Wilder talks Joshua.

[Spicoli]

First and foremost I'm going out on a limb and say he's high as a kite right here . Can agree let's not talk mandatory's and with Wlad out some big bangers are circling each other, but Wilder sounds tired man . He needs to up his game and hire better pr reps. Sporting a blackened eye maybe as well

[TitoFan]

First thing that comes to mind is "careful what you wish for."

[Fenster]

Eddie answered him, not sure why he turned down $4 million to face Whyte, huge money to what he's been making and would make the Joshua fight a virtual cert considering the dough on offer (if that's what he really wants)

[TitoFan]

Good, sensible message. Horrible attempt at talking 'hood.

[Spicoli]

Eddie answered him, not sure why he turned down $4 million to face Whyte, huge money to what he's been making and would make the Joshua fight a virtual cert considering the dough on offer (if that's what he really wants)

Ah man that was painful . Really though Wilder almost has a feel of a guy letting 'it' all slip by while the division is in motion. Whyte fight makes sense as far as building towards A.J with Dillion making his U.S debut next month and having faced A.J prior. Assuming they wanted Wilder to travel across the pond to puff up profile and A.J match? Still though Wilder acts like a guy who took short cuts to the title, well easy route, and now demands equal footing based solely on holding a trinket. For a guy who's last two have been last minute replacements he needs to stop spinning his wheels and start building to a major event. Risk-reward go hand in hand.

[Ron Swanson]

Sorry but business wise what Eddie said doesn't make sense. And if it doesn't make business sense then you have to consider alterior motives.

Let's use some logic.

What is the biggest fight in the heavyweight division right now?

Simple answer AJ vs Wilder. I don't think anyone would dispute that.

So Wilder says let's fight and the reply is okay but after these 2 other fights.

Let's then consider if those 2 other fights must be done first as stated.

No, they don't actually need to be done. If he fights and beats Pulev he has the same number of belts as if he fights and beats Wilder, stripped of one, gains one, the same. So they are arguing to be in the same spot but with less money after the fight.

So it must be about more future earnings right? Well, if Wilder loses which is just as likely as Wilder building his profile while they put it off obviously that is a huge loss in the back end. Potential gain if Wilder builds his profile. But not much because Wilder is already the fight most coveted. But, if he fights and beats Wilder then AJ is a bigger star with more immediate money AND Pulev can pick up that belt. Now 1 unification fight has become 2. Now Pulev is more valuable. So more money on front end and back end.

Eddies story doesn't wash. As most why we shouldn't fight stories tend to go.

[Kirkland Laing]

He wants a massive payday and he doesn't want any risky fights in between then and now.

[Ron Swanson]

He wants a massive payday and he doesn't want any risky fights in between then and now.

I think you are spot on. But need to consider why. And I think both sides know why. Because Wilder breaks his hand in every fight. There's a decent chance if the fight doesn't happen now it never happens.

[Kirkland Laing]

He wants a massive payday and he doesn't want any risky fights in between then and now.

I think you are spot on. But need to consider why. And I think both sides know why. Because Wilder breaks his hand in every fight. There's a decent chance if the fight doesn't happen now it never happens.

And there's a non-negligible chance that at the level he's at now he could easily get sparked. He doesn't exactly havesolid fundamentals, lots of holes in his swing and a shaky chin mean he's always just one punch away from having his bubble burst. Wasn't he due about twenty million to fight Povetkin before Povetkin tested positive? Whatever the number was that's the one in his head dictating his decisions. He wants a risk free path to a similar payday which means getting Joshua in the ring asap. That's why he doesn't want to hear about mandatories.

Similarly if Joshua is at risk from any of the top contenders you've got to think Wilder's right hand is top of the list of risks. Wilder has the athleticism and the wingspan to land something big and Whyte showed Joshua's chin isn't rock solid either. So Team Joshua might well want to fight a bunch of mandatories and keep Wilder at arm's length for a while. I actually watched the Wilder video and started to watch the Eddie video but had to switch it off when he put sunglasses on and started doing a Wilder impression. There's only so much a man can take.

Bottom line is the Joshua money express can continue without worrying about Wilder too much. It's not like Wilder is a massive US star and could generate a million PPV views and a big casino cheque. Wilder needs to make himself unavoidable but doesn't fancy what t would take to get there and definitely his fragile hand factors into that.

[Spicoli]

He wants a massive payday and he doesn't want any risky fights in between then and now.

I think you are spot on. But need to consider why. And I think both sides know why. Because Wilder breaks his hand in every fight. There's a decent chance if the fight doesn't happen now it never happens.

And there's a non-negligible chance that at the level he's at now he could easily get sparked. He doesn't exactly havesolid fundamentals, lots of holes in his swing and a shaky chin mean he's always just one punch away from having his bubble burst. Wasn't he due about twenty million to fight Povetkin before Povetkin tested positive? Whatever the number was that's the one in his head dictating his decisions. He wants a risk free path to a similar payday which means getting Joshua in the ring asap. That's why he doesn't want to hear about mandatories.

Similarly if Joshua is at risk from any of the top contenders you've got to think Wilder's right hand is top of the list of risks. Wilder has the athleticism and the wingspan to land something big and Whyte showed Joshua's chin isn't rock solid either. So Team Joshua might well want to fight a bunch of mandatories and keep Wilder at arm's length for a while. I actually watched the Wilder video and started to watch the Eddie video but had to switch it off when he put sunglasses on and started doing a Wilder impression. There's only so much a man can take.

Bottom line is the Joshua money express can continue without worrying about Wilder too much. It's not like Wilder is a massive US star and could generate a million PPV views and a big casino cheque. Wilder needs to make himself unavoidable but doesn't fancy what t would take to get there and definitely his fragile hand factors into that.

Well put and it's also AJ frankly holds the cards now and is talking back to back huge fights Ortiz etc. Wilder is stuck and acts like he's stuck in that vid.

[Kirkland Laing]

He wants a massive payday and he doesn't want any risky fights in between then and now.

I think you are spot on. But need to consider why. And I think both sides know why. Because Wilder breaks his hand in every fight. There's a decent chance if the fight doesn't happen now it never happens.

And there's a non-negligible chance that at the level he's at now he could easily get sparked. He doesn't exactly havesolid fundamentals, lots of holes in his swing and a shaky chin mean he's always just one punch away from having his bubble burst. Wasn't he due about twenty million to fight Povetkin before Povetkin tested positive? Whatever the number was that's the one in his head dictating his decisions. He wants a risk free path to a similar payday which means getting Joshua in the ring asap. That's why he doesn't want to hear about mandatories.

Similarly if Joshua is at risk from any of the top contenders you've got to think Wilder's right hand is top of the list of risks. Wilder has the athleticism and the wingspan to land something big and Whyte showed Joshua's chin isn't rock solid either. So Team Joshua might well want to fight a bunch of mandatories and keep Wilder at arm's length for a while. I actually watched the Wilder video and started to watch the Eddie video but had to switch it off when he put sunglasses on and started doing a Wilder impression. There's only so much a man can take.

Bottom line is the Joshua money express can continue without worrying about Wilder too much. It's not like Wilder is a massive US star and could generate a million PPV views and a big casino cheque. Wilder needs to make himself unavoidable but doesn't fancy what t would take to get there and definitely his fragile hand factors into that.

Well put and it's also AJ frankly holds the cards now and is talking back to back huge fights Ortiz etc. Wilder is stuck and acts like he's stuck in that vid.

It's a shame. It's probably the best fight to make out of all potential heavyweight fights but like you say Joshua holds the cards and Wilder is too much risk for too little reward.

[Ron Swanson]

Once again my stance is, their reasoning is sound if they would just be honest and say it it would be fine. The idea putting Wilder off is necessary just isn't true. This is make a lot of safe money, maybe not as much, but with more guarantee.

[Fenster]

You can't just throw your belts in the bin then expect the sanctioning bodies to let you fight for them again straight away afterwards.

It's ridiculous to suggest AJ/Eddie's belt situation "excuse" doesn't wash because Wilder has a belt. So he knocks out Wilder then has the same fans saying - AJ needs to fight so and so for the ibf/wba title that he threw away. Ridiculous.

Wilder needs to get his own route sorted instead of "ducking" guys like Dillian Whyte when huge career high paydays are offered to him.

[Hulk]

First thing that comes to mind is "careful what you wish for."

I like Wilder and his explosive power is the real deal. It's just that he's rather frail for his height and does not have a ton of boxing ability. Cheered him on as he bravely and cleverly outboxed Stiverne. However, when I saw Joshua for the first time against Martin, I knew he was the total package. I suspect Joshua hits nearly as hard as Wilder as well, but with world class boxing skills to go with the power.

[Master]

First thing that comes to mind is "careful what you wish for."

I like Wilder and his explosive power is the real deal. It's just that he's rather frail for his height and does not have a ton of boxing ability. Cheered him on as he bravely and cleverly outboxed Stiverne. However, when I saw Joshua for the first time against Martin, I knew he was the total package. I suspect Joshua hits nearly as hard as Wilder as well, but with world class boxing skills to go with the power.

True.

Wilder wants a big huge pay day against AJ, after seeing what was earned in the Wlad v AJ fight.