gay marriage in the US

[Beanz]

You need to go by the New testament now you are saved, not the old. You are judging the gays from the old testaments writings. Those days are past those laws are no more.
The New testament is (the word of God)that saved you,so stick with what Luke has written there and cease your judgments, In Jesus name!

You cannot "go by" the NT, Jesus is the NT, New Covenant, that was the whole point of it.

God "fired" or "disqualified" the best of the best, the Top Gun, to qualify us!
Why is it so hard for you to understand?

Have you ever eaten shellfish or worn clothes made from more than one type of fibre?

@Kirkland Laing
Is this what you call shellfish?
http://www.doncasterfishmonger.com/s...ery-Course.jpg

What do you mean by clothes with more than one fiber, post pic

You are joking ?
You really dont know what he is talking about?

Maybe the fiber clothes refers to some gay terminology, I guess?

the shellfish - no idea, honestly, what it means at subliminal level

Both a sin to consume shellfish and wear mixed cloth is his point.

It is from exactly the same the book you got your judgment from over homosexuals.

Who'd have guessed?

I suppose you would have had to study it to know.

It is interesting and quite revealing to know why also. This is during the times of Diaspora, and makes up what are known as the laws of separation. Obviously for a people dispersed with no land to keep it's people, language and culture together, these laws were motivated from a desire to keep people distinct an separate. In the following chapter of Leviticus you will find the command for a man not to cut the hair on the corners and sides of his face. This was again to keep that identity separate and alive so as not to be mistaken for a clean shaven Egyptian back then and a Roman later on. It is why Orthodox Jews still maintain side locks (peyos).

This sense of separateness can also be seen in Isreal's concept of holiness. This is not a sense of holiness that emerges from fear of displeasing a punishing deity, it is one derived from the Justice that deities own holiness personifies. This is where democracy comes from. A concern for the people not the object of devotion.

First to understand this, a misunderstanding needs to be erased. Israel, the Hebrew prophets and Judaism are not the same thing.

More on this later

[Andre]

Your book stinks, and thankfully is fading into irrelevancy.

Not my book, but if it stinks , surely what reason would gays need to have those biblical words read during their matrimony?
It's like the trifecta of hypocrisy.

There is nothing wrong with living one's life by a moral code. The bible tells us homosexuality is wrong but also tells us not to judge. Just because a lot of people do something, does not make it right.

You mean the lots of people judging yeah?

I thought the second book, laid to rest the laws in the first book.

[Gandalf]

You two take this stuff far too seriously. I do not share the views of NV and neither do I share the faith of Walrus, but I appreciate the humour and character of them both. In the past I would get disturbed by religious based posts, but found that my views were likewise intolerant of others. You have to chill out and respect that different people are coming from a different place. If faith helps Walrus in life, then all power to the man. If faith is NV's way of handling a frankly irrational world, then the same to him. If someone wants to judge then that is up to them. Does it reflect on them? Of course it does, but that is their call to make. In some way or another we are always judging others. Andre likes to judge the Chinese, Greenbeanz likes to judge music taste, I like to judge Tony Blair.

[Beanz]

Exactly Beanz.

Except that Yeshua was not the creator of the Christian religion,it came into fruition some 100 or so years later through Pauls writings who never even met Yeshua himself.

The term for the original ones following Yeshua (his brothers and sisters) was the desposyni.

Yes that is what I said

"The Greek Paul, who grew up in Turkey, took Judaism with it's Universal elements and combined it with Pagan superstitions of the time - such as God coming to earth as a man. This created what we know today as Christianity"

[Beanz]

You two take this stuff far too seriously. I do not share the views of NV and neither do I share the faith of Walrus, but I appreciate the humour and character of them both. In the past I would get disturbed by religious based posts, but found that my views were likewise intolerant of others. You have to chill out and respect that different people are coming from a different place. If faith helps Walrus in life, then all power to the man. If faith is NV's way of handling a frankly irrational world, then the same to him. If someone wants to judge then that is up to them. Does it reflect on them? Of course it does, but that is their call to make. In some way or another we are always judging others. Andre likes to judge the Chinese, Greenbeanz likes to judge music taste, I like to judge Tony Blair.

With all due respect Miles, I don't really know what your point is ? I am not angry, my posts are not aggressive and neither are Andre's. So what do you mean by chill out ? Are we all just supposed to stop debating and expressing different opinions now ? I can of course see the humour in both posters, though Walrus sometimes has a sense of humour bypass when reading other people's posts.

[SlimTrae]

For the record my point wasn't about where gays get married-church.
Or who marries them-pastors etc.
It was for those who choose to use a bible.
Be it in the park at the hall of justice, or at home.

If they read that verse where it said we come together in the sight of God.
Or that part about let no man put asunder what God....

That book claims men who lay with another man is detestable.

If gays don't use the bible or those words, particularly (God) then i stand corrected.

If they do: how is that not ridiculous?

[walrus]

You two take this stuff far too seriously. I do not share the views of NV and neither do I share the faith of Walrus, but I appreciate the humour and character of them both. In the past I would get disturbed by religious based posts, but found that my views were likewise intolerant of others. You have to chill out and respect that different people are coming from a different place. If faith helps Walrus in life, then all power to the man. If faith is NV's way of handling a frankly irrational world, then the same to him. If someone wants to judge then that is up to them. Does it reflect on them? Of course it does, but that is their call to make. In some way or another we are always judging others. Andre likes to judge the Chinese, Greenbeanz likes to judge music taste, I like to judge Tony Blair.

With all due respect Miles, I don't really know what your point is ? I am not angry, my posts are not aggressive and neither are Andre's. So what do you mean by chill out ? Are we all just supposed to stop debating and expressing different opinions now ? I can of course see the humour in both posters, though Walrus sometimes has a sense of humour bypass when reading other people's posts.

Quite the opposite, I see humour in every single post

[walrus]

Your book stinks, and thankfully is fading into irrelevancy.

Not my book, but if it stinks , surely what reason would gays need to have those biblical words read during their matrimony?
It's like the trifecta of hypocrisy.

There is nothing wrong with living one's life by a moral code. The bible tells us homosexuality is wrong but also tells us not to judge. Just because a lot of people do something, does not make it right.

You mean the lots of people judging yeah?

I thought the second book, laid to rest the laws in the first book.

Pretty much, as a said, no one is perfect. I know I have not gotten myself to the point where I am free of judgement. Also, hermaphrodite is a term used in humans as well as animals. Don't you watch porn.

[walrus]

You two take this stuff far too seriously. I do not share the views of NV and neither do I share the faith of Walrus, but I appreciate the humour and character of them both. In the past I would get disturbed by religious based posts, but found that my views were likewise intolerant of others. You have to chill out and respect that different people are coming from a different place. If faith helps Walrus in life, then all power to the man. If faith is NV's way of handling a frankly irrational world, then the same to him. If someone wants to judge then that is up to them. Does it reflect on them? Of course it does, but that is their call to make. In some way or another we are always judging others. Andre likes to judge the Chinese, Greenbeanz likes to judge music taste, I like to judge Tony Blair.

@Gandalf, thanks for sticking up for me, it's fine nonetheless, I'm used to Christianity being attacked and criticized, it happens quite often in the US media. As long as People aren't saying anything about Islam, Christianity is the accepted prejudice.

[brocktonblockbust]

if a man wants to drink the mucous of 20 infected camels, well thats fine with me. I AINT DRINKIN IT!

if a man wants to jump off the Empire State building with a Japanese plum in his mouth, well thats fine with me. cuz I AINT DOIN IT!

if a man wants to slice up his eyeballs with a Gillete Mach 3 razor, well that is A-OK with me cuz I AINT DOIN IT!!!

so if a man wants to get an erection when he is naked with another man and then stick his cock up the shit-hole of another man, well thats just fine with me too, cuz I AINT FUCKING DOIN IT!!!!

[walrus]

Well, we went all over with this thread. My main point was not the morality of homosexuality but my disappointment in the US supreme court making the decision. I feel it should not have been made at the judicial branch but at the legislative branch. That was all I was saying.

[frozensolid-702]

I wonder what the liberals will come up with to complain about next?



For such a horrible, evil, vile, hateful country we're pretty accepting of huge changes like this.

Brace yourself for the imminent extremist feminism uprising siege that will seize our country when Shillary wins the election next year

[Gandalf]

You two take this stuff far too seriously. I do not share the views of NV and neither do I share the faith of Walrus, but I appreciate the humour and character of them both. In the past I would get disturbed by religious based posts, but found that my views were likewise intolerant of others. You have to chill out and respect that different people are coming from a different place. If faith helps Walrus in life, then all power to the man. If faith is NV's way of handling a frankly irrational world, then the same to him. If someone wants to judge then that is up to them. Does it reflect on them? Of course it does, but that is their call to make. In some way or another we are always judging others. Andre likes to judge the Chinese, Greenbeanz likes to judge music taste, I like to judge Tony Blair.

With all due respect Miles, I don't really know what your point is ? I am not angry, my posts are not aggressive and neither are Andre's. So what do you mean by chill out ? Are we all just supposed to stop debating and expressing different opinions now ? I can of course see the humour in both posters, though Walrus sometimes has a sense of humour bypass when reading other people's posts.

Andre was there telling people they 'should not judge' and yet that is what people do constantly. If NV wants to have his Bible based fun, then so what? People are entitled to their views no matter how odd. I doubt he goes around confronting gay people or anything like that. It's odd to take it so seriously. Also, I sometimes thinks NV picks up on some interesting points such as the concept that homosexuals are oftentimes the victims of abuse. This is a pattern that I have noticed too having seen it in life, but also in examples of well known people I respect. Not always the case, but far too common to be ignored. It is something that goes somewhat unspoken.

People can express what they like, but certainly in my own case, I have more time for different perspectives than I used to. I respect the rights of homosexuals, but I am also cool with groups that don't want it promoted or do think it is immoral. That is up to the individual and should be respected too.

[walrus]

Nice sentiments Miles. The thing that gets me about beanz is he takes such offense to those who express different ideas to his political beliefs yet things nothing of doing so to others. It's all good, we should express our opinions but should be mindful we don't do to others that which we don't like done to us. Andre puzzles me, at one moment he reports he has done Christian volunteer work in Africa, a very noble act I must say, but then speaks rather negatively on Christianity.

[Andre]

You two take this stuff far too seriously. I do not share the views of NV and neither do I share the faith of Walrus, but I appreciate the humour and character of them both. In the past I would get disturbed by religious based posts, but found that my views were likewise intolerant of others. You have to chill out and respect that different people are coming from a different place. If faith helps Walrus in life, then all power to the man. If faith is NV's way of handling a frankly irrational world, then the same to him. If someone wants to judge then that is up to them. Does it reflect on them? Of course it does, but that is their call to make. In some way or another we are always judging others. Andre likes to judge the Chinese, Greenbeanz likes to judge music taste, I like to judge Tony Blair.

Im not the one handing out judgment and neg reps bro.