sure thing Ron
Sending contracts doesn't mean the contracts are good or fair, I could EASILY "send you a contract" which I know you'd refuse doesn't mean a fucking thing. Floyd fought who he wanted when he wanted to fight them and at the weight he wanted to fight them at....prove me wrong.
As for Margarito, ok, so Floyd was injured, he fought Baldomir in November of 2006....Margarito fought Joshua Clottey in December of 2006...THE...FIGHT...COULD....HAVE....BEEN.....MAD E....FULLSTOP
OK, you're a prize fighter, boxing is your ONLY means of providing for your family and you're going to fight someone calling himself "The Greatest of All-Time" and he's going to pay you a pittance....do you take that fight? Or do you attempt to negotiate more money for yourself?
Who knows if Floyd would beat Margarito or Williams, he never even got close to fighting either one of them. Who knows if Floyd would have lasted with a prime Miguel Cotto ro a Ricky Hatton at 140, who knows we sure as shit didn't fucking see that did we?!?!?!
Pacquiao and Mosley and Cotto II ain't the Margarito I'm talking about numbnuts there's a difference between THAT guy and the guy who gave Cotto his first L....sure there's the loaded wraps angle to this as well, the point is Floyd NEVER fought Margarito, he NEVER fought Paul Williams....remind me who Ray Leonard NEVER fought again and then tell me who has the fucking audacity to say "I'm the Greatest of All-Time"
I'm not saying he isn't audacious and I'm not saying he is the GOAT.
What I'm saying is that he has every right to put himself forward. Others will make their opinions of that.
If you were in the top 2 p4p for nigh on 20 years and you were never beat, and you fought as many hall of famers as he did, don't you think you would be bigging yourself up?
Btw. You still didn't answer the questions. Answer them and it'll all fall into place "numbnuts " 😉
Did he fight them in their primes? Did he fight them at their best weights? Did Floyd beat the BEST versions of the fighters he fought.....Duran beat the best version of Ray Leonard, Ray Leonard beat the best version of Tommy Hearns, Ali-Frazier, Holyfield-Bowe, etc.
Floyd is a great fighter and I've never said he wasn't talented, amazing talent, amazing skill. My issue is that he waited guys out....now more power to Floyd for being able to focus on the likes of Carlos Baldomir and not slipping up, but as a fan wouldn't it have been more impressive to beat Margarito at that point? Wouldn't it have been more impressive to beat an undefeated Cotto, and undefeated Paul Williams? Just saying Floyd had plenty of opportunity to make those things happen and he chose not to.
You look at a guy like Rocky Marciano where there's not many top tier fighters in the division and there's no bouncing around weight classes to make a superfight happen...he fought everyone he beat everyone.
You look at Floyd's resume and there are a couple more names you could have fit in there, there were a few fights which should have happened earlier, but it is what it is....great talent, but does he get to say "I'm the greatest, I'm the best!" and not actually be held to a standard? NO not in my view he doesn't....great fighter, greatest? Not by a longshot!
First of all, I don't necessarily disagree. I certainly don't think he was the greatest, but he has the right to put himself into consideration. Rightly or wrongly, he could turn around and say "yeah, but what have SRR,SRL,ALI, Louis all got in common? They all lost! Marciano never lost, but my record is better. I beat more champions in more weight divisions."
Now Floyd is a prick as a guy although he has mellowed and grown up a little. But as a Boxer, there hasn't been anyone better in the last 25 years.
Either you're trolling or your ignorant. That's why I said "I assume you know....". So that means you know about SRR history of domestic violence, you know Tommy Hearns criminal violence charges etcetera. Your post was too obvious. You'll troll better if you don't make it so obvious. Use some real facts and slip in your agenda. Make it hard for us to tell you BSing. If it's all hypocrisy and blatant hypocrisy you fool nobody.
[QUOTE=El Kabong;1414215] sure thing Ron
Sending contracts doesn't mean the contracts are good or fair, I could EASILY "send you a contract" which I know you'd refuse doesn't mean a fucking thing. Floyd fought who he wanted when he wanted to fight them and at the weight he wanted to fight them at....prove me wrong.
As for Margarito, ok, so Floyd was injured, he fought Baldomir in November of 2006....Margarito fought Joshua Clottey in December of 2006...THE...FIGHT...COULD....HAVE....BEEN.....MAD E....FULLSTOP
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I supplied facts and you supplied opinion not addressing those facts. So let me explain it again
Hatton turned down contracts and made no counter offers. You started this saying it wasn't Hatton that was delaying it. I supplied a piece where Hatton says out of his own mouth that they weren't looking to fight Floyd. Facts. I alreafy proved you wrong.
As for Margarito you skip over the main factors. If Floydwa nted out of his contractt he couldn't wait, there was a timetable to the buyout option. And if Floyd did sign to fight Margarito the contract included an extension that would only get him 7 million for Cotto or 7 million for Hatton and no DLH fight. That's about 100 million in losses. It was a shit f'n contract. Try and debate that fact. Try!
We could always discuss his legacy in the scope of his cherrypicking and avoiding real threats, but let's all agree on something: he's a terrible and shit human being
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Not trying to get in the middle of this debate/discussion or choose sides, but have a slightly different perspective than the two of you on the Floyd-Zab fight. I feel that the fight was still made because most of the public felt that while Zab lost to Baldy, he was still the better fighter and bigger threat to Floyd. Not saying that this perception was right or wrong, just saying that most felt Zab was his typical, arrogant self, and had lost due to taking Baldy lightly and looking ahead to fight Floyd. I actually thought it was an interesting match up, and think it was a solid performance/win for Floyd. I also think it is a positive that he went on to beat Baldy after, so he could claim the lineal championship. Anyways, don't want to derail your conversation, just wanted to add to it. I will back out now!!!
Wasted fight because there was no reason to have it and Floyd could have fought someone who was a real threat not someone who lost to a poor fighter who was on a good run.
Regarding Hatton, Floyd would have had a tougher fight against him at light welter that is for sure.
Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.
Floyd left unbeaten, with his health and the most earning. I think he won on all sides.
Bigger man George, bigger punch!
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I agree that FMJ was a great champion but I don't let his defensive brilliance make me think he was a great fighter.... Floyd always looked to avoid contact in the ring and that's just not my thing in boxing.... I like guys that are willing to risk all in order to land their own best punches.....
If Floyd fights the MMA fighter then it shows exactly what a cosmetic and plastic fighter Floyd was on the ATG list.
Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.
Thank you Ron for working so hard to prove my point for me in your very own argument
You mean somebody can turn down a contract because the contract is bad?!?!?!?! I mean WOW, what a surprise.....but Hatton didn't do that he turned down the contract because why again?
Hey did Floyd counter offer contracts for that extension?
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