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    We need to start giving some of these modern fighters a bit more respect and realise that it really isn't cool to take punishment.

    Sports science is way advanced now and the methods used in todays game in boxing including nutrition has moved forward from yesterday.

    We all like to watch a good scrap but If I was a pro boxer I would prefer to be the smart one that dishes out the punishment and avoids and frustrates the hell out of any opponent by making them miss.

    And we know the same tired excuse.."He was running"

    In other words, you just weren't good enough to beat him.

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    Duran had great boxing skill and his peak was lightweight. Duran's peak beats Floyd peak at the weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
    We need to start giving some of these modern fighters a bit more respect and realise that it really isn't cool to take punishment.

    Sports science is way advanced now and the methods used in todays game in boxing including nutrition has moved forward from yesterday.

    We all like to watch a good scrap but If I was a pro boxer I would prefer to be the smart one that dishes out the punishment and avoids and frustrates the hell out of any opponent by making them miss.

    And we know the same tired excuse.."He was running"

    In other words, you just weren't good enough to beat him.

    Lol oh come on man, who is making excuses here? To question Durans legacy and then change this to a Floyd thread is just a wee bit comical. One wanted to fight everyone and the other didn't.
    One fought anyone and the other didn't. Does anyone actually believe that Duran would not have fought Margarito? Does anyone actually believe that Duran would have waited 5 years to fight Manny and then bring us a dud of a fight? Would Duran have retired instead of honouring a rematch clause with Oscar?
    Does anyone actually believe based on the FACTS that Floyd would have even fought Duran, Leonard, Hearns and Hagler? In Durans case, Floyd would have never went near the guy at 135 and would have side stepped, made excuses etc rather then fight any of them at 147. He would have never been a ppv/closed circuit cash cow in the eighties. You see in those days the risk came before the reward.

    When you go on about giving modern fighters a bit more respect for fighting safety first, what do you mean exactly? Yes the idea is to hit and not get hit but its still a boxing match and its based on landing punches. Taking what you said to the extreme suggests they should cancel the sport. Seriously why have it at all? Another fact is that these modern day fighters have taken safety first to a whole different level.

    They don't fight, weight cheat and have twitter wars. Maybe they should all wear bubble wrap.

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    Here we go.

    Floyd never fought anyone and ducked everyone.

    How many times are we going to hear this?!

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    Boxing fandom is generally divided into two groups. Those who never saw the Duran's, Arguello's, Leonard's, Hagler's, and Gomez's of the world....... and those who did. The ones who didn't only have the perspective of today's typical fighter, with all the off-the-ring paraphernalia that goes with it. As @IamInuit very well put, the safety first, the weight cheating, the Twitter wars..... it seems like today's fighter does more posturing and image-building through social media than actual fighting. Ducking is rampant and accepted. It's hilarious to see someone like Duran criticized by those who never actually followed his career. It's even more hilarious to see the "No Mas" and an obscure fight against Pat Lawlor as the basis for condemning one of history's greatest boxing warriors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
    Here we go.

    Floyd never fought anyone and ducked everyone.

    How many times are we going to hear this?!
    No one said that, stop bellyaching, you will look like Floyd crying after he beat Gatti or when he got sent to prison for beating his babies mother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
    Here we go.

    Floyd never fought anyone and ducked everyone.

    How many times are we going to hear this?!
    Oh please that’s not a response. Are you going to call me a hater next? I've went to bat for Floyd as much as anyone.

    Floyd never faced anyone in his career at Durans level. That’s a fact and not an old man embellishing some yesteryear. The only 2 people he fought even close were Castillo and Hatton and he got a gift in one and had a pocketed ref in the other.

    "Here we go" what? Somebody dares to bring some facts to the table and scrutinize Floyds services on an equal footing as those scrutinizing Durans and that’s a problem? What all time greats did Floyd fight let alone beat? And if he did beat one or two what were the circumstances? An investigation into boxing legacy does not change depending who we are talking about.

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    Hatton and castillo.

    And with the hatton fight he had a pocketed ref.?

    Are you for real?

    Floyd had a torn rotator cuff in the first castillo fight and we all know what happened in the rematch.

    Why can't we all just applaud the skills and stop being secretly jealous of this mans skills..inside the ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
    Here we go.

    Floyd never fought anyone and ducked everyone.

    How many times are we going to hear this?!
    No one said that, stop bellyaching, you will look like Floyd crying after he beat Gatti or when he got sent to prison for beating his babies mother.
    Please watch this...

    http://youtu.be/jueeqBcWLYw

    This is pure art.

    Duran would quit around the 4th round and blame his bellyache.

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    Floyd had skill, now acknowledge the skill of Duran and devastating punch power.

    Floyd beat Hatton at welterweight, not Hatton best weight and Cortez had his nose firmly up Floyd's ass.
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    Looks like wildly differing opinions on here. I can't see a knowledgeable boxing fan dissing Duran. That's an automatic YDKSAB right there. On the other hand, and I'm no Floyd fan.... he was thoroughly outclassing Hatton in their fight and would've beaten him ref or no ref. I'm not willing to give Hatton a pass on this one. Hatton TWICE insisted that he deserved to be world's p4p #1 if he could only get past his opponent. We know what happened against Floyd, and we SURELY know what happened against Pacquiao.

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    Duran is just as skilful and as much a ring Einstein as Floyd. It's just the opposite style. If you think what Duran does is not amazing skill, natural talent and ring genius you're missing the big picture.

    Take ten minutes to watch this "art."


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    No one is ignoring the skills of Duran I just think that prime for prime he would loose to floyd.

    Its all fantasy stuff anyway..but styles make fights and floyd would frustrate duran more than ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
    No one is ignoring the skills of Duran I just think that prime for prime he would loose to floyd.

    Its all fantasy stuff anyway..but styles make fights and floyd would frustrate duran more than ever.
    I agree Lil Floyd would be too loose for 135/140lbs Duran and would get caught and finished in the middle to late rounds, unless he has a proper ticker, in which case he would take a frightful beating in dropping the decision.
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