Horn decision makes me rethink boxing

[holmcall]

For some inexplicable reason, it seems it?s relatively easy to cheat this ATG. That first round against JMM that was wrongly scored, the Bradley disgrace, and now this, Reminds of how Oscar, another ATG, was treated. Oscar complained. Many doesn't. Maybe that's why he gets treated this way. But when Oscar lost to Tito, I left boxing for a while.


This one gives me that same feeling of disgust about the entire business. Casamayor vs. Santa Cruz and Foreman vs Briggs also put me at the brink. It's almost like I am colluding in something that lacks a moral underbelly-- something that is innately tenuous at best and foul at worst. I think it's called a moral compass and mine just tiled to the wrong side again.

[Ron Swanson]

Perhaps you get so frustrated because you don't actually understand what you are speaking about. For example that first round wasn't wrongly scored. The judge misinterpreted his options. It didn't have to be 10-6. The judge just didn't know it could be because most judges won't go to 10-6. So it wasn't scored wrong. It just could have been scored differently.

Pac has benefitted from a couple bad decisions and been hurt by a couple. It evened out.

[Hulk]

Perhaps you get so frustrated because you don't actually understand what you are speaking about. For example that first round wasn't wrongly scored. The judge misinterpreted his options. It didn't have to be 10-6. The judge just didn't know it could be because most judges won't go to 10-6. So it wasn't scored wrong. It just could have been scored differently.Pac has benefitted from a couple bad decisions and been hurt by a couple. It evened out.

What gift decisions has Pacquaio benefited from?

[palmerq]

Perhaps you get so frustrated because you don't actually understand what you are speaking about. For example that first round wasn't wrongly scored. The judge misinterpreted his options. It didn't have to be 10-6. The judge just didn't know it could be because most judges won't go to 10-6. So it wasn't scored wrong. It just could have been scored differently.Pac has benefitted from a couple bad decisions and been hurt by a couple. It evened out.

What gift decisions has Pacquaio benefited from?

i guess the 3rd marquez fight, i remember that one being very controversial, I didnt see it.. who did you have winning that one ?

[Spicoli]

Not sure bad calls even out so much as just cancels out in the eyes of fan or detractors. A guy taking an iffy loss early in career is far far different than a guy coming back or rebuilding after one near the end of career. With Oscar-Tito it was a tail of two fights and has been knocked back and forth ever since. But Oscar put himself in that negative light at the tail end. Fans will instinctively hold a guy literally running and disengaging against them but still had that as extremely close I believe right down to one point. Briggs v Foreman and Casa vs Santa Cruz were outright robberies.

[powerpuncher]

Manny doesn't complain? He just isn't a loud complainer. He lets Roach do that for him. He also makes excuses for every loss.

Pac was fortunate to get that draw against JMM. JMM easily outboxed him just about every round. The third fight was a complete robbery. No way did Pac win that fight.

The Bradley fight was an awful decision. I'll give you that one. Last night wasn't an awful decision. It was plausible even if you thought Pac won. JMM beat Pac much more clearly in their third fight than Pac beat Horn last night.

[Hulk]

Perhaps you get so frustrated because you don't actually understand what you are speaking about. For example that first round wasn't wrongly scored. The judge misinterpreted his options. It didn't have to be 10-6. The judge just didn't know it could be because most judges won't go to 10-6. So it wasn't scored wrong. It just could have been scored differently.Pac has benefitted from a couple bad decisions and been hurt by a couple. It evened out.

What gift decisions has Pacquaio benefited from?

i guess the 3rd marquez fight, i remember that one being very controversial, I didnt see it.. who did you have winning that one ?

Honestly, id have to go back and watch it as the 2nd n 3rd fights blend together for me. They all do really aside from the 1st round of the 1st fight and the KO in the 4th fight that encouraged Mayweather to fight Manny.

[Ron Swanson]

Perhaps you get so frustrated because you don't actually understand what you are speaking about. For example that first round wasn't wrongly scored. The judge misinterpreted his options. It didn't have to be 10-6. The judge just didn't know it could be because most judges won't go to 10-6. So it wasn't scored wrong. It just could have been scored differently.Pac has benefitted from a couple bad decisions and been hurt by a couple. It evened out.

What gift decisions has Pacquaio benefited from?

i guess the 3rd marquez fight, i remember that one being very controversial, I didnt see it.. who did you have winning that one ?

Honestly, id have to go back and watch it as the 2nd n 3rd fights blend together for me. They all do really aside from the 1st round of the 1st fight and the KO in the 4th fight that encouraged Mayweather to fight Manny.

Pac won II, Marquez won III more clearly than Pac won II. 1 is debateable.

[powerpuncher]

I had JMM winning the second fight by a point but it was really close so the decision wasn't a problem. The third fight was clearly JMM. It wasn't close.

[Ron Swanson]

I had JMM winning the second fight by a point but it was really close so the decision wasn't a problem. The third fight was clearly JMM. It wasn't close.

I disagree about II, but that gets to the point, getting upset about close fights going the other way would have you pulling your hair out.

In the end this is all about PAC letting a B fighter keep it too close when his contract with Bob was short. He's been here before, he should know better.(although Bradley wasn't a B fighter)

[Dia bando]

For some inexplicable reason, it seems it?s relatively easy to cheat this ATG. That first round against JMM that was wrongly scored, the Bradley disgrace, and now this, Reminds of how Oscar, another ATG, was treated. Oscar complained. Many doesn't. Maybe that's why he gets treated this way. But when Oscar lost to Tito, I left boxing for a while.


This one gives me that same feeling of disgust about the entire business. Casamayor vs. Santa Cruz and Foreman vs Briggs also put me at the brink. It's almost like I am colluding in something that lacks a moral underbelly-- something that is innately tenuous at best and foul at worst. I think it's called a moral compass and mine just tiled to the wrong side again.

The thing is there are no morals in boxing! your a winner or a looser simple the amount of fights which the decision has been a farce are beyond
me there is a dark underbelly in boxing pity it ruins a great sport.

[Master]

Bad decisions happen in boxing and in a way it shows that if the A side fighter can lose a bad decision that everyone has a chance.

BTW JMM won all his fights against Manny Pac.

[walrus]

Bad decisions happen in boxing and in a way it shows that if the A side fighter can lose a bad decision that everyone has a chance.

BTW JMM won all his fights against Manny Pac.

Your last statement proves you are not worthy of mod status

[Master]

Bad decisions happen in boxing and in a way it shows that if the A side fighter can lose a bad decision that everyone has a chance.

BTW JMM won all his fights against Manny Pac.

Your last statement proves you are not worthy of mod status

I genuinely had JMM winning all the 3 fights that went to the judges.

Just to keep you happy @walrus, Manny Pac was ahead before he was brutally knocked out in their 4th fight.

[erics44]

I thought all the Pac JMM fights ended with the correct result