Nathan Cleverly-Badou Jack - Excellent fight! (Floyd undercard).

[Ron Swanson]

Good call getting the excuses in early. It ignores history, that Jack is more likely to get a win taken from him than gifted to him. If history matters.

I always enjoy a fighter like Jack that is constantly underrated, they make that cheddar for the betters.

What's the line on this fight in the U.K.? Does it match Vegas?

Personally , I don't think this fight gains much interest from the mainstream over here. Boxing fans obviously like the fight, but it doesn't make massive waves. Jack isn't a massive name over here, despite beating Groves and (maybe) Degale. And Cleverley has for whatever reason, never Had a massive following. Personally I like the guy.
It's funny , but if a Brit beat Groves, smashed DeGale teeth out , beat Dirrell and at least drew with AA, He would be seen as the P4P #1 .

I see Jack as yet another fighter I got wrong. There is not a lot of sizzle with him so he's easy to dismiss as not special. I'm not comparing the 2 but there wasn't a lot of sizzle to Hopkins either. Just, the more I watch Jack the more I see in him. Some guys right away jump out, other guys slowly earn respect. You never know how a guy will adjust to a new weight but I assume Jack will be right with the top guys.

[Spicoli]

Easily the most competitive fight on paper under that circus tent of a card. I thought Jack was headed for the bin of also rans when he was pulverized by Edwards. He just came off as bland and a bit uninspired but now knows he belongs. He should have had the nod over DeGale and showed improved poise and pop that he can surely carry up. Approach wise this feels like a quality over quantity match right now with Cleverly looking to outhustle and it's not entirely out of the question, Jack isn't exactly a raging fire still but his punches sap a guy and Cleverly will be forced to stand in as it goes to keep pace. Can see Jack stronger down stretch and Cleverly gutting it out late but just for a Jack unanimous W.

[Fenster]

Good call getting the excuses in early. It ignores history, that Jack is more likely to get a win taken from him than gifted to him. If history matters.

Excuses?

The very fact Jack is the home fighter on his promotion is a benefit. Fact. I would have made the exact same point had Cleverly been at home.

Ignoring history?

I made a case for the probability of a fight producing closer scorecards than most will think. Reason? The favourite (Jack 4/11) has a "history" of disputed decisions and debatable scorecards. Whether or not you believe he was "robbed" or not is utterly irrelevant, my point is about official scorecards not opinion. Nothing has been ignored.

[Ron Swanson]

Good call getting the excuses in early. It ignores history, that Jack is more likely to get a win taken from him than gifted to him. If history matters.

Excuses?

The very fact Jack is the home fighter on his promotion is a benefit. Fact. I would have made the exact same point had Cleverly been at home.

Ignoring history?

I made a case for the probability of a fight producing closer scorecards than most will think. Reason? The favourite (Jack 4/11) has a "history" of disputed decisions and debatable scorecards. Whether or not you believe he was "robbed" or not is utterly irrelevant, my point is about official scorecards not opinion. Nothing has been ignored.

And I didn't debate that he has a history of close fights. His history is that he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from the judges. But go ahead and plant that seed of if Cleverly can get a fair shake. How many wins has Cleverly had taken from him?

[Fenster]

Good call getting the excuses in early. It ignores history, that Jack is more likely to get a win taken from him than gifted to him. If history matters.

Excuses?

The very fact Jack is the home fighter on his promotion is a benefit. Fact. I would have made the exact same point had Cleverly been at home.

Ignoring history?

I made a case for the probability of a fight producing closer scorecards than most will think. Reason? The favourite (Jack 4/11) has a "history" of disputed decisions and debatable scorecards. Whether or not you believe he was "robbed" or not is utterly irrelevant, my point is about official scorecards not opinion. Nothing has been ignored.

And I didn't debate that he has a history of close fights. His history is that he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from the judges. But go ahead and plant that seed of if Cleverly can get a fair shake. How many wins has Cleverly had taken from him?

Jesus! You are seriously paranoid mate. I couldn't care less about Cleverly.

In a close fight with two contrasting styles the winner will virtually always be determined by the style we prefer, it's our natural bias, which is no different for "neutral" judges either.

Therefore, "fair shake" means the scoring goes Cleverly's way. I was making a case for his slack defense-high volume style. It will depend on the preference of the judges whether or not they favour that style over Jack's more slicker-economical-precise shooting. That's all I meant.

No conspiracy. No corruption. No excuses.

[Alpha]

He should have had the nod over DeGale and showed improved poise. Approach wise this feels like a quality over quantity match right now with Cleverly looking to outhustle and it's not entirely out of the question, Jack isn't exactly a raging fire still but his punches sap a guy and Cleverly will be forced to stand in as it goes to keep pace. Can see Jack stronger down stretch and Cleverly gutting it out late but just for a Jack unanimous W.

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[Master]

Nathan Cleverly says his bout with Badou Jack "could be the real fight of the night" on the undercard of Floyd Mayweather's "freak event" fight with Conor McGregor.

Welshman Cleverly will be defending his WBA world light heavyweight title against the Swede.

And he says McGregor has no chance of winning on 26 August in Las Vegas.

"In chief support you've got the 'real' fight, between myself and Jack, two world class operators," he said.

"This could be the real fight of the night and I'm looking to capitalise."

Cleverly believes the crossover fight between undefeated boxer Mayweather, 40, and UFC lightweight champion McGregor, 29, who has never boxed professionally, is a complete mismatch.

"I don't believe there is anyway McGregor can win, Mayweather is too good in his art and craft to allow McGregor to capitalise," Cleverly said.

"But fair play, they've made it a one-off, freak event."

Cleverly, who fought on the undercard of Joe Calzaghe's 2008 showdown with Bernard Hopkins in Vegas, says the magnitude of this fight eclipses any he has previously been involved with.

"It is one of these once in a blue moon fantasy fights that come along once in a generation," he said.

"My fight could be the real fight of the night and I'm looking to capitalise on that.

"The occasion is massive, the magnitude and the scale of the event, we are privileged to be on this event, it is a great opportunity. I am aware of the global scale of it, of the viewership.

"The fight has captured everyone's imagination and I think even though it is not a true boxing fight, for me, selfishly, I am glad of the opportunity it gives me, it is great exposure for everyone involved."

Explaining that he does not believe McGregor has a chance, Cleverly added that the Irish boxer "does not deserve," the opportunity he has, but credits him for taking his chance.

"An MMA specialist coming over, boxing is not his main field, so I believe an upset is not on the cards," he said.

"It is a fight, anything can happen, but realistically? Mayweather is too good.

"Does he deserve this opportunity in boxing? No.

"But can you blame him for making it happen and combining with Mayweather to make it happen? No you cannot and fair play to him for the work put in, inside and outside the gym to capture the public's imagination."

Cleverly says the exposure of facing Jack, a Swedish boxer based in Vegas, gives him a chance to enter boxing's 'elite' level as he targets a potential future fight with Andre Ward.

"I've been very patient and I am the current world champion, that puts me in a strong position and I knew sooner or later this fight would be made," he said.

"On an exposure level, in the hierarchy of boxing this fight is exceptionally important. In terms of breaking into that elite level, this is the most important fight of my career."

Cleverly said he feels he has a significant advantage over his opponent, a former super middleweight world champion who beat George Groves and drew last time out with James DeGale as he prepares to face a British boxer for a third time.

"I am a seasoned campaigner at light heavyweight, but this is Jack's first fight at the weight and he will realise in the ring, half a stone is a jump up, it makes a difference," added Cleverly.

"I see it going the distance, potentially, neither of us are KO artists, we both punch hard, maybe a stoppage victory is more possible.

"But the win is the crucial aspect here."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/wales/40953147

[Batman]

See Primo I told you he always puts the link underneath the article

[erics44]

He should have had the nod over DeGale and showed improved poise. Approach wise this feels like a quality over quantity match right now with Cleverly looking to outhustle and it's not entirely out of the question, Jack isn't exactly a raging fire still but his punches sap a guy and Cleverly will be forced to stand in as it goes to keep pace. Can see Jack stronger down stretch and Cleverly gutting it out late but just for a Jack unanimous W.

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I watched degale jack and if any fighter deserved to win it was jack, degale was fucked by the end

but degale won 6 rounds

if the fight was 13 rounds there is no doubt jack would have won, he might have even KOed degale

[Master]

He should have had the nod over DeGale and showed improved poise. Approach wise this feels like a quality over quantity match right now with Cleverly looking to outhustle and it's not entirely out of the question, Jack isn't exactly a raging fire still but his punches sap a guy and Cleverly will be forced to stand in as it goes to keep pace. Can see Jack stronger down stretch and Cleverly gutting it out late but just for a Jack unanimous W.

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I watched degale jack and if any fighter deserved to win it was jack, degale was fucked by the end

but degale won 6 rounds

if the fight was 13 rounds there is no doubt jack would have won, he might have even KOed degale

De Gale started strong and had the early knock down but yet Jack came back strong at the end. Although I have not watched the Jack's fight with Groves that seemed to have the opposite story. Either way Badou Jack is a world class fighter.

[erics44]

I think clev beats jack BTW

id be surprised if he doesn't out work him every round, and jack doesn't have enough to win by KO

[Master]

I think clev beats jack BTW

id be surprised if he doesn't out work him every round, and jack doesn't have enough to win by KO

Cleverly has become a high work rate come forward fighter when he is better at boxing and suing his skills to win his fights. Nathan walked into some bombs in his last few fights.

[Primo Carnera]

See Primo I told you he always puts the link underneath the article

Yep, you're right mate, all about attention to detail. Anyway he's royally pissed off that Frampton and "Barry the spiv" might be parting ways.

[Master]

See Primo I told you he always puts the link underneath the article

Yep, you're right mate, all about attention to detail. Anyway he's royally pissed off that Frampton and "Barry the spiv" might be parting ways.

Barry is not a spiv. He is an honourable man who has brought boxing to mainstream TV.

[Master]

How poor was Cleverly and good Badu Jack?

Nathan was very limited and was one dimension whereas Jack looked sharp and effective standing up to Cleverly dominating every round and stopping the champ with surprising ease.