Ward vs Calzaghe

[Primo Carnera]

Ward isn't alien to making adjustments either. Like you said, BHOP gave Calzaghe problems, so a version 10-15 years younger might just beat him. Ward for me.

You are Italian that is sacrilegious!

I know mate, I went to watch Joe live a few times as well and I like him, but just trying to tell it as it is.
Having said that , Joe would've beaten every other British SMW there has been, hands down.
So how does it feel that Britain's Rea test ever SMW was in fact ITALIAN? ������������

Mate, I know you say this kind of thing all the time, and I THINK it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, but would you truly consider Calzaghe to be more of an Italian than a Welshman?
For most people he's a Brit/Welsh with Italian heritage.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've seen logic of yours in regards to other fighters that if applied to Calzaghe would preclude him being primarily 'Italian' .

Mate, you're right, it is a bit tongue in cheek, but I do disagree with you slightly. I see him more as Welsh/Italian , British doesn't come into it. He clearly feels that way as well.
He used to have the Welsh and Italian flags on his shorts , but I never saw a Union Jack.
This is the age old theme where if he's Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) and he's unsuccessful, then he's Welsh. But if he's Welsh and successful, then he's BRITISH.
Whereas if he's English and successful, he's English.
He's clearly Welsh and I'm not really trying to claim him for Italy, that's for him to do himself.
But I know for an absolute fact that he feels more Italian than he does English or even British.

Despite being born in England and Wales being in Britain.

Nice one @Beanz. How about a bit of light reading for you. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oly...rn-abroad.html
After you've read that, I wonder if you could let me know the nationality of the sportsmen listed below, going by your own rules of eligibility .
Mo Farah, Chris Froome, Bradley Wiggins, Justin Rose, Mike Catt, Mako Vunipola, Manu Tuilagi, Toby Faletau, John Barnes, Owen Hargreaves, Greg Rusedski and let's not even mention Cricketers.
Trust me , that list was concocted in about 5 minutes, I'm sure I could add many,many more.
Remember this was YOUR line of reasoning. Have a nice day.

[TitoFan]

LMAO at the times I've seen someone claim that nationality plays no part in their being fans of certain boxers (I've read this here a LOT)..... and then those very same people scramble to stake a claim in X or Y boxer. Boxing as a whole (including us fans) is a wholly entertaining sport.

Of course, a lot has to do with the fighter's record and skill level. If he's no good, nobody claims him. If he's great, pull out the birth certificates, places and times of residence, Olympic representations, etc, etc.

[sanatogen]

Calzaghe can dig deep and find a way to win due to him being versatile, extremely fast , extremely fit and also a cold hearted bastard when a fight is going against him. He absolutely hates to lose.

He's a mirror image of some of Wards characteristics, making for a great matchup.

Calzaghe nicks it on points

[Beanz]

Ward isn't alien to making adjustments either. Like you said, BHOP gave Calzaghe problems, so a version 10-15 years younger might just beat him. Ward for me.

You are Italian that is sacrilegious!

I know mate, I went to watch Joe live a few times as well and I like him, but just trying to tell it as it is.
Having said that , Joe would've beaten every other British SMW there has been, hands down.
So how does it feel that Britain's Rea test ever SMW was in fact ITALIAN? ������������

Mate, I know you say this kind of thing all the time, and I THINK it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, but would you truly consider Calzaghe to be more of an Italian than a Welshman?
For most people he's a Brit/Welsh with Italian heritage.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've seen logic of yours in regards to other fighters that if applied to Calzaghe would preclude him being primarily 'Italian' .

Mate, you're right, it is a bit tongue in cheek, but I do disagree with you slightly. I see him more as Welsh/Italian , British doesn't come into it. He clearly feels that way as well.
He used to have the Welsh and Italian flags on his shorts , but I never saw a Union Jack.
This is the age old theme where if he's Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) and he's unsuccessful, then he's Welsh. But if he's Welsh and successful, then he's BRITISH.
Whereas if he's English and successful, he's English.
He's clearly Welsh and I'm not really trying to claim him for Italy, that's for him to do himself.
But I know for an absolute fact that he feels more Italian than he does English or even British.

Despite being born in England and Wales being in Britain.

Nice one @Beanz. How about a bit of light reading for you. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oly...rn-abroad.html
After you've read that, I wonder if you could let me know the nationality of the sportsmen listed below, going by your own rules of eligibility .
Mo Farah, Chris Froome, Bradley Wiggins, Justin Rose, Mike Catt, Mako Vunipola, Manu Tuilagi, Toby Faletau, John Barnes, Owen Hargreaves, Greg Rusedski and let's not even mention Cricketers.
Trust me , that list was concocted in about 5 minutes, I'm sure I could add many,many more.
Remember this was YOUR line of reasoning. Have a nice day.

By any criteria he is British. He was born in Britain, grew up in Britain, fought as Both an Amateur and Pro in Britain as a Brit with a British Passport. Even his dad moved from Italy to England when he was two so quite why you have such a problem with him being British is a bit beyond me. He has not even ever (to the best of my knowledge) represented Italy so you are just clutching at straws now.

[Primo Carnera]

Ward isn't alien to making adjustments either. Like you said, BHOP gave Calzaghe problems, so a version 10-15 years younger might just beat him. Ward for me.

You are Italian that is sacrilegious!

I know mate, I went to watch Joe live a few times as well and I like him, but just trying to tell it as it is.
Having said that , Joe would've beaten every other British SMW there has been, hands down.
So how does it feel that Britain's Rea test ever SMW was in fact ITALIAN? ������������

Mate, I know you say this kind of thing all the time, and I THINK it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, but would you truly consider Calzaghe to be more of an Italian than a Welshman?
For most people he's a Brit/Welsh with Italian heritage.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've seen logic of yours in regards to other fighters that if applied to Calzaghe would preclude him being primarily 'Italian' .

Mate, you're right, it is a bit tongue in cheek, but I do disagree with you slightly. I see him more as Welsh/Italian , British doesn't come into it. He clearly feels that way as well.
He used to have the Welsh and Italian flags on his shorts , but I never saw a Union Jack.
This is the age old theme where if he's Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) and he's unsuccessful, then he's Welsh. But if he's Welsh and successful, then he's BRITISH.
Whereas if he's English and successful, he's English.
He's clearly Welsh and I'm not really trying to claim him for Italy, that's for him to do himself.
But I know for an absolute fact that he feels more Italian than he does English or even British.

Despite being born in England and Wales being in Britain.

Nice one @Beanz. How about a bit of light reading for you. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oly...rn-abroad.html
After you've read that, I wonder if you could let me know the nationality of the sportsmen listed below, going by your own rules of eligibility .
Mo Farah, Chris Froome, Bradley Wiggins, Justin Rose, Mike Catt, Mako Vunipola, Manu Tuilagi, Toby Faletau, John Barnes, Owen Hargreaves, Greg Rusedski and let's not even mention Cricketers.
Trust me , that list was concocted in about 5 minutes, I'm sure I could add many,many more.
Remember this was YOUR line of reasoning. Have a nice day.

By any criteria he is British. He was born in Britain, grew up in Britain, fought as Both an Amateur and Pro in Britain as a Brit with a British Passport. Even his dad moved from Italy to England when he was two so quite why you have such a problem with him being British is a bit beyond me. He has not even ever (to the best of my knowledge) represented Italy so you are just clutching at straws now.

Mate , I have no problem, I really don't. It seems you do though, as your posts are getting longer and more desperate, yet never addressing the FACTS that I put forward.
I conceded that he is clearly Welsh. All I said was that HE feels more Italian than British.
He wore a Welsh and Italian Flags on his shorts, but never a Union Jack.
Why are you so desperate to claim a part of him? Because he was born in London?
I posted contradictory examples, but you chose not to reply.
It's funny, I never hear anyone talk about Kerry Hope being British.....well not since he lost his European title anyway.😉

[Batman]

Ward isn't alien to making adjustments either. Like you said, BHOP gave Calzaghe problems, so a version 10-15 years younger might just beat him. Ward for me.

You are Italian that is sacrilegious!

I know mate, I went to watch Joe live a few times as well and I like him, but just trying to tell it as it is.
Having said that , Joe would've beaten every other British SMW there has been, hands down.
So how does it feel that Britain's Rea test ever SMW was in fact ITALIAN? ������������

Mate, I know you say this kind of thing all the time, and I THINK it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, but would you truly consider Calzaghe to be more of an Italian than a Welshman?
For most people he's a Brit/Welsh with Italian heritage.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've seen logic of yours in regards to other fighters that if applied to Calzaghe would preclude him being primarily 'Italian' .

Mate, you're right, it is a bit tongue in cheek, but I do disagree with you slightly. I see him more as Welsh/Italian , British doesn't come into it. He clearly feels that way as well.
He used to have the Welsh and Italian flags on his shorts , but I never saw a Union Jack.
This is the age old theme where if he's Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) and he's unsuccessful, then he's Welsh. But if he's Welsh and successful, then he's BRITISH.
Whereas if he's English and successful, he's English.
He's clearly Welsh and I'm not really trying to claim him for Italy, that's for him to do himself.
But I know for an absolute fact that he feels more Italian than he does English or even British.

Despite being born in England and Wales being in Britain.

Nice one @Beanz. How about a bit of light reading for you. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oly...rn-abroad.html
After you've read that, I wonder if you could let me know the nationality of the sportsmen listed below, going by your own rules of eligibility .
Mo Farah, Chris Froome, Bradley Wiggins, Justin Rose, Mike Catt, Mako Vunipola, Manu Tuilagi, Toby Faletau, John Barnes, Owen Hargreaves, Greg Rusedski and let's not even mention Cricketers.
Trust me , that list was concocted in about 5 minutes, I'm sure I could add many,many more.
Remember this was YOUR line of reasoning. Have a nice day.

By any criteria he is British. He was born in Britain, grew up in Britain, fought as Both an Amateur and Pro in Britain as a Brit with a British Passport. Even his dad moved from Italy to England when he was two so quite why you have such a problem with him being British is a bit beyond me. He has not even ever (to the best of my knowledge) represented Italy so you are just clutching at straws now.

Mate , I have no problem, I really don't. It seems you do though, as your posts are getting longer and more desperate, yet never addressing the FACTS that I put forward.
I conceded that he is clearly Welsh. All I said was that HE feels more Italian than British.
He wore a Welsh and Italian Flags on his shorts, but never a Union Jack.
Why are you so desperate to claim a part of him? Because he was born in London?
I posted contradictory examples, but you chose not to reply.
It's funny, I never hear anyone talk about Kerry Hope being British.....well not since he lost his European title anyway.😉

I never liked Calzaghe, he is Welsh
I don't like Amir Khan, he is Welsh
I don't like David Haye, he is Welsh

if I don't like you then you are Welsh

@Master and all this time you thought you were English...you Welsh cunt

[Beanz]

Ward isn't alien to making adjustments either. Like you said, BHOP gave Calzaghe problems, so a version 10-15 years younger might just beat him. Ward for me.

You are Italian that is sacrilegious!

I know mate, I went to watch Joe live a few times as well and I like him, but just trying to tell it as it is.
Having said that , Joe would've beaten every other British SMW there has been, hands down.
So how does it feel that Britain's Rea test ever SMW was in fact ITALIAN? ������������

Mate, I know you say this kind of thing all the time, and I THINK it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, but would you truly consider Calzaghe to be more of an Italian than a Welshman?
For most people he's a Brit/Welsh with Italian heritage.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've seen logic of yours in regards to other fighters that if applied to Calzaghe would preclude him being primarily 'Italian' .

Mate, you're right, it is a bit tongue in cheek, but I do disagree with you slightly. I see him more as Welsh/Italian , British doesn't come into it. He clearly feels that way as well.
He used to have the Welsh and Italian flags on his shorts , but I never saw a Union Jack.
This is the age old theme where if he's Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) and he's unsuccessful, then he's Welsh. But if he's Welsh and successful, then he's BRITISH.
Whereas if he's English and successful, he's English.
He's clearly Welsh and I'm not really trying to claim him for Italy, that's for him to do himself.
But I know for an absolute fact that he feels more Italian than he does English or even British.

Despite being born in England and Wales being in Britain.

Nice one @Beanz. How about a bit of light reading for you. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oly...rn-abroad.html
After you've read that, I wonder if you could let me know the nationality of the sportsmen listed below, going by your own rules of eligibility .
Mo Farah, Chris Froome, Bradley Wiggins, Justin Rose, Mike Catt, Mako Vunipola, Manu Tuilagi, Toby Faletau, John Barnes, Owen Hargreaves, Greg Rusedski and let's not even mention Cricketers.
Trust me , that list was concocted in about 5 minutes, I'm sure I could add many,many more.
Remember this was YOUR line of reasoning. Have a nice day.

By any criteria he is British. He was born in Britain, grew up in Britain, fought as Both an Amateur and Pro in Britain as a Brit with a British Passport. Even his dad moved from Italy to England when he was two so quite why you have such a problem with him being British is a bit beyond me. He has not even ever (to the best of my knowledge) represented Italy so you are just clutching at straws now.

Mate , I have no problem, I really don't. It seems you do though, as your posts are getting longer and more desperate, yet never addressing the FACTS that I put forward.
I conceded that he is clearly Welsh. All I said was that HE feels more Italian than British.
He wore a Welsh and Italian Flags on his shorts, but never a Union Jack.
Why are you so desperate to claim a part of him? Because he was born in London?
I posted contradictory examples, but you chose not to reply.
It's funny, I never hear anyone talk about Kerry Hope being British.....well not since he lost his European title anyway.������

Claim a part of him? Do you have shares in him then? I am British. He is British. What is your problem with people being British? I have never heard him say he feels more Italian than British are you going to tell me that the Welsh and and Scots don't feel British next? The Anglo Saxons used to call where I live West Wales so I would like to claim one fifth of him if we are going Dutch.

[Ron Swanson]

Wasn't Calzaghe called the Italian Dragon or something like that?

[Beanz]

Wasn't Calzaghe called the Italian Dragon or something like that?

Yes he was. He was also called "The Pride of Wales" .

[Batman]

I never liked him but I'd say he was Welsh first and British second, the Italian thing was just a selling point I reckon

[Primo Carnera]

Calzaghe can dig deep and find a way to win due to him being versatile, extremely fast , extremely fit and also a cold hearted bastard when a fight is going against him. He absolutely hates to lose.

He's a mirror image of some of Wards characteristics, making for a great matchup.

Calzaghe nicks it on points

Ward isn't alien to making adjustments either. Like you said, BHOP gave Calzaghe problems, so a version 10-15 years younger might just beat him. Ward for me.

You are Italian that is sacrilegious!

I know mate, I went to watch Joe live a few times as well and I like him, but just trying to tell it as it is.
Having said that , Joe would've beaten every other British SMW there has been, hands down.
So how does it feel that Britain's Rea test ever SMW was in fact ITALIAN? ������������

Mate, I know you say this kind of thing all the time, and I THINK it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, but would you truly consider Calzaghe to be more of an Italian than a Welshman?
For most people he's a Brit/Welsh with Italian heritage.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've seen logic of yours in regards to other fighters that if applied to Calzaghe would preclude him being primarily 'Italian' .

Mate, you're right, it is a bit tongue in cheek, but I do disagree with you slightly. I see him more as Welsh/Italian , British doesn't come into it. He clearly feels that way as well.
He used to have the Welsh and Italian flags on his shorts , but I never saw a Union Jack.
This is the age old theme where if he's Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) and he's unsuccessful, then he's Welsh. But if he's Welsh and successful, then he's BRITISH.
Whereas if he's English and successful, he's English.
He's clearly Welsh and I'm not really trying to claim him for Italy, that's for him to do himself.
But I know for an absolute fact that he feels more Italian than he does English or even British.

Despite being born in England and Wales being in Britain.

Nice one @Beanz. How about a bit of light reading for you. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oly...rn-abroad.html
After you've read that, I wonder if you could let me know the nationality of the sportsmen listed below, going by your own rules of eligibility .
Mo Farah, Chris Froome, Bradley Wiggins, Justin Rose, Mike Catt, Mako Vunipola, Manu Tuilagi, Toby Faletau, John Barnes, Owen Hargreaves, Greg Rusedski and let's not even mention Cricketers.
Trust me , that list was concocted in about 5 minutes, I'm sure I could add many,many more.
Remember this was YOUR line of reasoning. Have a nice day.

By any criteria he is British. He was born in Britain, grew up in Britain, fought as Both an Amateur and Pro in Britain as a Brit with a British Passport. Even his dad moved from Italy to England when he was two so quite why you have such a problem with him being British is a bit beyond me. He has not even ever (to the best of my knowledge) represented Italy so you are just clutching at straws now.

Mate , I have no problem, I really don't. It seems you do though, as your posts are getting longer and more desperate, yet never addressing the FACTS that I put forward.
I conceded that he is clearly Welsh. All I said was that HE feels more Italian than British.
He wore a Welsh and Italian Flags on his shorts, but never a Union Jack.
Why are you so desperate to claim a part of him? Because he was born in London?
I posted contradictory examples, but you chose not to reply.
It's funny, I never hear anyone talk about Kerry Hope being British.....well not since he lost his European title anyway.������

Claim a part of him? Do you have shares in him then? I am British. He is British. What is your problem with people being British? I have never heard him say he feels more Italian than British are you going to tell me that the Welsh and and Scots don't feel British next? The Anglo Saxons used to call where I live West Wales so I would like to claim one fifth of him if we are going Dutch.

Mate, no point me even replying. You never address any points in my post. You pick a word or a sentence , twist it and jump on it. My problem with you insisting on his "Britishness" is because it's what English people do to claim a tiny scrap of credit for him. Yet most English people couldn't give 2 fucks for the "non-winning" Scots or Welsh and most Scots and Welsh fucking can't stand the English, FACT.
1. Calzaghe feels Welsh first and foremost , Italian Second , FACT. He wears the Italian flag on his shorts, not the Union Jack, and I have heard him talk about the 2006 World Cup and supporting Italy etc. etc. Not England, even though he's "British"
2. You think the Welsh and Scots feel British? Next you'll be telling me the Welsh and Scots love the English!
Please don't tell me you've never heard Scots and Welsh people say " when we win we're British, but when we lose, we're Scottish or Welsh.
3. This whole "British" thing , what does it mean anyway? You don't see me fucking licking Iniesta's ass because he's a "Mediterannean cousin" .
The only time you use the British Card is when the English one has failed mate.
And don't try to tell me it ain't true, because I've seen it with my own eyes and ears.

[Ron Swanson]

Wasn't Calzaghe called the Italian Dragon or something like that?

Yes he was. He was also called "The Pride of Wales" .

Okay, that covers what Primo said. Did he have a British nickname?

[Beanz]

Wasn't Calzaghe called the Italian Dragon or something like that?

Yes he was. He was also called "The Pride of Wales" .

Okay, that covers what Primo said. Did he have a British nickname?

Wales is no less a part of Britain than England. It would be like saying Floyd is from Michigan but did he have an American nickname ?

[Beanz]

Calzaghe can dig deep and find a way to win due to him being versatile, extremely fast , extremely fit and also a cold hearted bastard when a fight is going against him. He absolutely hates to lose.

He's a mirror image of some of Wards characteristics, making for a great matchup.

Calzaghe nicks it on points

Ward isn't alien to making adjustments either. Like you said, BHOP gave Calzaghe problems, so a version 10-15 years younger might just beat him. Ward for me.

You are Italian that is sacrilegious!

I know mate, I went to watch Joe live a few times as well and I like him, but just trying to tell it as it is.
Having said that , Joe would've beaten every other British SMW there has been, hands down.
So how does it feel that Britain's Rea test ever SMW was in fact ITALIAN? ������������

Mate, I know you say this kind of thing all the time, and I THINK it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, but would you truly consider Calzaghe to be more of an Italian than a Welshman?
For most people he's a Brit/Welsh with Italian heritage.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've seen logic of yours in regards to other fighters that if applied to Calzaghe would preclude him being primarily 'Italian' .

Mate, you're right, it is a bit tongue in cheek, but I do disagree with you slightly. I see him more as Welsh/Italian , British doesn't come into it. He clearly feels that way as well.
He used to have the Welsh and Italian flags on his shorts , but I never saw a Union Jack.
This is the age old theme where if he's Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) and he's unsuccessful, then he's Welsh. But if he's Welsh and successful, then he's BRITISH.
Whereas if he's English and successful, he's English.
He's clearly Welsh and I'm not really trying to claim him for Italy, that's for him to do himself.
But I know for an absolute fact that he feels more Italian than he does English or even British.

Despite being born in England and Wales being in Britain.

Nice one @Beanz. How about a bit of light reading for you. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oly...rn-abroad.html
After you've read that, I wonder if you could let me know the nationality of the sportsmen listed below, going by your own rules of eligibility .
Mo Farah, Chris Froome, Bradley Wiggins, Justin Rose, Mike Catt, Mako Vunipola, Manu Tuilagi, Toby Faletau, John Barnes, Owen Hargreaves, Greg Rusedski and let's not even mention Cricketers.
Trust me , that list was concocted in about 5 minutes, I'm sure I could add many,many more.
Remember this was YOUR line of reasoning. Have a nice day.

By any criteria he is British. He was born in Britain, grew up in Britain, fought as Both an Amateur and Pro in Britain as a Brit with a British Passport. Even his dad moved from Italy to England when he was two so quite why you have such a problem with him being British is a bit beyond me. He has not even ever (to the best of my knowledge) represented Italy so you are just clutching at straws now.

Mate , I have no problem, I really don't. It seems you do though, as your posts are getting longer and more desperate, yet never addressing the FACTS that I put forward.
I conceded that he is clearly Welsh. All I said was that HE feels more Italian than British.
He wore a Welsh and Italian Flags on his shorts, but never a Union Jack.
Why are you so desperate to claim a part of him? Because he was born in London?
I posted contradictory examples, but you chose not to reply.
It's funny, I never hear anyone talk about Kerry Hope being British.....well not since he lost his European title anyway.������

Claim a part of him? Do you have shares in him then? I am British. He is British. What is your problem with people being British? I have never heard him say he feels more Italian than British are you going to tell me that the Welsh and and Scots don't feel British next? The Anglo Saxons used to call where I live West Wales so I would like to claim one fifth of him if we are going Dutch.

Mate, no point me even replying. You never address any points in my post. You pick a word or a sentence , twist it and jump on it. My problem with you insisting on his "Britishness" is because it's what English people do to claim a tiny scrap of credit for him. Yet most English people couldn't give 2 fucks for the "non-winning" Scots or Welsh and most Scots and Welsh fucking can't stand the English, FACT.
1. Calzaghe feels Welsh first and foremost , Italian Second , FACT. He wears the Italian flag on his shorts, not the Union Jack, and I have heard him talk about the 2006 World Cup and supporting Italy etc. etc. Not England, even though he's "British"
2. You think the Welsh and Scots feel British? Next you'll be telling me the Welsh and Scots love the English!
Please don't tell me you've never heard Scots and Welsh people say " when we win we're British, but when we lose, we're Scottish or Welsh.
3. This whole "British" thing , what does it mean anyway? You don't see me fucking licking Iniesta's ass because he's a "Mediterannean cousin" .
The only time you use the British Card is when the English one has failed mate.
And don't try to tell me it ain't true, because I've seen it with my own eyes and ears.

I am English so please don't tell me how I FEEL about the Scots and the Welsh. Incredibly lame and irrelevant argument for you to keep going on about. We get it YOU have a massive chip on your shoulder with the English because you just swallow massive generalizations about the English and propagate them to make yourself feel special and authentic. Woopy Doo. I Love the westcountry, Britain , Europe etc and am the grandson of immigrants so I am not hung up on just being English and have no problem with the taffs and jocks.

[Batman]

Calzaghe can dig deep and find a way to win due to him being versatile, extremely fast , extremely fit and also a cold hearted bastard when a fight is going against him. He absolutely hates to lose.

He's a mirror image of some of Wards characteristics, making for a great matchup.

Calzaghe nicks it on points

Ward isn't alien to making adjustments either. Like you said, BHOP gave Calzaghe problems, so a version 10-15 years younger might just beat him. Ward for me.

You are Italian that is sacrilegious!

I know mate, I went to watch Joe live a few times as well and I like him, but just trying to tell it as it is.
Having said that , Joe would've beaten every other British SMW there has been, hands down.
So how does it feel that Britain's Rea test ever SMW was in fact ITALIAN? ������������

Mate, I know you say this kind of thing all the time, and I THINK it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, but would you truly consider Calzaghe to be more of an Italian than a Welshman?
For most people he's a Brit/Welsh with Italian heritage.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've seen logic of yours in regards to other fighters that if applied to Calzaghe would preclude him being primarily 'Italian' .

Mate, you're right, it is a bit tongue in cheek, but I do disagree with you slightly. I see him more as Welsh/Italian , British doesn't come into it. He clearly feels that way as well.
He used to have the Welsh and Italian flags on his shorts , but I never saw a Union Jack.
This is the age old theme where if he's Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) and he's unsuccessful, then he's Welsh. But if he's Welsh and successful, then he's BRITISH.
Whereas if he's English and successful, he's English.
He's clearly Welsh and I'm not really trying to claim him for Italy, that's for him to do himself.
But I know for an absolute fact that he feels more Italian than he does English or even British.

Despite being born in England and Wales being in Britain.

Nice one @Beanz. How about a bit of light reading for you. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oly...rn-abroad.html
After you've read that, I wonder if you could let me know the nationality of the sportsmen listed below, going by your own rules of eligibility .
Mo Farah, Chris Froome, Bradley Wiggins, Justin Rose, Mike Catt, Mako Vunipola, Manu Tuilagi, Toby Faletau, John Barnes, Owen Hargreaves, Greg Rusedski and let's not even mention Cricketers.
Trust me , that list was concocted in about 5 minutes, I'm sure I could add many,many more.
Remember this was YOUR line of reasoning. Have a nice day.

By any criteria he is British. He was born in Britain, grew up in Britain, fought as Both an Amateur and Pro in Britain as a Brit with a British Passport. Even his dad moved from Italy to England when he was two so quite why you have such a problem with him being British is a bit beyond me. He has not even ever (to the best of my knowledge) represented Italy so you are just clutching at straws now.

Mate , I have no problem, I really don't. It seems you do though, as your posts are getting longer and more desperate, yet never addressing the FACTS that I put forward.
I conceded that he is clearly Welsh. All I said was that HE feels more Italian than British.
He wore a Welsh and Italian Flags on his shorts, but never a Union Jack.
Why are you so desperate to claim a part of him? Because he was born in London?
I posted contradictory examples, but you chose not to reply.
It's funny, I never hear anyone talk about Kerry Hope being British.....well not since he lost his European title anyway.������

Claim a part of him? Do you have shares in him then? I am British. He is British. What is your problem with people being British? I have never heard him say he feels more Italian than British are you going to tell me that the Welsh and and Scots don't feel British next? The Anglo Saxons used to call where I live West Wales so I would like to claim one fifth of him if we are going Dutch.

Mate, no point me even replying. You never address any points in my post. You pick a word or a sentence , twist it and jump on it. My problem with you insisting on his "Britishness" is because it's what English people do to claim a tiny scrap of credit for him. Yet most English people couldn't give 2 fucks for the "non-winning" Scots or Welsh and most Scots and Welsh fucking can't stand the English, FACT.
1. Calzaghe feels Welsh first and foremost , Italian Second , FACT. He wears the Italian flag on his shorts, not the Union Jack, and I have heard him talk about the 2006 World Cup and supporting Italy etc. etc. Not England, even though he's "British"
2. You think the Welsh and Scots feel British? Next you'll be telling me the Welsh and Scots love the English!
Please don't tell me you've never heard Scots and Welsh people say " when we win we're British, but when we lose, we're Scottish or Welsh.
3. This whole "British" thing , what does it mean anyway? You don't see me fucking licking Iniesta's ass because he's a "Mediterannean cousin" .
The only time you use the British Card is when the English one has failed mate.
And don't try to tell me it ain't true, because I've seen it with my own eyes and ears.

I actually agree with Primo on this one

Gareth Bale - an international star, world class footballer from Wales, I feel an affinity towards him because he is a close neighbour, I wish he was English but he isn't.

In boxing its a little different, take Frampton for example, he's Irish but I still love to see him do well because he is a neighbour, but you are supporting one man instead of a team of 11 people, on a day to day basis there isn't any difference between the Irish, Scots, Welsh and English but when it comes to competition each is fiercely independent and it's healthy.