Trump withdraws from the 2015 Paris Climate agreement

[Beanz]

195 countries sign. World's second largest polluter pulls out. Trump just like like a spoiled baby. The world is laughing at him. 2 billion dollars worth of US renewable energy changes and he just flicked the v's at them. Lo Carbon is the future whether he believes it or not. You do not even have to believe in climate change. On pollution levels alone it makes sense.

[El Kabong]

'Trump pulls out of Paris Accord, stocks rise. Why isn't the end of civilization priced into the market? '-Scott Adams

Paris Accord to cost U.S. 1.1 million industrial jobs & cost every U.S. family an extra 20% per yr on electric bill.

[brocktonblockbust]

fuck Paris and fuck Al Gore.

[Gandalf]

Another example of Trump being an ignorant and reckless man. Actually pollution has become a big issue out here and people want an end to coal which is making the air very toxic. Even if it's not global warming you need clean air. If they would invest as much as they do into bombs in the West the prices of renewables would fall drastically. America has shown itself to be quite fundamentalist and only bothered about short term gain again. It will tell in the long run as other countries think more long term.

You hear arguments like those from Lyle, but surely quality of life is more important than an energy bill. It's like Tories who don't want to fund free lunches. Healthy kids means long term NHS costs go down. It's another example of short termism and lack of concern about quality of life. It is a right wing mentality. Same mentality as that towards the environment. Deregulate, frack, pollute, short term profit, to heck with the rest of you. Me, me, me for those who already control and dominate. Those that invest will have a better environment and pull ahead.

[walrus]

You idiots trump campaigned saying he would do this. It would cost us three trillion dollars. You fools there are reasons for this you ignoramus

[bcollins]

'Trump pulls out of Paris Accord, stocks rise. Why isn't the end of civilization priced into the market? '-Scott Adams

Paris Accord to cost U.S. 1.1 million industrial jobs & cost every U.S. family an extra 20% per yr on electric bill.

Why is the economic cost the only one under consideration? If you willfully ignore other factors - factors that have the potential to be even more costly, economically speaking - then you truly fail to make an objective, informed decision.

[walrus]

'Trump pulls out of Paris Accord, stocks rise. Why isn't the end of civilization priced into the market? '-Scott Adams

Paris Accord to cost U.S. 1.1 million industrial jobs & cost every U.S. family an extra 20% per yr on electric bill.

Why is the economic cost the only one under consideration? If you willfully ignore other factors - factors that have the potential to be even more costly, economically speaking - then you truly fail to make an objective, informed decision.

We have moved well into environmental protection. It has no teeth and China doesn't have to do anything for a decade or more and they have overtaken us in emissions. The fact that this would cost us three trillion dollars is unnacptable. We are 20 trillion in debt. We just need to look at the bottom line. Trump is fulfilling a campaign promise that the people voted him in for. We would also have to give India billions of dollars in foreign aid as that's what they wanted prior to agreeing to sign. Many countries won't follow the rules as there is no inspections or penalties for not following the agreement. It really was just a feel good photo op and a waste of money putting a bunch of dignitaries in fancy hotels as they hammered out this useless deal.

[brocktonblockbust]

oh , air pollution a thing in South Korea? Blame China, not the US!

[Gandalf]

oh , air pollution a thing in South Korea? Blame China, not the US!

Did I blame the US for the pollution here? I brought it up because it is a serious problem. The pollution is 40% domestic and 60% from China. Here it is because of the use of coal and it has become a political issue. Obviously it cannot carry on like this as people are getting sick and dying. Isn't it a terrible thing when people die because they cannot even breathe the air? It's bad whoever does it wherever it happens. Most countries of the world accept it is a problem and want to do something. Do you not think Trump is being shortsighted on this or can he still do no wrong?

[Gandalf]

'Trump pulls out of Paris Accord, stocks rise. Why isn't the end of civilization priced into the market? '-Scott Adams

Paris Accord to cost U.S. 1.1 million industrial jobs & cost every U.S. family an extra 20% per yr on electric bill.

Why is the economic cost the only one under consideration? If you willfully ignore other factors - factors that have the potential to be even more costly, economically speaking - then you truly fail to make an objective, informed decision.

We have moved well into environmental protection. It has no teeth and China doesn't have to do anything for a decade or more and they have overtaken us in emissions. The fact that this would cost us three trillion dollars is unnacptable. We are 20 trillion in debt. We just need to look at the bottom line. Trump is fulfilling a campaign promise that the people voted him in for. We would also have to give India billions of dollars in foreign aid as that's what they wanted prior to agreeing to sign. Many countries won't follow the rules as there is no inspections or penalties for not following the agreement. It really was just a feel good photo op and a waste of money putting a bunch of dignitaries in fancy hotels as they hammered out this useless deal.

Stop making excuses, Walrus. If you really want a decent world for tomorrow then things have to change. Maybe the air is good where you are, but where I live people have to wear masks just to go outside. Microscopic particles get lodged in the lungs and cause asthma, lung disease and cancer. That isn't even mentioning global warming. The least we can do is keep the air clean and keep the planet inhabitable. The burning of coal and use of petrol is done simply because a few entities make a lot of money and want to maintain the existing order. There is plenty of energy out there and it can be clean and not particularly expensive as seen in India where solar energy is at record low prices due to investment. Trump is ignorant and/or vested in the status quo. Obviously he doesn't care as him and his closest are not going to be around fracking, high pollution areas or low level islands. I guess that is why they have all those nuclear bunkers all prepared and none of us are getting in. They risk it all and know they have an escape route. Nobody else does.

[walrus]

'Trump pulls out of Paris Accord, stocks rise. Why isn't the end of civilization priced into the market? '-Scott Adams

Paris Accord to cost U.S. 1.1 million industrial jobs & cost every U.S. family an extra 20% per yr on electric bill.

Why is the economic cost the only one under consideration? If you willfully ignore other factors - factors that have the potential to be even more costly, economically speaking - then you truly fail to make an objective, informed decision.

We have moved well into environmental protection. It has no teeth and China doesn't have to do anything for a decade or more and they have overtaken us in emissions. The fact that this would cost us three trillion dollars is unnacptable. We are 20 trillion in debt. We just need to look at the bottom line. Trump is fulfilling a campaign promise that the people voted him in for. We would also have to give India billions of dollars in foreign aid as that's what they wanted prior to agreeing to sign. Many countries won't follow the rules as there is no inspections or penalties for not following the agreement. It really was just a feel good photo op and a waste of money putting a bunch of dignitaries in fancy hotels as they hammered out this useless deal.

Stop making excuses, Walrus. If you really want a decent world for tomorrow then things have to change. Maybe the air is good where you are, but where I live people have to wear masks just to go outside. Microscopic particles get lodged in the lungs and cause asthma, lung disease and cancer. That isn't even mentioning global warming. The least we can do is keep the air clean and keep the planet inhabitable. The burning of coal and use of petrol is done simply because a few entities make a lot of money and want to maintain the existing order. There is plenty of energy out there and it can be clean and not particularly expensive as seen in India where solar energy is at record low prices due to investment. Trump is ignorant and/or vested in the status quo. Obviously he doesn't care as him and his closest are not going to be around fracking, high pollution areas or low level islands. I guess that is why they have all those nuclear bunkers all prepared and none of us are getting in. They risk it all and know they have an escape route. Nobody else does.

The whole Paris deal was based on reducing the temperature two tenths of one degree. The whole thing was a side show. I'm stocked up in my mansion with a safe room and a bunker so I'm good no matter what

[El Kabong]

'Trump pulls out of Paris Accord, stocks rise. Why isn't the end of civilization priced into the market? '-Scott Adams

Paris Accord to cost U.S. 1.1 million industrial jobs & cost every U.S. family an extra 20% per yr on electric bill.

Why is the economic cost the only one under consideration? If you willfully ignore other factors - factors that have the potential to be even more costly, economically speaking - then you truly fail to make an objective, informed decision.

Alright then....your end goal is what? What is the end game for a climate scientist? Do people have cars? Is there ANY industry at all? Please do lay out the homeostasis between man and the climate if such a thing is actually achievable, what does that world look like?

[Beanz]

'Trump pulls out of Paris Accord, stocks rise. Why isn't the end of civilization priced into the market? '-Scott Adams

Paris Accord to cost U.S. 1.1 million industrial jobs & cost every U.S. family an extra 20% per yr on electric bill.

Why is the economic cost the only one under consideration? If you willfully ignore other factors - factors that have the potential to be even more costly, economically speaking - then you truly fail to make an objective, informed decision.

Alright then....your end goal is what? What is the end game for a climate scientist? Do people have cars? Is there ANY industry at all? Please do lay out the homeostasis between man and the climate if such a thing is actually achievable, what does that world look like?

Why do you have to take everything to extremes? You have turned into a conspiracy nut where even the waitress offering you sugar for your coffee has the potential to be giving you strychnine. You can run cars on Hydrogen and renewable power is already a tried and tested safe and cheap alternative to conventional fossil fuels. So there is absolutely no merit to your suggestion that responsible conservation can keep both cars and actually provide sustainable jobs in growing industries.

We are not running out of hydrogen or wind or solar power anytime soon.


The world is changing. Better hop on before you get left behind.

[Memphis]

Quick question. Why is it such an awful thing that America have pulled out of this deal?

Lets assume for one crazy moment that any pledges America made in signing this deal are still going to happen and that they aren't going to start an Eiffel Tower sized coal fire in the rain forest in celebration.

What difference does it make?

As an aside. It really fills me with embarrassment as an English man when I hear English commentary on all things Trump. It doesnt matter if its here, in the office or on the news, I find it unbearably arrogant. I genuinely dont know where we as a people get the stones to snigger over our tea and toast given that we're doing such a great job of running our country.

[El Kabong]

Why do you have to take everything to extremes? You have turned into a conspiracy nut where even the waitress offering you sugar for your coffee has the potential to be giving you strychnine. You can run cars on Hydrogen and renewable power is already a tried and tested safe and cheap alternative to conventional fossil fuels. So there is absolutely no merit to your suggestion that responsible conservation can keep both cars and actually provide sustainable jobs in growing industries.

We are not running out of hydrogen or wind or solar power anytime soon.


The world is changing. Better hop on before you get left behind.

Ummm I'm sorry I thought Climate Change was an EXXXXXTREME threat to humanity ergo rights must be taken away, livelihoods must be ruined, power plants must be closed, and any kind of industrialization must be halted or else _________ might happen be it the sea levels rising millimeters over a period of decades OR giant storms that we created OR manbearpig.


Hydrogen is a volatile gas there are car multiple wrecks every single day that MIGHT be a bad idea to run 100% of vehicles on that gas. What renewable power can you run cars on? Wind? Solar?


Let me just ask you a question (which I already know the answer to by the way)....Where does hydrogen come from? You know, so you can use it for all of these wonderful things like cars and industry. Also how would one go about moving Hydrogen....through a pipeline? On a tanker truck? A boat? This isn't the EXTREME it's a matter of being pragmatic and practical. These are veryday questions that people in the working world will have to address.

Just in case you'd care for an opinion that is not mine here you go...
http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie.../a926/4199381/


Yeah, the world changes regardless of what us humans do, the climate has changed before and will change again.....regardless of what people do. The human impact on the climate is small to nil, now people might disagree with that, but 1 big volcano eruption will make anything the Paris Accord set out to do moot