Where does Ali rank P4P?

[VG_Addict]

I've seen people rank Ali in the top 5 P4P, and I have to ask why. Is it because of his resume? Because, he got away with a lot of fundamental mistakes due to his speed, especially for a HW.

[brocktonblockbust]

ali is no where near the top 5 p4p @p4pking

[Ron Swanson]

It is because of his resume. There isn't another heavyweight with one even close to his. It's a who's who of heavyweight royalty.

[Bill Paxtom]

Cassius Clay

I don't even have him in the Top 10 of the Heavyweight Division.

He dangles at #11.

Pound-For-Pound

As Ralph Kramden stated ........... "Har-De-Har-Har"

[Master]

p4p list is difficult one to list in any real order.

In my lifetime I would have Roy Jones, Whitaker, Chavez and Manny in it.

[Fenster]

I'm in the not a big fan of Ali club - not for political, social or religious reasons, purely boxing.

A terrific fighter, who was undoubtedly in memorable, historic fights, and is a deserved all-time great, but I always see the "great" modern heavyweights beating him and think he's a bit overrated.

[Master]

Cassius Clay

I don't even have him in the Top 10 of the Heavyweight Division.

He dangles at #11.

Pound-For-Pound

As Ralph Kramden stated ........... "Har-De-Har-Har"

Name 10 a head of him then?

[Andre]

I've seen people rank Ali in the top 5 P4P, and I have to ask why. Is it because of his resume? Because, he got away with a lot of fundamental mistakes due to his speed, especially for a HW.

Some general thoughts and general questions here, thinking aloud:

I think cause he was anti authoritarian,black,could take a hit. Actually 100 hits and by choice better than anyone else in that one. (People claim people with a good beard as a prerequisite too). He was exciting to watch, due us to not knowing what approach he would take. Could move well for the weight.

' Because of fundamental mistakes used and got away with due to speed'?
Interesting;
Because there are the complete reverse in champions out there (different weight classes though) and many hate them,theres one Welsh one German and one American all undefeated. They are fighters who stick to fundamentals of boxing and a couple master just set moves to enhance their natural ability whether its speed or control and have become undefeated champions using minimalist moves and bore us all. Strange cause thats used against them by some to keep them out of the pound for pound rating too, but its the opposite to why some would choose to keep Ali out.

He pushed the limits so was exciting. Rude bastard of a smart ass business man too, so people hated him wanted him beat, paid to see it and others took to him as the underdog and paid to see him win. Which if he was a such a bad boxer as some of you make out then how did he do it against some of the best? Or was that the worse era of heavyweight boxing in your minds?

[mikeeod]

I don't think much of Ali outside the ring at all. Think he was pretty classless, especially in how he treated Joe Frazier. That being said, I have him in my top 3, and that is based off his quality of opposition (best ever at that weight, as well as any other weight), historical impact, and transcending of the sport. Ali was a global fighter who not only dominated the American landscape of sports, he dominated the WORLD. Will likely never be another fighter who comes close, and I can't stress how much it pains me to admit that.

[Bill Paxtom]

Cassius Clay

I don't even have him in the Top 10 of the Heavyweight Division.

He dangles at #11.

Pound-For-Pound

As Ralph Kramden stated ........... "Har-De-Har-Har"

Name 10 a head of him then?

~ Heavyweight's On Their 'Overall' Career ~

1 ..... Jack Dempsey
2 ..... Joe Louis
3 ..... Larry Holmes
4 ..... James J. Jeffries
5 ..... Rocky Marciano
6 ..... Jack Johnson
7 ..... Lennox Lewis
8 ..... George Foreman
9 ..... Gene Tunney
10 ... Ezzard Charles

11 ... Cassius Clay

[Andre]

[Andre]

He was an enigma to both Cus and Angelo when you listen to them chatting there about the difference between what he practiced and what he did for real.

[Master]

Cassius Clay

I don't even have him in the Top 10 of the Heavyweight Division.

He dangles at #11.

Pound-For-Pound

As Ralph Kramden stated ........... "Har-De-Har-Har"

Name 10 a head of him then?

~ Heavyweight's On Their 'Overall' Career ~

1 ..... Jack Dempsey
2 ..... Joe Louis
3 ..... Larry Holmes
4 ..... James J. Jeffries
5 ..... Rocky Marciano
6 ..... Jack Johnson
7 ..... Lennox Lewis
8 ..... George Foreman
9 ..... Gene Tunney
10 ... Ezzard Charles

11 ... Cassius Clay

Your list just shows how stupid and bias you are. Embarrassing Bill.

[powerpuncher]

#1 but that just may be my bias. Definitely top 5 for sure though. He had tremendous speed, an exceptional chin, great stamina, awesome footwork, and he had decent power. He was also very tough and competitive. I'm shocked that some people don't have him in at least their top 10 p4p.

[IamInuit]

p4p=popularity contest. It’s a kind of backronym and lazy way of saying it. Its use suggests that it has real meaning but it doesn’t.

Besides based on what it’s supposed to mean which has been bastardized over time, how do you include any heavyweight on the list? Has anyone here ever seen a 7 foot featherweight? How do you begin to make the leap for heavyweights to even enter the discussion?

Suppose Wlad or Ali fought at feather how would they do?

It’s a ridiculous question.

Armstrong was a real pound for pound fighter. Greb, Langford, Carpentier, Gans etc etc. Oscar, Floyd, Manny are pound for pound fighters. But save a few, even multiple belt holders today are tainted when the true meaning of the word is applied. Most of these guys are fighting 2 divisions south of where they should be to begin with so when they move up its smoke and mirrors. Armstrong showed up at the weigh in against Ross at 133 for a welter title challenge. That’s a pound for pound fight and fighter. Greb showed up for the first Tunney fight at 162. Check out Babados Joe Walcotts career.

Ali ranks as the best hev ever by plenty of people, historians and average Joes just like Louis and that's fine by me and where he sits in ATG lists is open to question just like the default to Robinson is. Personally I believe there have been several fighters that would have or could have beaten them both.