America you seriously need to sort out your gun laws - Reporter shot dead on live TV

[p4pking]

Certain states in America having strict gun laws means fuck all when other states have very relaxed gun laws, they are all over your country and are easily moved around and have been for years so the having strict laws is a joke, the damage/problem is already cemented into your culture.
Nowhere in the UK is it ok to have a firearm like it is in some US states.
If say Scotland had similar relaxed gun laws like some of your states then we would have a massive problem like you have but they aren't and we don't.
Its gotta be an all out ban across the entire country to even begin to tackle the problem, that is the USA problem.
A 10 year old could suss that out to be honest

If having strict gun laws is a joke, what is an outright ban going to do differently? It's an absolute fact that the majority of gun crimes are committed with illegal firearms, that means weapons that never pass through any kind of system or registry and are dealt just like drugs are, not to mention most often purchased by people that couldn't(or at least wouldn't) legally obtain a firearm in any state no matter how lax the laws are. If you ban them all for everyone, it overwhelmingly harms people that obtain them responsibly and are inherently much less likely to hurt anyone. It does absolutely zilch to stop all of the guns that are already in the wrong hands, and the millions entering the country and being purchased underground. Cocaine is completely illegal, do you think that does anything whatsoever to curb the use and trafficking of it? I agree with you that it's embedded in the culture and that stinks, but you are oversimplifying it immensely. If you know any sensible 10 year old's they might actually be able to help you with this.

[Spicoli]

That's insanity today. Plotted murder and follow up meltdown campaign via social media. He sounds like he had as much want of it being seen, filming it, as he did actually carrying it out. The guy was a time bomb and wore a failed persona to a vengeful finale. In some cases I don't think a gun makes a bit of difference. You cannot legislate a nutters level of want.

[Dark Lord Al]

Do you honestly think if USA had no rights to arms , this fruitcake wouldn't have got a gun illegally like most criminals do ?

[smashup]

Certain states in America having strict gun laws means fuck all when other states have very relaxed gun laws, they are all over your country and are easily moved around and have been for years so the having strict laws is a joke, the damage/problem is already cemented into your culture.
Nowhere in the UK is it ok to have a firearm like it is in some US states.
If say Scotland had similar relaxed gun laws like some of your states then we would have a massive problem like you have but they aren't and we don't.
Its gotta be an all out ban across the entire country to even begin to tackle the problem, that is the USA problem.
A 10 year old could suss that out to be honest

If having strict gun laws is a joke, what is an outright ban going to do differently? It's an absolute fact that the majority of gun crimes are committed with illegal firearms, that means weapons that never pass through any kind of system or registry and are dealt just like drugs are, not to mention most often purchased by people that couldn't(or at least wouldn't) legally obtain a firearm in any state no matter how lax the laws are. If you ban them all for everyone, it overwhelmingly harms people that obtain them responsibly and are inherently much less likely to hurt anyone. It does absolutely zilch to stop all of the guns that are already in the wrong hands, and the millions entering the country and being purchased underground. Cocaine is completely illegal, do you think that does anything whatsoever to curb the use and trafficking of it? I agree with you that it's embedded in the culture and that stinks, but you are oversimplifying it immensely. If you know any sensible 10 year old's they might actually be able to help you with this.

Ok your still not seeing the bigger picture here so let me give you some "Absolute Facts"
No one is disagreeing with you but where do you think the source of these "Illegal" guns starts....
It is absolute fact that the 3 main sources of illegal guns in the USA are as follows -

1) - Straw Purchases - a straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm or who wants to do so anonymously has a companion buy it on their behalf (legally)

2) - The second biggest source of illegal guns in the USA is where legally licensed but corrupt at home and commercial gun dealers sell the firearms to criminals (there are several reports to back this fact up and that illegal activity by those licensed to sell guns (legally) known as FFLs - Federal Firearms Licenses is a huge source of guns used in crimes

3) - Guns that are legally owned are stolen and used illegally for Criminal purposes


These are the hard facts and anyone who thinks that the problem doesn't stem/start from the fact that guns in the USA are widely Legal is deluded, naive, uneducated and stupid

Like i said these are facts and they are constantly hitting you in the face hard but you and people like Lyle just choose to ignore them and yes i do believe a 10 year old could suss out the source of the problem.

Evidence implies that many of the mentally ill who are determined to get firearms will wind up "jurisdiction shopping". After Virginia started reporting its mental health records to NICS, 378 of the 438 those denied guns because of a Virginia mental health record were trying to purchase a firearm in another state.

It's not fucking rocket science to see that the guns used illegally are obtained from legal sources.
I just gave you the hard facts (i even made the clues BOLD so dickheads like Lyle can figure it out easier

Are you still going to disagree?

[SlimTrae]

I agree with the last post. Gun owners refuse to engage in any discussion of how legal guns become illegally obtained.
They obfuscate the issue by decrying gun laws from the most vague stand point.

Rand Paul said it best-he doesn't want the government to even know the serial number on his guns.
Why?
Badger guns in my homestate led the nation around 2008 in guns bought online that were used by criminals who obtained them illegally.

The argument has been framed: more gun laws vs the right to carry guns as a constitutional right.

Entertaining the idea of how legal guns become illegal is a discussion gun owners refuse to engage in.

Let alone raising my biggest gripe-while Americans should have the right to own guns...and as many as they choose: why should the same Americans have the right to sell them without a legal transfer of firearms?
How is that a constitutional right to sell your gun under the table, or to buy a gun for someone other than your self?

Last point gun owners have no desire to engage in another discussion: its not just the poor and criminal element in America doing heinous crimes with illegal guns. Every poor nation on earth that doesn't have access to water, technology, food...has access to guns and a seemingly endless supply of bullets.
With that, nut jobs like the guy who killed three innocent news reporters root for gun owners.
How else does people like him get guns?

[El Kabong]

How else does people like him get guns?

Money makes the world go round. If you have the money you can get what you want legal or illegal.

[0james0]

Some short facts on the matter-

America has a massive issue with people shooting each other, it happens too often

There are too many guns already in America to ban them

The people of America love their guns and don't want to give them up



It's a problem that will never be solved, probably because most Americans don't see it as a problem and they don't actually want to fix it.

[El Kabong]

Some short facts on the matter-

America has a massive issue with people shooting each other, it happens too often

There are too many guns already in America to ban them

The people of America love their guns and don't want to give them up



It's a problem that will never be solved, probably because most Americans don't see it as a problem and they don't actually want to fix it.

How often is "too often"? I'd like for that to be quantified 1 shooting, 3 shootings, 85 shootings, 100,000 shootings....just curious.


Won't stop people from trying


True, but then again the overwhelming majority of legal gun owners DON'T murder people.


Fix it yes, but do pay attention "shall not be infringed" ....that was put in the Bill of Rights for a reason.

[El Kabong]

Meanwhile in Gun Control "safe zone" Chicago, Illinois

2015 Stats | Chicago Murder, Crime & Mayhem | HeyJackass!



Then there's the whole idea that guns actually SAVE lives



....but hey, whatever

[Fenster]

Don't have a problem with people going Clint Eastwood on bods trying to rob their homes but it's stretching it a bit to say the gun saved their life.

Most of that footage was of botched robberies. The robbers were "unlucky" to run into old biddies with a shooter. Which again goes to prove that guns don't prevent crime.

[El Kabong]

Don't have a problem with people going Clint Eastwood on bods trying to rob their homes but it's stretching it a bit to say the gun saved their life.

Most of that footage was of botched robberies. The robbers were "unlucky" to run into old biddies with a shooter. Which again goes to prove that guns don't prevent crime.

Those old biddies didn't get robbed did they?

[smashup]

I agree with the last post. Gun owners refuse to engage in any discussion of how legal guns become illegally obtained.
They obfuscate the issue by decrying gun laws from the most vague stand point.

Rand Paul said it best-he doesn't want the government to even know the serial number on his guns.
Why?
Badger guns in my homestate led the nation around 2008 in guns bought online that were used by criminals who obtained them illegally.

The argument has been framed: more gun laws vs the right to carry guns as a constitutional right.

Entertaining the idea of how legal guns become illegal is a discussion gun owners refuse to engage in.

Let alone raising my biggest gripe-while Americans should have the right to own guns...and as many as they choose: why should the same Americans have the right to sell them without a legal transfer of firearms?
How is that a constitutional right to sell your gun under the table, or to buy a gun for someone other than your self?

Last point gun owners have no desire to engage in another discussion: its not just the poor and criminal element in America doing heinous crimes with illegal guns. Every poor nation on earth that doesn't have access to water, technology, food...has access to guns and a seemingly endless supply of bullets.
With that, nut jobs like the guy who killed three innocent news reporters root for gun owners.
How else does people like him get guns?

Your opening sentence is spot on, Lyle can't and won't engage in any discussion about it and has completely avoided answering us

[SlimTrae]

How else does people like him get guns?

Money makes the world go round. If you have the money you can get what you want legal or illegal.

True.
But i see you short changing yourself with such a simple rebuttal. Its not like you lack intellect, rather you choose when to give a technical answer and when to play uh, possum! LOL

[SlimTrae]

Some short facts on the matter-

America has a massive issue with people shooting each other, it happens too often

There are too many guns already in America to ban them

The people of America love their guns and don't want to give them up



It's a problem that will never be solved, probably because most Americans don't see it as a problem and they don't actually want to fix it.

How often is "too often"? I'd like for that to be quantified 1 shooting, 3 shootings, 85 shootings


True, but then again the overwhelming majority of legal gun owners DON'T murder people.


Fix it yes, but do pay attention "shall not be infringed" ....that was put in the Bill of Rights for a reason.

And as long as democrats keep crying gun laws and more gun laws as a means to stop crime: it makes your point all the more legitimate.

[El Kabong]

Shootings happen for a number of reasons this most recent one that the media is up and running with was due partially to MEDIA COVERAGE. Dylann Roof did his shooting as a retaliation for media coverage on Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown and Vester Flanagan aka Bryce Williams did his shooting in retaliation for Roof's shooting while tipping his hat to VaTech shooter Seung Hui Cho....all media related.

But in Chicago and Detroit and New York it's gang related it's socioeconomic issues it's the war on drugs.

Just banning guns is the simplistic answer AND it violates the rights of all law abiding citizens....why does everyone so quickly come to the conclusion that a gun ban would change everything? Guns are banned in Mexico and you see how much more peaceful they have it...granted Fast and Furious gifted the Narcos loads of weapons in order to get the ball rolling on gun bans in the United States but oh well