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    Default Re: cotto v kirland

    TBH, I didn't read where Hulk claimed Kirkland is "good"..... only "dangerous early." Nothing wrong with that.

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    Default Re: cotto v kirland

    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    TBH, I didn't read where Hulk claimed Kirkland is "good"..... only "dangerous early." Nothing wrong with that.
    Again, dangerous how? We are talking about a championship level opponent. He has never beat one so how is he dangerous to one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
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    TBH, I didn't read where Hulk claimed Kirkland is "good"..... only "dangerous early." Nothing wrong with that.
    Again, dangerous how? We are talking about a championship level opponent. He has never beat one so how is he dangerous to one?

    By virtue of being a big puncher. Puncher's chance and all that. He crashed and burned against Canelo, but he threw as well as received during those first rounds. Being dangerous isn't the same as being good. It's like in baseball. You can be a lousy hitter with homerun power. You might strike out 7 times out of 10, but on one of those 10 you might connect and hit a 500-foot homer.

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    Default Re: cotto v kirland

    Here's a nice challenge for all. Since I'm an idiot and I regularly call out shitty mismatches. Like all the time. Someone tell me just one that didn't go exactly according to the plot. It shouldn't be hard to think of one if II'm an idiot right? Good luck

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    Default Re: cotto v kirland

    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    TBH, I didn't read where Hulk claimed Kirkland is "good"..... only "dangerous early." Nothing wrong with that.
    Again, dangerous how? We are talking about a championship level opponent. He has never beat one so how is he dangerous to one?

    By virtue of being a big puncher. Puncher's chance and all that. He crashed and burned against Canelo, but he threw as well as received during those first rounds. Being dangerous isn't the same as being good. It's like in baseball. You can be a lousy hitter with homerun power. You might strike out 7 times out of 10, but on one of those 10 you might connect and hit a 500-foot homer.
    Except he has never landed that one at championship level. 16 years and he has never. And this will be his 2nd fight in 4 years, that won't be improving his already limited skills.

    You and I both know Kirkland is brought in to look the part and lose.

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    Default Re: cotto v kirland

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    Here's a nice challenge for all. Since I'm an idiot and I regularly call out shitty mismatches. Like all the time. Someone tell me just one that didn't go exactly according to the plot. It shouldn't be hard to think of one if II'm an idiot right? Good luck
    I don't think it's so much what u say but more how u day it but I have that problem myself at times

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    BS fight. Cotto should just retire. In a fight like this I always want the underdog to rise up and teach the taking the piss big name fighter a lesson. Not likely to happen, but I hope Cotto gets stopped in round 1. I won't watch.

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    I just want to know how Cotto is still ranked 4th by Ring in a stacked 154? I mean I know how but how . Kirkland was a full frontal force but burned out quick. Ron had it and frankly he's a guy now brought in to make a guy look devastating, almost a Mayorga role but Mayorga was a better fighter and actually punch resistance. Not knocking him for riding a rep but he peaked at Angulo and I can't get beyond listening to him try to form sentences after Canelo punched him numb. Knocks on Cotto really, either piss or get off the pot and again he looks to reset in a showcase. Anyone in their right mind think he runs with the Charlo we saw Saturday It's just a payday to guarantee Cotto sees at least one more for himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulk View Post
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    Kirkland is always dangerous early.Have to favor Cotto, despite him being the much smaller man.He's still a class or two above Kirkland in talent.
    Dangerous how?
    He's a big puncher and extremely aggressive. If Ricardo Torres can hurt you early then so can Kirkland.Obviously, Cotto is a heavy favorite and I'd pick him to stop Kirkland, but James is dangerous early.Ermosole Albert was a good fighter with reportedly 500 amateur fights and Kirkland ran over him in a round.Brian Vera went the distance and beat a huge Chavez Jr at middle, but was tortured and stopped by Kirkland. He is powerful and dangerous early.
    Agree with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    I just want to know how Cotto is still ranked 4th by Ring in a stacked 154? I mean I know how but how . Kirkland was a full frontal force but burned out quick. Ron had it and frankly he's a guy now brought in to make a guy look devastating, almost a Mayorga role but Mayorga was a better fighter and actually punch resistance. Not knocking him for riding a rep but he peaked at Angulo and I can't get beyond listening to him try to form sentences after Canelo punched him numb. Knocks on Cotto really, either piss or get off the pot and again he looks to reset in a showcase. Anyone in their right mind think he runs with the Charlo we saw Saturday It's just a payday to guarantee Cotto sees at least one more for himself.


    For the record, I'm not defending Kirkland's choice as opponent. But how is this any different from any other fighter with a storied career wanting to milk what's left of it, and get out with maximum profit? The double standard with this guy continues, and probably will as he rides off into the sunset. I will say this: He may be fighting damaged goods now. But he got off to a fast start from the beginning of his career, and fought some very tough opposition throughout. I won't get into calling out other elite fighters active now.... but we all know how different careers stack up.

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    Default Re: cotto v kirland

    Cotto will win this one easy unless he just allows Kirkland to hit him.....(ahem @TitoFan )

    Kirkland is done for, he's 32 he's a power punching pressure fighter, his days as anything other than "an opponent" are done, over
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    Default Re: cotto v kirland

    Wolfe has just joined him for this fight. Hmmm

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    Default Re: cotto v kirland

    Quote Originally Posted by holmcall View Post
    Wolfe has just joined him for this fight. Hmmm
    Wolfe actually scares me more than Kirkland. He does seem more dedicated when he has her but it's not going to make enough of a difference in this fight

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    Quote Originally Posted by holmcall View Post
    Wolfe has just joined him for this fight. Hmmm
    Won't matter unless this has just become a sanctioned handicap match Wolfe and Kirkland vs Cotto
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by holmcall View Post
    Wolfe has just joined him for this fight. Hmmm
    Won't matter unless this has just become a sanctioned handicap match Wolfe and Kirkland vs Cotto
    Lyle, could you beat Wolfe in a boxing match?

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