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    Default Re: Froch needs Ward and vice versa!

    Ward has so many options, which explains why his next fight is against Paul Smith on the black channel.

    He's the B-side against Froch.

    He's the B-side against GGG.

    And he knows it.
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    Default Re: Froch needs Ward and vice versa!

    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
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    Bottom line, if he doesn't fight and beat Ward, he'll retire as never having been "the man" in his division.

    Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton, Prince Naseem... all dominated their weight divisions for a time.
    He'll retire having been the warrior of the division tho.
    A warrior would have the balls to fight Ward! Death before dishonour!
    @Beanflicker - i happen to disagree with you about this. Ward is arguably better than anyone Calzaghe, Hatton, or Naseem, had to face when they were in their prime in their divisions. Also, Froch already lost to him by a pretty wide decision. Maybe you disagree, but I don't think that fight was close. And he lost to Kessler in their first fight so he would have to beat Kessler in a third fight to legitimately claim to be the better man between the two of them. Froch has to settle for being the second or third best super middleweight of his day. It is what it is. However, a win over GGG wouldn't be a bad note to end his career on.

    And for Ward, I'd prefer to see him move up a division after he has dominated super middleweight. Ward is fighting closer to the light heavyweight division than the super middleweight division in his next fight. A bigger fight than Froch for Ward is Kovalev. Ward already beat Froch - why does he need to do it again? The only fight at super middleweight that I'd like to see Ward take is DeGale.
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    Default Re: Froch needs Ward and vice versa!

    I agree Rant, there is really nothing unfinished between them. Froch is the bigger draw, but that isn't going change if Ward beats him again is it? Ward is in the dark because of is own inactivity/promotional dispute, whoever's fault it was. He has made pretty good money for his last few fights, it's not as if the guy is blackballed or something, and he might do well with is new deal.

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    Default Re: Froch needs Ward and vice versa!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Ward has so many options, which explains why his next fight is against Paul Smith on the black channel.

    He's the B-side against Froch.

    He's the B-side against GGG.

    And he knows it.
    Call it that Floyd shit with this a-side/b-side all you want. Fact of the matter is who can kick ass? Ward is the one bonafide to bring it and can be unbeatable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Bottom line, if he doesn't fight and beat Ward, he'll retire as never having been "the man" in his division.

    Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton, Prince Naseem... all dominated their weight divisions for a time.
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    Calzaghe obviously beats Ward like a drum and Calzaghe-Froch wouldn't be competitive. Come on guys, you've seen these fellas fight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Ward has so many options, which explains why his next fight is against Paul Smith on the black channel.

    He's the B-side against Froch.

    He's the B-side against GGG.

    And he knows it.
    He only needs one fight though and then he is the a-side against anyone. Just needs activity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    @Beanflicker - i happen to disagree with you about this. Ward is arguably better than anyone Calzaghe, Hatton, or Naseem, had to face when they were in their prime in their divisions. Also, Froch already lost to him by a pretty wide decision. Maybe you disagree, but I don't think that fight was close. And he lost to Kessler in their first fight so he would have to beat Kessler in a third fight to legitimately claim to be the better man between the two of them. Froch has to settle for being the second or third best super middleweight of his day. It is what it is. However, a win over GGG wouldn't be a bad note to end his career on.

    And for Ward, I'd prefer to see him move up a division after he has dominated super middleweight. Ward is fighting closer to the light heavyweight division than the super middleweight division in his next fight. A bigger fight than Froch for Ward is Kovalev. Ward already beat Froch - why does he need to do it again? The only fight at super middleweight that I'd like to see Ward take is DeGale.
    I agree 100% about the initial fight: I think Ward dominated and embarrassed Froch for the most part.

    But great fighters are not supposed to quit. Great fighters fear no man, and losses eat away at great fighters.

    When Schmelling KO'd Louis, Louis wanted to return the favour. When Ingmar knocked out Patterson, Floyd got back in there and returned the favour twice. When Ali got whipped by Frazier and Norton, he wanted to get back in there. Same thing when Leonard got whipped by Duran, ect ect ect.

    Great fighters don't think "oh that guy was way better than me", they think "he was better that night, I'll make the adjustments and I'll beat his ass next time." They don't run from challenges: great fighters want to be the best, and they want to beat the guy who people consider to be the best.

    Andre Ward is the best, and he already embarrassed Froch in the ring. If Carl doesn't have the itch to even the score and be the best, if he's content with being 2nd best to a guy, then he doesn't deserve to be mentioned with the best British fighters of all time. It's a punk move. I don't see how anyone could disagree.
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    Default Re: Froch needs Ward and vice versa!

    Froch is a massive draw compared to Ward and Ward would love a big PPV event at Wembley but Froch wants nothing to do with Ward so it won't happen. Froch has also now bottled GGG according to his promoter. If Froch fights again it'll be De Gale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanman View Post
    Calzaghe obviously beats Ward like a drum and Calzaghe-Froch wouldn't be competitive. Come on guys, you've seen these fellas fight?
    Ward would be too clinical for any version of Calzaghe. If Hopkins, who is a supreme technician as well, was robbed by Calzaghe in their fight, and Ward is a much better technician on the side of a Mayweather with more punching power and engagement, then Calzaghe stands no chance against any version of Ward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ykdadamaja View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanman View Post
    Calzaghe obviously beats Ward like a drum and Calzaghe-Froch wouldn't be competitive. Come on guys, you've seen these fellas fight?
    Ward would be too clinical for any version of Calzaghe. If Hopkins, who is a supreme technician as well, was robbed by Calzaghe in their fight, and Ward is a much better technician on the side of a Mayweather with more punching power and engagement, then Calzaghe stands no chance against any version of Ward.
    Hopkins was not robbed, stop that nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Ward has so many options, which explains why his next fight is against Paul Smith on the black channel.

    He's the B-side against Froch.

    He's the B-side against GGG.

    And he knows it.
    Ward is the B-side on the money aspect but the A-side on everything else.

    Ward would possibly beat froch and GGG in the same night.

    Froch is a warrior and I really like him as a person, but if he avenged his loss to kessler that same warrior instinct should want to beat ward in the rematch but he knows deep down he can't do it which is a bit disappointing.. but the money has overruled everything for his last fight rather than legacy and a massive cherry on the top if he beat andre ward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ykdadamaja View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanman View Post
    Calzaghe obviously beats Ward like a drum and Calzaghe-Froch wouldn't be competitive. Come on guys, you've seen these fellas fight?
    Ward would be too clinical for any version of Calzaghe. If Hopkins, who is a supreme technician as well, was robbed by Calzaghe in their fight, and Ward is a much better technician on the side of a Mayweather with more punching power and engagement, then Calzaghe stands no chance against any version of Ward.
    Hopkins was not robbed, stop that nonsense.
    lolol... ok. It could have gone either way. B-Hop had great moments.
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    Default Re: Froch needs Ward and vice versa!

    I don't understand why anyone would want to see Froch fight Ward again.

    Ward beat Froch easily. A comfortable win for Ward in the first fight is no grounds for a rematch. The first fight wasn't even entertaining.

    People are getting a little carried away with Froch. Sure, he comes to fight and he is a warrior, but when it comes to skill, he's very limited and is never going to beat a guy like Ward in a million years.

    He's had a couple of decent wins since Ward schooled him and we know he's retiring soon and we're already missing him, but let's not get carried away. This is the same Froch who looked anything but impressive against Groves and Groves is nothing to write home about.

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    Default Re: Froch needs Ward and vice versa!

    Ward doesn't need him, he already beat his ass once, and did so clearly, he has plenty of options, GGG, Degale, Dirrel, and at 175 Pascal, Stevenson, Kovalev, Fonfara, and Chavez Jr

    Froch isn't a big numbers guy anyways so it isn't as if he'd be raking in PPV buys

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