Does Capitalism thrive on Main Street or Wall Street?

[Kirkland Laing]

Randolph and Mortimer


Murphy’s character and Ackroyd’s character. They manipulate the Dukes into making a huge bet on orange futures then twist the market to the good guys’ advantage.

The Dukes are ruined. Roll closing credits.

Murphy brought them back in his 1988 movie “Coming to America.” In their cameo, the Dukes have been reduced to homeless men. Murphy, now playing an African prince representing the kingdom of Zamunda, is in search of a bride.

The Dukes’ cameo doesn’t last long. It ends when Prince Akeem (Murphy) walks up. He sees the sad Dukes on the street. He gives them a wad of bills.

“Mortimer,” Randolph says, “We’re back in business!”

Let’s see … Crooked, greedy Wall Street operatives. They fleece the public and get away with it, for a while. Eventually, they’re seen as crooks and go broke.

Just like our bailouts.... the government sweeps in and hands them a big bag of money. They carry on as before.
Quote:
I wish life didn’t imitate art

Donald Trump just hired a guy called Steve Mnuchin as his campaign finance chief. Mnuchin used to work for Goldman Sachs and various hedge funds and is a well know person in the financial community. He's currently phoning up everybody on Wall Street and telling them that if Trump wins he's going to be Treasury Secretary, meaning he has ultimate oversight over and legal or regulatory issues these banks may be facing over the next four years plus ongoing legal issues related to previous criminality.

Trump is spreading his legs for Wall Street. Come and get me. I'm putting your guy in charge of everything now give me a nice big donation. Wall Street can back every horse in the race and can do it for buttons. Trump has only raised about a hundred million so far, he'd drop his trousers and bend over for another hundred. Do you know how much just the big Wall Street firms have paid in fines and legal fees since 2008 for their pre-mektdown criminality? Getting on for two hundred billion. With a b. So you see how ridiculously cheap these people are to buy. And all those legal fees go to pay the salaries and golden hellos of the current bunch of regulators when they move sides to work for Wall Street legal firms.

Anf Lyle. This'll make you happy. Guess where the Kenyan socialist Obama is going to start work once he leaves office? Six to eight years from now will Obama be worth a high eight or low nine figure amount?

[El Kabong]

Donald Trump just hired a guy called Steve Mnuchin as his campaign finance chief. Mnuchin used to work for Goldman Sachs and various hedge funds and is a well know person in the financial community. He's currently phoning up everybody on Wall Street and telling them that if Trump wins he's going to be Treasury Secretary, meaning he has ultimate oversight over and legal or regulatory issues these banks may be facing over the next four years plus ongoing legal issues related to previous criminality.

Trump is spreading his legs for Wall Street. Come and get me. I'm putting your guy in charge of everything now give me a nice big donation. Wall Street can back every horse in the race and can do it for buttons. Trump has only raised about a hundred million so far, he'd drop his trousers and bend over for another hundred. Do you know how much just the big Wall Street firms have paid in fines and legal fees since 2008 for their pre-mektdown criminality? Getting on for two hundred billion. With a b. So you see how ridiculously cheap these people are to buy. And all those legal fees go to pay the salaries and golden hellos of the current bunch of regulators when they move sides to work for Wall Street legal firms.

Anf Lyle. This'll make you happy. Guess where the Kenyan socialist Obama is going to start work once he leaves office? Six to eight years from now will Obama be worth a high eight or low nine figure amount?

Obama I've heard will stay in DC...you know, to attempt to keep his Presidential legacy intact, though why he would be proud of it.....oh it's because he "fundamentally transformed" America because he hates this country and everything it was founded on.

I am certain Obama will be QUITE sorry, I know how you dislike the block caps....I mean "quite" well off after departing the White House.

[El Kabong]

just let business be business and let government be government

[SlimTrae]

Okay ..Matt is a trick?
Serious...
Capitalism is something that in it's purest form ..

Is it pure now? Diluted...how does it happen, can something no longer pure return?
No wrong answer, just attempting to learn how wall street is considered so corrupt, yet maintains the street to success.
At least stock wise...
Brock. ..make sure you enter with the Benny Hill theme... It fits so well.

Matt Taibbi is horrible, he's a spoiled brat riding Daddy's coattails into the world of "journalism", can hardly call 'Rolling Stone' relevant these days in regards to politics, economics, OR what they were originally founded to cover...music.



Capitalism in ANY form still beats the pants off of literally ANY other system. What do you want to replace it with? Communism/Socialism? We see how great those work out for the poor and less fortunate....just creates MORE of them. Capitalism CAN have winners and losers but it can also have symbiosis in which both the buyer and seller come out feeling like a good deal has been struck and to be quite honest that happens more on the small scale than it does on the large scale. A young kid goes and cuts his neighbor's grass, the neighbor pays....the kid earns some cash, the homeowner doesn't have to fuck with the yard that week that is WIN-WIN Capitalism.....don't have to worry about that in Communist countries....who owns a house much less a lawnmower?

There's a reason this little joke resonated....
it's because it's true.

But I'm sorry, you were decrying how horrible and diluted Capitalism is?

If I understand, what makes this Matt guy horrible: he's riding off his father's fortune? relevance once existed with Rolling Stone, but the coat tail rider has changed something rendering it irrelevant politically speaking?

I have no qualms about the current form of capitalism, it was your precise wording (in its purest form) that grabbed my attention. I never said it was diluted...i asked why (YOU) said (in its purest form)...is it pure now..

And I can only reiterate...please understand I in know way asked to replace capitalism.
I have never spoken of communism nor socialism. Not here or probably at all in my 2 years here on any thread. Let alone spoke positive of it wanna bet? If not dont take my words out of context.


Crying ...calling capitalism horrible? I asked if corporate and wall street has ties to capitalism, can we define mainstreets respect for it.

Never did I say it.. Capitalism was horrible. Did i speak negative about wall street?
Yes i did. Did I speak negative about main street and its perception of capitalism? Where? And what does cutting grass and kid's pay have to do with Wall Street?

Crying to me is your incessant posting of media and democrats. .pissing moaning bitching and bleeding. Crying imo is proclaiming for months that Trump isnt conservative and you couldnt believe your party may nominate him... That sir, was crying. May as well colonize the moon if Trump gets elected. .that imo is crying.. .but i submit I understood your comments aka crying.

But thanks for proving once again.. its not possible to debate Fellow Americans who vote republican..not all but most will rewrite or dismiss anything they don't like leaving genuine discussion for any demographic but them...

[SlimTrae]

Randolph and Mortimer

Let’s see … Crooked, greedy Wall Street operatives. They fleece the public and get away with it, for a while. Eventually, they’re seen as crooks and go broke.

Just like our bailouts.... the government sweeps in and hands them a big bag of money. They carry on as before.
Quote:
I wish life didn’t imitate art

Donald Trump just hired a guy called Steve Mnuchin as his campaign finance chief. Mnuchin used to work for Goldman Sachs and various hedge funds and is a well know person in the financial community. He's currently phoning up everybody on Wall Street and telling them that if Trump wins he's going to be Treasury Secretary, meaning he has ultimate oversight over and legal or regulatory issues these banks may be facing over the next four years plus ongoing legal issues related to previous criminality.

Trump is spreading his legs for Wall Street. Come and get me. I'm putting your guy in charge of everything now give me a nice big donation. Wall Street can back every horse in the race and can do it for buttons. Trump has only raised about a hundred million so far, he'd drop his trousers and bend over for another hundred. Do you know how much just the big Wall Street firms have paid in fines and legal fees since 2008 for their pre-mektdown criminality? Getting on for two hundred billion. With a b. So you see how ridiculously cheap these people are to buy. And all those legal fees go to pay the salaries and golden hellos of the current bunch of regulators when they move sides to work for Wall Street legal firms.

Anf Lyle. This'll make you happy. Guess where the Kenyan socialist Obama is going to start work once he leaves office? Six to eight years from now will Obama be worth a high eight or low nine figure amount?

Steve Mnuchin..thx... will check him out. Is he the guy that Trump replaced over some dude getting paid by Russiaa few years ago?

[El Kabong]

Okay ..Matt is a trick?
Serious...
Capitalism is something that in it's purest form ..

Is it pure now? Diluted...how does it happen, can something no longer pure return?
No wrong answer, just attempting to learn how wall street is considered so corrupt, yet maintains the street to success.
At least stock wise...
Brock. ..make sure you enter with the Benny Hill theme... It fits so well.

Matt Taibbi is horrible, he's a spoiled brat riding Daddy's coattails into the world of "journalism", can hardly call 'Rolling Stone' relevant these days in regards to politics, economics, OR what they were originally founded to cover...music.



Capitalism in ANY form still beats the pants off of literally ANY other system. What do you want to replace it with? Communism/Socialism? We see how great those work out for the poor and less fortunate....just creates MORE of them. Capitalism CAN have winners and losers but it can also have symbiosis in which both the buyer and seller come out feeling like a good deal has been struck and to be quite honest that happens more on the small scale than it does on the large scale. A young kid goes and cuts his neighbor's grass, the neighbor pays....the kid earns some cash, the homeowner doesn't have to fuck with the yard that week that is WIN-WIN Capitalism.....don't have to worry about that in Communist countries....who owns a house much less a lawnmower?

There's a reason this little joke resonated....
it's because it's true.

But I'm sorry, you were decrying how horrible and diluted Capitalism is?

If I understand, what makes this Matt guy horrible: he's riding off his father's fortune? relevance once existed with Rolling Stone, but the coat tail rider has changed something rendering it irrelevant politically speaking?

I have no qualms about the current form of capitalism, it was your precise wording (in its purest form) that grabbed my attention. I never said it was diluted...i asked why (YOU) said (in its purest form)...is it pure now..

And I can only reiterate...please understand I in know way asked to replace capitalism.
I have never spoken of communism nor socialism. Not here or probably at all in my 2 years here on any thread. Let alone spoke positive of it wanna bet? If not dont take my words out of context.


Crying ...calling capitalism horrible? I asked if corporate and wall street has ties to capitalism, can we define mainstreets respect for it.

Never did I say it.. Capitalism was horrible. Did i speak negative about wall street?
Yes i did. Did I speak negative about main street and its perception of capitalism? Where? And what does cutting grass and kid's pay have to do with Wall Street?

Crying to me is your incessant posting of media and democrats. .pissing moaning bitching and bleeding. Crying imo is proclaiming for months that Trump isnt conservative and you couldnt believe your party may nominate him... That sir, was crying. May as well colonize the moon if Trump gets elected. .that imo is crying.. .but i submit I understood your comments aka crying.

But thanks for proving once again.. its not possible to debate Fellow Americans who vote republican..not all but most will rewrite or dismiss anything they don't like leaving genuine discussion for any demographic but them...

I believe something is being lost in translation here.

1. Matt Taibbi, is a "journalist" because his dad is a "journalist", I use quotation marks because journalists are SUPPOSED to be unbiased, the Taibbi's cannot claim that attribute. Also Rolling Stone just ran a story on a supposed rape case at UVA with absolutely 0 evidence other than what was pried from a very troubled young lady who turned out to be lying and perhaps both mentally and emotionally unstable. The magazine is horrible, biased, and Matt Taibbi is a big reason why....he's a true asshole

2. DEcrying, DE...totally different from "crying". Decry = to publicly denounce. I don't want you thinking that I'm going on some kind of emotional personal attack on you. I'm debating, just begging the questions A) if the current form of capitalism is bad how do we fix it and B ) if capitalism the way it is now is so horrible then what other options do we have ergo my bringing up Communism and Socialism which a lot of protesters seem to want for some reason

[Kirkland Laing]

Donald Trump just hired a guy called Steve Mnuchin as his campaign finance chief. Mnuchin used to work for Goldman Sachs and various hedge funds and is a well know person in the financial community. He's currently phoning up everybody on Wall Street and telling them that if Trump wins he's going to be Treasury Secretary, meaning he has ultimate oversight over and legal or regulatory issues these banks may be facing over the next four years plus ongoing legal issues related to previous criminality.

Trump is spreading his legs for Wall Street. Come and get me. I'm putting your guy in charge of everything now give me a nice big donation. Wall Street can back every horse in the race and can do it for buttons. Trump has only raised about a hundred million so far, he'd drop his trousers and bend over for another hundred. Do you know how much just the big Wall Street firms have paid in fines and legal fees since 2008 for their pre-mektdown criminality? Getting on for two hundred billion. With a b. So you see how ridiculously cheap these people are to buy. And all those legal fees go to pay the salaries and golden hellos of the current bunch of regulators when they move sides to work for Wall Street legal firms.

Anf Lyle. This'll make you happy. Guess where the Kenyan socialist Obama is going to start work once he leaves office? Six to eight years from now will Obama be worth a high eight or low nine figure amount?

Obama I've heard will stay in DC...you know, to attempt to keep his Presidential legacy intact, though why he would be proud of it.....oh it's because he "fundamentally transformed" America because he hates this country and everything it was founded on.

I am certain Obama will be QUITE sorry, I know how you dislike the block caps....I mean "quite" well off after departing the White House.

He's going to joing a private equity firm, get involved with investments in new tech companies and make tens of million of dollars over the next decade, probably over a hundred. He's done a lot of favours for Google, Microsoft, Facebook and Apple while prez and now they're going to pay him back.

It must be awful watching the America you thought you knew falling apart before your eyes. Not only is the south ever going to rise again but a white nationalist Republican party can never win a national election again.

And it's irrelevant who wrote that srticle I linked, who his dad is, who his grandmother did, or where it was published. I could have linked exactly the same facts that were in that article by posting a dozen links fromt he Wall Street Journal and the Financial Times, except nobody here subscribes to them and they're all going to be very boring, dry, technical articles. The article I posted is very readable by comparison and written in a way people here can enjoy reading to some extent. And I'm also saying as somebody who has worked on Wall Street for the time period the article covers that it's a hundred percent accurate.

Of course it's much easier to claim it's somehow biased or published in the wrong paper or the journalist has a father or some other crap to avoid dealing with the article itself. You just keep on keeping on.

[El Kabong]

He's going to joing a private equity firm, get involved with investments in new tech companies and make tens of million of dollars over the next decade, probably over a hundred. He's done a lot of favours for Google, Microsoft, Facebook and Apple while prez and now they're going to pay him back.

It must be awful watching the America you thought you knew falling apart before your eyes. Not only is the south ever going to rise again but a white nationalist Republican party can never win a national election again.

And it's irrelevant who wrote that srticle I linked, who his dad is, who his grandmother did, or where it was published. I could have linked exactly the same facts that were in that article by posting a dozen links fromt he Wall Street Journal and the Financial Times, except nobody here subscribes to them and they're all going to be very boring, dry, technical articles. The article I posted is very readable by comparison and written in a way people here can enjoy reading to some extent. And I'm also saying as somebody who has worked on Wall Street for the time period the article covers that it's a hundred percent accurate.

Of course it's much easier to claim it's somehow biased or published in the wrong paper or the journalist has a father or some other crap to avoid dealing with the article itself. You just keep on keeping on.

Wouldn't doubt it, I mean he and Tony Rezko were up to that in Chicago decades ago.


As for the second bit, that's rather presumptuous of you and in poor taste albeit typical of you....the only thing that shocks me is that it didn't come with a graph and/or a post from Mother Jones.


"it's irrelevant who wrote the srticle(sic)"....Irrelevant?
Matt Taibbi Gets His Sarah Palin On - The Atlantic
"What I think, sadly, is that Matt Taibbi is becoming the Sarah Palin of journalism. He seems to deliberately eschew understanding his subjects, because only corrupt, pointy-headed financial journalists who have been co-opted by the system do that. And Matt Taibbi is here to save you from those pointy headed elites."

.....and we all remember how fond you are of Sarah Palin

Why would you like Taibbi?
This Is What Happens If You Tell Matt Taibbi You Don't Like His Work to His Face
'It’s always those who dish it out who have the hardest time taking it.'

.....OH




Hope you're well

[SlimTrae]

Capitalism is something that in it's purest form .

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Matt Taibbi is horrible, he's a spoiled brat riding Daddy's coattails into the world of "journalism", can hardly call 'Rolling Stone' relevant these days in regards to politics, economics, OR what they were originally founded to cover...music.

Capitalism in ANY form still beats the pants off of literally ANY other system.
What do you want to replace it with? Communism/Socialism?

But I'm sorry, you were decrying how horrible and diluted Capitalism is?

..

I believe something is being lost in translation here.

. DEcrying, DE...totally different from "crying". Decry = to publicly denounce.

I agree: Lost in translation. As your quotes above are dead on for defending capitalism. Particularly your debate question below:


I'm debating, just begging the questions A) if the current form of capitalism is bad how do we fix it and B ) if capitalism the way it is now is so horrible then what other options do we have ergo my bringing up Communism and Socialism which a lot of protesters

Kabong, sir I don't have the knowledge to answer if Capitalism is so bad or horrible, because I didn't rate nor grade it here.

Gandalf and Kirkland however seemed to respond a bit different; IMO both impressed upon me that capitalism (relative to) main street can be-Indeed a good thing.
However I interpreted a different tune when both referred to Wall street. IMO we all were harsh on Wall Street's use. They both IMO disagreed with currency and the printing of it. Good stuff!

My bad, if my wording made you think I was grading capitalism, scoring it as horrible.
My intent was to debate \discuss how Main street common people versus Wall Street and the elite view\use capitalism to fit them.

And that Matt dude. I don't know of him or his dad. I was just trying to understand your disagreement with him: he is an asshole Got it. As few .. .if any people I know depend on Rolling Stone for politics.

The decry versus cry a bit amusing...I chose "cry" because I didn't denounce capitalism nor said it was diluted, rather questioned your precise wording (capitalism in it's purest form)
Is it currently in its purest form?

[El Kabong]

Is it currently in its purest form?

I think we can ALL agree that no, Capitalism right now has been infected by government bureaucracy and in a lot of that bureaucracy hides political favors, backroom deals, a fleecing of the population....lots of underhanded tricks being played by folks in the government or people who know people in positions of power and it's not right.


To put it in better terms, the referees of this game aren't calling it square for both teams....all I want is an even playing field where the highest paid gets called for travelling and the league minimum maker gets called for his traveling just the same

[Master]

Is it currently in its purest form?

I think we can ALL agree that no, Capitalism right now has been infected by government bureaucracy and in a lot of that bureaucracy hides political favors, backroom deals, a fleecing of the population....lots of underhanded tricks being played by folks in the government or people who know people in positions of power and it's not right.


To put it in better terms, the referees of this game aren't calling it square for both teams....all I want is an even playing field where the highest paid gets called for travelling and the league minimum maker gets called for his traveling just the same

I would not say governments infected but regulated.

[Gandalf]

Slim Trae, I was wondering have you read Griffin's The Creature of Jeckyll Island? I have probably learned more from that one book than a hundred other books. Just an incredible amount of information in there. I have no idea how on earth Griffin managed to write it.

[El Kabong]

Is it currently in its purest form?

I think we can ALL agree that no, Capitalism right now has been infected by government bureaucracy and in a lot of that bureaucracy hides political favors, backroom deals, a fleecing of the population....lots of underhanded tricks being played by folks in the government or people who know people in positions of power and it's not right.


To put it in better terms, the referees of this game aren't calling it square for both teams....all I want is an even playing field where the highest paid gets called for travelling and the league minimum maker gets called for his traveling just the same

I would not say governments infected but regulated.

Look at the Clinton Foundation and Hillary as Secretary of State....infected

[brocktonblockbust]

*judicial watch* ~fucked~ her "over".