The Brexit Thread

[Gandalf]

The argument that you will need people from abroad to do the work needed is an argument that I really do not understand. British people can do most of the work needed to maintain a healthy and vibrant country. Asides from language teachers or cooks or things like that I am not sure who else you would need. Make the courses, train up the workers and just get on with it. Britain needs a bit more self confidence, all these doubts about being able to function with only British nurses etc. There are no British people working in hotels. They should at least have a quota of British staff. It is inverse xenophobia.

A lot of British people do not take those jobs in hotels/nursing homes etc because they see it beneath them.

Well they shouldn't because it isn't beneath them. They are good jobs and certainly in the case of hotels and the costs there is no reason not to pay well and care is important and should be paid well too. See, that is where society is wrong. Hundreds of thousands to pointless directors and not enough to the ground.

[Gandalf]

My issue with foreign workers in hotels is more simple than that, Beanz. When I go to Japan it is always Japanese people in the hotel or beyond. I want to be in Japan, so I want to experience Japan. Same here, if I go to a motel it's expected that the people working will be locals. After years in pristine isolation, you go to England and you can't find any English people working anywhere. The hotels, the shops. It's a guy in the shop with a name tag 'Abdul' or something and I just don't know why it isn't a friendly old lady called Mavis. I've nothing against Abdul. I'm sure he is very nice, but I want to hear Mavis and her accent. I don't get to interact with English people very much. You walk around London and you swear that it is the Twilight Zone. It's very strange to see.

There is no reason why English kids cannot be computer programmers, care workers, all of these things. Kids in the UK need better guidance. I wish I had more guidance and some kind of role model. I ended up looking up to William Burroughs and it just gets you in trouble. Out here you have outsiders like me doing my thing and it means I never

In terms of me. I do work that is expected of me and it means nobody is going to be short changed. If I was teaching a Japanese class I am sure

[Gandalf]

My issue with foreign workers in hotels is more simple than that, Beanz. When I go to Japan it is always Japanese people in the hotel or beyond. I want to be in Japan, so I want to experience Japan. Same here, if I go to a motel it's expected that the people working will be locals. After years in pristine isolation, you go to England and you can't find any English people working anywhere. The hotels, the shops. It's a guy in the shop with a name tag 'Abdul' or something and I just don't know why it isn't a friendly old lady called Mavis. I've nothing against Abdul. I'm sure he is very nice, but I want to hear Mavis and her accent. I don't get to interact with English people very much. You walk around London and you swear that it is the Twilight Zone. It's very strange to see.

There is no reason why English kids cannot be computer programmers, care workers, all of these things. Kids in the UK need better guidance. I wish I had more guidance and some kind of role model. I ended up looking up to William Burroughs and it just gets you in trouble. I should have studied medicine or something useful. Out here you have outsiders like me doing my thing and I am expected to do it. Or else you have factory workers doing their thing. We're both on the periphery. I kind of like it that way. I'm not against foreign people doing stuff but the UK is a bit weird. Have a Brit driving the taxis for once.

[brocktonblockbust]

The argument that you will need people from abroad to do the work needed is an argument that I really do not understand. British people can do most of the work needed to maintain a healthy and vibrant country. Asides from language teachers or cooks or things like that I am not sure who else you would need. Make the courses, train up the workers and just get on with it. Britain needs a bit more self confidence, all these doubts about being able to function with only British nurses etc. There are no British people working in hotels. They should at least have a quota of British staff. It is inverse xenophobia.

A lot of British people do not take those jobs in hotels/nursing homes etc because they see it beneath them.

Oh yeah Master? Well you'll see how fast they'll take those jobs once the pay has to be increased much higher for British Nationals. You'll see how fast they take those jobs happily and cheerfully when they need to pay their rent and they earn several pounds per hour more than currently say for example Polish people are earning over there. You'll see how fast

[X]

The situation in Catalonia/ Spain is quite ludicrously undemocratic. Police beating up people voting for independence, mass arrests of 'ringleaders' ..... it is positively Stalinesque.

I wonder if Scottish people are thinking about their mass vote against Brexit? They voted to remain in an EU where you seem to be forbidden from having an independence referendum

[Master]

The situation in Catalonia/ Spain is quite ludicrously undemocratic. Police beating up people voting for independence, mass arrests of 'ringleaders' ..... it is positively Stalinesque.

I wonder if Scottish people are thinking about their mass vote against Brexit? They voted to remain in an EU where you seem to be forbidden from having an independence referendum

Add Wales to that and Cornwall. It will never end.

[Gandalf]

I agree, it is quite awful X. What makes a government think it has the right to occupy or govern anybody? If the state is rubbish then you should reject it. All the state has is force and it relies on people doing nothing to resist. In this instance people rejected the state and it is a model that elites don't want to see repeated. They won't let the people leave quietly. You see it with the UK too, but in a more subtle way. If you want to leave the EU then leave immediately and damn the consequences. I am all for self reliance. Grow your own food, build your own weapons and turn your back on mass concentrations of power. It's one reason Iceland is so excellent and the EU is rubbish. You need to know the names and faces of everyone in charge, have them within reach and be able to remove them quickly.

[Beanz]

The situation in Catalonia/ Spain is quite ludicrously undemocratic. Police beating up people voting for independence, mass arrests of 'ringleaders' ..... it is positively Stalinesque.

I wonder if Scottish people are thinking about their mass vote against Brexit? They voted to remain in an EU where you seem to be forbidden from having an independence referendum

Add Wales to that and Cornwall. It will never end.

Cornwall and Devon were originally part of Wales. In 838 the West Welsh fought the Saxons at Callington about 30 mins over the border in Cornwall form where I live, but I digress. I have just had a friend return to Barca after coming back to Plymouth for Family business and he has posted up a video of Catalan Police having to protect a School from Spanish Police and their fascist tendencies. Nothing from the EU condemning it, but also nothing from the PM or Boris either. They are as bad, unconnected, bureaucratic as each other.

[Master]

Brexit is a complete mess under these Conservative wankers who have no regard for the public and are interested in their own personal games of power and ego.

Boris is a complete an utter useless cock and should have been sacked ages ago.

May is hanging on by her finger tips.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44770847

[El Kabong]

Nigel Farrage will be returning to UKIP which will be targeting Tories who have wilted from their duties in enforcing the will of the people. Should be a welcomed sight from the Labour perspective as May is injuring the Tory brand already.


It should be rather interesting going forward.

[Master]

Nigel Farrage will be returning to UKIP which will be targeting Tories who have wilted from their duties in enforcing the will of the people. Should be a welcomed sight from the Labour perspective as May is injuring the Tory brand already.


It should be rather interesting going forward.

Farrage is another opportunist who left UKIP because he knew there was no need for it and was still going to keep his European pension the hypocrite.

2 years wasted by these dicks in government.

Labour should be miles ahead in the polls but they are struggling for support mainly because they see Corbyn as unelectable.

There is a long process for May to resign yet and another general election to be called and it is the last thing the country needs.

Total pig's ear of a mess.

[Batman]

Nigel Farrage will be returning to UKIP which will be targeting Tories who have wilted from their duties in enforcing the will of the people. Should be a welcomed sight from the Labour perspective as May is injuring the Tory brand already.


It should be rather interesting going forward.

Farrage is another opportunist who left UKIP because he knew there was no need for it and was still going to keep his European pension the hypocrite.

2 years wasted by these dicks in government.

Labour should be miles ahead in the polls but they are struggling for support mainly because they see Corbyn as unelectable.

There is a long process for May to resign yet and another general election to be called and it is the last thing the country needs.

Total pig's ear of a mess.

What we need is a big balloon

[El Kabong]

David Cameron 'asked Barack Obama' to make 'back of the queue' Brexit warning
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...obama-12836776


David Cameron asked Barack Obama to issue his famous 'back of the queue' warning about a post-Brexit trade deal with the US, a former advisor claimed today.

Number 10 insisted at the time that the US President was using his own words when he made the comment, during a press conference with the former PM ahead of the EU referendum .


But there was intense speculation at the time that the remark may have been scripted by Number 10, because the word "queue" is rarely used by Americans, who tend to prefer the phrase "back of the line".

Mr Obama's then-foreign policy speechwriter Ben Rhodes has now revealed that the comment came up during a discussion between the US and UK sides about the implications of Brexit , and said that it was Mr Cameron who suggested the president should repeat it in public.

But Mr Rhodes stressed that Mr Obama believed that the warning was correct.

Speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Rhodes said: "We had come here to try to help the Remain campaign and we had a meeting with David Cameron and his team and we were all kind of in violent agreement about the negative consequences of Brexit.

"And in talking about the press conference they were going to hold together - Cameron and Obama - we were discussing the arguments for the Brexit campaign."




Well that ain't a good look at all.

[Master]

It was obvious Obama was backing his friend Cameron on the Brexit campaign.

I do not think it helped and may have hindered the Remain vote for some. Ultimately it ended the then Prime Minister and good riddance.

[El Kabong]