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    Default Re: marciano gave holmes his 1st loss

    Quote Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_One77
    Quote Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
    Quote Originally Posted by bilbo
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    Are you talking about the Spinks decision? I'm a Holmes fan, and I can't say that he won the first fight. The second fight I think he got robbed, but that would count as his second loss.
    What the Spinks fight?

    Man I'm even more confused now
    Holmes was undefeated and needed 1 more win to either tie, or break Marciano's undefeated heavyweight record. Before he fought Spinks to get the record, he told the media that Marciano couldn't hold his jock strap. Therefore, that's why he was believed to be cursed, and lost the fight. I think he just flat-out lost, but I think he won the rematch and the judges robbed him.
    that's weird, i was pretty sure he said that comment after he lost to spinks out of frustration with the judges.
    Could be wrong though
    He did indeed say it AFTER the decision.

    I think personally Spinks deserved the decision just.... but the rematch was undoubtedly a robbery.

    But I think people sometimes forget Holmes was damn lucky to turn 48-0 as Carl Williams was clearly unlucky to lose to Holmes in fight #48, and Whitherspoon was also a bit unfortunate in 83, and some would say Norton deserved something in his fight with Holmes in 78...

    So IMO, Holmes can not moan all that much, boxing decisions tend to be swings and roundabouts.

    I saw the Williams-Holmes fight. I would say that Williams won the first five rounds easily but then Holmes managed to get 9 of the last 10. Just my opinion BK. But it is always great to see our different perspectives. Have a cool click on me.
    You have a point; perhaps 'damn unlucky' was pushing it... just trying to make a point.

    I remember the fight, but being 10 years old at the time, I probably did not score it, but I remember a lot of people after the fight suggesting Williams had been unlucky... Perhaps the truth is Holmes used his experience to sneak the decision?

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    Default Re: marciano gave holmes his 1st loss

    Quote Originally Posted by bilbo
    Actually on the Champions Forever documentary after dinner get together with Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Norton and Holmes, Holmes says he belived he was the greatest in any era, better than Ali and Marciano.

    He said the only fighter who would have given him problems would have been Jack Johnson.
    marciano he probably could beat, but ALI--hell no--ali would whup him--it took holmes 11 rounds to beat the old ali on prescription drugs--1964 ali would kill holmes

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    Default Re: marciano gave holmes his 1st loss

    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking
    He was right though. Marciano really couldn't hold his jock strap.
    thats true, and holmes couldnt hold ali's jock strap

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    Default Re: marciano gave holmes his 1st loss

    Holmes is a arrogant dickhead.

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    Default Re: marciano gave holmes his 1st loss

    Quote Originally Posted by undefeated
    Quote Originally Posted by bilbo
    Actually on the Champions Forever documentary after dinner get together with Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Norton and Holmes, Holmes says he belived he was the greatest in any era, better than Ali and Marciano.

    He said the only fighter who would have given him problems would have been Jack Johnson.
    marciano he probably could beat, but ALI--hell no--ali would whup him--it took holmes 11 rounds to beat the old ali on prescription drugs--1964 ali would kill holmes
    A prime Foreman also would beat the hell out of a prime Holmes (Foreman also would have destroyed Marciano).

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    Default Re: marciano gave holmes his 1st loss

    larry was great at talking and fighting but he's not the best ever

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    Default Re: marciano gave holmes his 1st loss

    Quote Originally Posted by undefeated
    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking
    He was right though. Marciano really couldn't hold his jock strap.
    thats true, and holmes couldnt hold ali's jock strap
    Actually considering he learnt his trade as a sparring partner for Ali he probably not only held but washed Ali's jockstrap

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    Default Re: marciano gave holmes his 1st loss

    I'm not sure, I think you are right, but that wouldn't make sense according to the start of the thread, would it? All I know is he lost, and deserved to, but he won the second fight with Spinks, and because of his image, I think they robbed him. If you find out for sure, let me know because now I'm getting confused.
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    Since when do most threads make sense?

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    Default Re: marciano gave holmes his 1st loss

    Quote Originally Posted by undefeated
    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking
    He was right though. Marciano really couldn't hold his jock strap.
    thats true, and holmes couldnt hold ali's jock strap
    Ali couldn't hold Valeuv's jockstrap either

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    Default Re: marciano gave holmes his 1st loss

    Quote Originally Posted by undefeated View Post
    rocky cant hold my jockstrap---holmes, that prob pissed alot of people off

    had holmes said something like...

    marciano was great, i have alota respect for him and the record he's held, tonight i will equal his record, and in the future surpass it

    but holmes had 2 b an ass****, so i believe if holmes gave respect to marciano the outcome would have been different. so there4 his loss was rockys revenge
    @undefeated @Kev @Unknowndonor

    Happy New Year

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