearly.

I want Floyd to win and would like to proven wrong and I hope he outclasses Pac-Man. I really do. But it happened to Ray Leonard, Ali, hell even Sugar Ray Robinson. That supremly confident fighters always get humbled eventually. That's just the way the Boxing gods have it.

I dont think this will happen here, the "histroy repeats itself" cliche, is just that, a cliche. Personally i dont think Manny is Manny anymore, no matter how hard he trains, and Floyd has not slipped by much, which is why i think this will be a shutout. In his last few fights Manny looked less than impressive against less than impressive opposition.

I don't entirely disagree, but Floyd should have blown out Maidana. He's the typical Floyd opponent: slow of hand, heavy feet, and relatively slow reflexes. Recall that Devon Alexander took Maidana to school by boxing and moving. Yet, it took Floyd two goes at the apple. The Manny of old stops Algieri and Rios though - no doubt about it.

I think Maidana is much stronger than pacqiou physically, which is why he was able to do what he was able to do. IN fact, i think Marcos is extremely underrated. I actually wouldve loved to see how a fight with him and Manny would go.

Don't get crazy now. Did you see him against Devon?

Lol i didnt say he would win, but yes i did. To be fair though, its hard for anyone to look good against Devon, win or lose. Hes just a mover with a punch so you don't want to barge in and at the same tine hes hard to catch. Not to forget the fact that Maidana does seem to constantly improve as a fighter.

[brucelee]

Okay, now for a boxing IQ test. What is the difference between Marquez and Floyd? I'm bringing up this issue as many fans and even experts are using Floyd's beating of Marquez as sort of a gauge to predict the outcome of the fight. If you can answer this, you'll know why Manny can beat Floyd. This is a very crucial difference or issue that I'm counting on for Manny to beat Floyd. Anyone up to the challenge?
There's logic lurking somewhere under the intangibles of boxing that only the people who really knows the sport can find or see. Think about it.

I dont ever agree with the if A beat B and B beat C than that means A can beat C. But the "difference" you're talking about I dont know, they have a ton of differences. I just think overall mayweather is a much better fighter than marquez, and manny always struggles with people who can move. I keep saying it and i stand by it, this fight wont be close. But please do impart your wisdom on us.

Thanks @Boxer4life, and I do respect your opinion, it's pretty reasonable.
Well the big difference is that Marquez can hurt Manny, but can Floyd? I think not. You see, the reason Manny had difficulty with Marquez was that he wasn't able do what he wanted offensively because every time Manny came in, he was made to pay dearly for it (you can see Manny's busted face after every fight with Marquez). That limited his offense which was the key to all his victory. So if Manny can take Floyd's punch, which I think he can, he will be coming in and in and it will be just a matter of time that Floyd will be caught by his big shots and I believe when that happens, like all other opponents of Manny, Floyd will either be KO/TKO'd or will be forced to backtrack the rest of the fight, just like what Mosley, Cotto and others did. And I've seen nobody who backtracks win. This is what I'm expecting Saturday and we shall see...

I agree with you Pacfan. I think Mayweather also knew about that fact that is why his camp was bent on psyching Pac that Mayweather could knock him out. They knew that Pac would blitz on Mayweather and hurt Mayweather badly in the process. They wanted Pac and his camp to think that Mayweather can knock Pac out, which I do not see happening.


I am so excited to test my hypothesis in this fight. Analyzing and considering all the intangibles, Pac's going to knock Mayweather, who would be surprised to learn during the fight how strong and how fast Pac is. Hence, my fearless prediction: Pac by TKO.

[CFH]

Calzaghe/Hopkins. The workrate and speed should be enough to outwork the older cagier spoil minded guy.

Hopkins beat Calzaghe clearly

[pacfan]

Okay, now for a boxing IQ test. What is the difference between Marquez and Floyd? I'm bringing up this issue as many fans and even experts are using Floyd's beating of Marquez as sort of a gauge to predict the outcome of the fight. If you can answer this, you'll know why Manny can beat Floyd. This is a very crucial difference or issue that I'm counting on for Manny to beat Floyd. Anyone up to the challenge?
There's logic lurking somewhere under the intangibles of boxing that only the people who really knows the sport can find or see. Think about it.

I dont ever agree with the if A beat B and B beat C than that means A can beat C. But the "difference" you're talking about I dont know, they have a ton of differences. I just think overall mayweather is a much better fighter than marquez, and manny always struggles with people who can move. I keep saying it and i stand by it, this fight wont be close. But please do impart your wisdom on us.

Thanks @Boxer4life, and I do respect your opinion, it's pretty reasonable.
Well the big difference is that Marquez can hurt Manny, but can Floyd? I think not. You see, the reason Manny had difficulty with Marquez was that he wasn't able do what he wanted offensively because every time Manny came in, he was made to pay dearly for it (you can see Manny's busted face after every fight with Marquez). That limited his offense which was the key to all his victory. So if Manny can take Floyd's punch, which I think he can, he will be coming in and in and it will be just a matter of time that Floyd will be caught by his big shots and I believe when that happens, like all other opponents of Manny, Floyd will either be KO/TKO'd or will be forced to backtrack the rest of the fight, just like what Mosley, Cotto and others did. And I've seen nobody who backtracks win. This is what I'm expecting Saturday and we shall see...

That makes sense, although i think FLoyd does have underrated power. He was able to put marquez down but he was too careful to do any real damage. The thing with Floyd is, he is always thinking of winning in the fight, so if something is not working he changes it all up, and he always does so within the first 4 rounds. MAnny is a busy fighter yes, but when you get a guy who can move or evade his punches, his punch output goes down by a ton. Either way im super excited and cant wait.

@Boxing4life, ya I agree about Mayweather's punch and I've said the same thing couple of times here - that Floyd's punches are bit underrated. Now about him hurting Pac? I can't answer that with absolute certainty but based on other known big punchers Pac has fought, I think he can. And about Pac not being good at hitting evasive/moving fighter, Pac can hit anything, look at Bradley who moves more than Floyd and whom Marquez couldn't catch with any solid shot. So again, I'm sticking with my logic that if Pac can take Floyd's punch - that is the most crucial issue here for me - Floyd is going to get hit and if he gets hit, like most other he will either be KD/KO'd or start to retreat. We'll find out for sure soon. Well anyway, cheers.

[fan johnny]

Hey guys, it's been a while and I probably have been forgotten at this point but this fight was worth a return to one of my favorite places.

I've been debating a lot regarding this fight and honestly the logic behind a pacqiou win confuses me. Here's the two things i've heard the most......

"Floyd Gets Koed"
welll my thinking is......
1. Floyd has never been down
2. Pacman couldn't put bradley down, a guy who has been down a few times in his career
3. And he hasn't gotten anyone out of there for a looonngg timmeee

So unless something is awfully off with Floyd i don't see this happening at all

The other things i hear is

"Pac will outwork mayweather"

1. Assuming he can just walk through Floyds punches, which so far none of his 47 opponents have been able to do, not even tough chinned guys like Maidana and Canelo.
2. Mayweather only gets busier when pressed and rarely actually loses rounds.
3. Pacqiou had a hard time cutting an old Mosely off
4. Mayweather is not Algerie

Overall I think it's crazy to assume pacman wins this fight at this stage of his career. His physique looks worn, he's not the same man who beat down a Cotto or a Margarito. And overall i feel like the guys that "troubled" floyd were rough houses who were physically imposing themselves on Mayweather. In this fight Money also has the size advantage, which isn't where you want to be against Floyd. Overall, call me crazy, but i think we see a Mayweather vs Gatti moment. Mostly due to the fact that i think some time after 6 rounds, manny will go for broke.

Logic says Mayweather

But I dunno.....I just got this feeling Pac-Man will do him. One thing I will say is that if Floyd does win, it won't be easy and it won't be a clear victory. Pac man will put on enough of a showing to make a rematch an option.

It won't be a Canelo. It won't a Guerrero. Or Marquez. Or pretty much most of Floyds fights. Where picks and pops and makes the guy miss, on his way to a UD. I just can't see him winning this fight clearly.

I want Floyd to win and would like to proven wrong and I hope he outclasses Pac-Man. I really do. But it happened to Ray Leonard, Ali, hell even Sugar Ray Robinson. That supremly confident fighters always get humbled eventually. That's just the way the Boxing gods have it.

I dont think this will happen here, the "histroy repeats itself" cliche, is just that, a cliche. Personally i dont think Manny is Manny anymore, no matter how hard he trains, and Floyd has not slipped by much, which is why i think this will be a shutout. In his last few fights Manny looked less than impressive against less than impressive opposition.

I don't entirely disagree, but Floyd should have blown out Maidana. He's the typical Floyd opponent: slow of hand, heavy feet, and relatively slow reflexes. Recall that Devon Alexander took Maidana to school by boxing and moving. Yet, it took Floyd two goes at the apple. The Manny of old stops Algieri and Rios though - no doubt about it.

I think Maidana is much stronger than pacqiou physically, which is why he was able to do what he was able to do. IN fact, i think Marcos is extremely underrated. I actually wouldve loved to see how a fight with him and Manny would go.

Maidana stronger, well he certainly is bigger and handled himself as bigger and stronger in the ring but that don't make it fact. Pacquiao's work ethic seem way bigger than Maidana and size can be deceiving.

I think the bigger question in this fight is that Floyd is such a gifted athlete he been able to do things so much faster than his opponent he can compensate being out of position or make mistakes. Will he be able to do this with Pacquiao? I'm guessing he doesn't think so which maybe is why he is so focused for this fight. Pacquiao may be smaller in size but if Mayweather is thinking he can overpower him, I think that's a mistake he'll pay for.

[Boxer4life]

Hey guys, it's been a while and I probably have been forgotten at this point but this fight was worth a return to one of my favorite places.

I've been debating a lot regarding this fight and honestly the logic behind a pacqiou win confuses me. Here's the two things i've heard the most......

"Floyd Gets Koed"
welll my thinking is......
1. Floyd has never been down
2. Pacman couldn't put bradley down, a guy who has been down a few times in his career
3. And he hasn't gotten anyone out of there for a looonngg timmeee

So unless something is awfully off with Floyd i don't see this happening at all

The other things i hear is

"Pac will outwork mayweather"

1. Assuming he can just walk through Floyds punches, which so far none of his 47 opponents have been able to do, not even tough chinned guys like Maidana and Canelo.
2. Mayweather only gets busier when pressed and rarely actually loses rounds.
3. Pacqiou had a hard time cutting an old Mosely off
4. Mayweather is not Algerie

Overall I think it's crazy to assume pacman wins this fight at this stage of his career. His physique looks worn, he's not the same man who beat down a Cotto or a Margarito. And overall i feel like the guys that "troubled" floyd were rough houses who were physically imposing themselves on Mayweather. In this fight Money also has the size advantage, which isn't where you want to be against Floyd. Overall, call me crazy, but i think we see a Mayweather vs Gatti moment. Mostly due to the fact that i think some time after 6 rounds, manny will go for broke.

Logic says Mayweather

But I dunno.....I just got this feeling Pac-Man will do him. One thing I will say is that if Floyd does win, it won't be easy and it won't be a clear victory. Pac man will put on enough of a showing to make a rematch an option.

It won't be a Canelo. It won't a Guerrero. Or Marquez. Or pretty much most of Floyds fights. Where picks and pops and makes the guy miss, on his way to a UD. I just can't see him winning this fight clearly.

I want Floyd to win and would like to proven wrong and I hope he outclasses Pac-Man. I really do. But it happened to Ray Leonard, Ali, hell even Sugar Ray Robinson. That supremly confident fighters always get humbled eventually. That's just the way the Boxing gods have it.

I dont think this will happen here, the "histroy repeats itself" cliche, is just that, a cliche. Personally i dont think Manny is Manny anymore, no matter how hard he trains, and Floyd has not slipped by much, which is why i think this will be a shutout. In his last few fights Manny looked less than impressive against less than impressive opposition.

I don't entirely disagree, but Floyd should have blown out Maidana. He's the typical Floyd opponent: slow of hand, heavy feet, and relatively slow reflexes. Recall that Devon Alexander took Maidana to school by boxing and moving. Yet, it took Floyd two goes at the apple. The Manny of old stops Algieri and Rios though - no doubt about it.

I think Maidana is much stronger than pacqiou physically, which is why he was able to do what he was able to do. IN fact, i think Marcos is extremely underrated. I actually wouldve loved to see how a fight with him and Manny would go.

Maidana stronger, well he certainly is bigger and handled himself as bigger and stronger in the ring but that don't make it fact. Pacquiao's work ethic seem way bigger than Maidana and size can be deceiving.

I think the bigger question in this fight is that Floyd is such a gifted athlete he been able to do things so much faster than his opponent he can compensate being out of position or make mistakes. Will he be able to do this with Pacquiao? I'm guessing he doesn't think so which maybe is why he is so focused for this fight. Pacquiao may be smaller in size but if Mayweather is thinking he can overpower him, I think that's a mistake he'll pay for.

Lets not confuse punching power with strength. Manny packs a wallop but he isn't physically imposing. He wont be able to bully Mayweather into the ropes like most of his bigger opponents did. What you mentioned is interesting though, he did get away with making a lot of mistakes when fighting guys like Guerrero, but when it came to Canelo he kept those to a minimum, which i think he does here.