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    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    The term climate change encompasses global warming. Global warming is one of the symptoms of climate change. We have always had climate change ( Ice ages etc) but generally when people refer to global warming they are talking about the impact of man in the heating of the earths surface temperature. Remember it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. It really is not that hard to grasp.
    yes the climate does change

    the claim is earth's (the whole thing) temperature is increasing & the planet (the whole thing) is warming. increasing temperature & warming don't equal snow

    i'm happy to entertain bullshit but i don't have to accept it. if it's really not that hard to grasp can you show me the process you used or somewhere i can go to test, so i can verify for myself, to create snow by increasing the temperature & warming the area. i'll wait


    Increasing temperature and warming actually are the perfect recipe for snow. Too cold and you don't get snow. Global warming equals an atmosphere that holds more water vapor, deeper low pressures and more full on winds and storms which in the winter leads to snowstorms. The jet stream ends up bringing aortic winds south along with hurricanes, floods etc. The arctic is warming at a faster rate than the rest of the planet weakening the polar vortex which distorts in such a way that you get sudden bursts of extreme weather like the recent snow.

    This is the problem with you being so terrified and arrogant that you can't accept the idea of anyone else having expertise in subjects you don't. I am no meteorologist but there are enough of them and enough other scientific experts around that their own self regulation and embracing of scientific principles means I don't have to entertain the childish idea of having to verify every fact for myself or carry out experiments when I do not even have a tenth of their knowledge.

    You probably have very little direct experience of snow but in Europe, as moderate as it is, we all know that in the Alps or the Scottish Highlands etc, it can often be too cold to snow, but just a few degrees rise in temperature the next day will mean heavy snowfall. So we know increase warming and a rise in temperature actually does equal snow.

    Just because you live in a bubble, that does not mean we have discount our real world verifiable experience in order to protect your daft superstitious beliefs.
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    you're the only one with a belief larry. that's a great explanation. unfortunately it doesn't match reality. global warming has been mentioned as far back as the mid seventies. the claim of global warming is that the average temperature is increasing & the planet is warming up. this is why you only have an explanation & can't show a process where you can create snow when the temperature is increasing & warming. that is daft. weather extremes are nothing new, the frequency & cause of these extremes are up for discussion. unfortunately for you, you are not able to prove your belief
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    spock was pushing this bullshit in the seventies
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    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    i agree the ying and yang of extreme changes is happening. the causes of these changes is up for discussion. these highs & lows & changes have been around as long as we've cared to take note
    Highs and lows sure. The new record highs in temps, the actual reality regardless of cause, well not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    i agree the ying and yang of extreme changes is happening. the causes of these changes is up for discussion. these highs & lows & changes have been around as long as we've cared to take note
    Highs and lows sure. The new record highs in temps, the actual reality regardless of cause, well not so much.
    new record highs? not sure if you caught my earlier post where i linked the official australian year book where it states a hotter temperature in eighteen eighty nine. if you google what is the hottest day in australia it will still give you the nineteen sixty information, try it. luckily many of us still hold physical media from the past. there is a reason everything is being made digital, because it's easy to edit & records can be changed at will, with physical media that's not the case. they also change many definitions. years ago you wouldn't hear about a heatwave unless it was like more than three days in a row, now they scream it for a hot day
    Last edited by TIC; 02-01-2025 at 10:06 PM.
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    Hey guys, leave TIC alone.

    He equates one data point with a whole trend. Rock on, dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Hey guys, leave TIC alone.

    He equates one data point with a whole trend. Rock on, dude.
    as usual you are missing the point. spicoli mentioned new record highs. that year book was officially authorized by the government. did you google what the hottest day in australia was? so the question is were the government lying back then or is someone lying now? did you see the spock thing? were the "climate experts" lying then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Hey guys, leave TIC alone.

    He equates one data point with a whole trend. Rock on, dude.
    as usual you are missing the point. spicoli mentioned new record highs. that year book was officially authorized by the government. did you google what the hottest day in australia was? so the question is were the government lying back then or is someone lying now? did you see the spock thing? were the "climate experts" lying then?


    Whose point? Your point? That's not unusual. I'm sure I miss your point lots of times.

    Lying... lying... lying. What is your fixation with lying?

    The point IS... that more than sufficient data exists that global temperatures are slowly trending up. In any data field there are going to be outliers. Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of statistics is going to realize that. The fact that snow fell in Florida does not automatically disprove the notion of global warming. I would get into a serious discussion with you about data... but I doubt you will honestly make an effort to understand it.

    Global warming data isn't meant for "the sky is falling" reactions. It's just data. Plain and simple. Why on earth would anyone lie about global temperature data? What does anyone have to gain by it? Global warming is global warming... and climate change is climate change. Unless you're a university taught climatologist, I don't think any of us here are certified experts on climate. We can speculate. We can theorize. But none of us here are experts. We have to go by what the available data says. Of course, unless we're naturally skeptical about EVERYTHING... and can't bring ourselves to accept data at face value. Problem with that approach is, you have to counter it with something. Saying: "I don't believe it. Nyah-nyah-nah-nah-nah" just isn't going to cut it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    ... and I already thought you were quite the moron.
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    I would get into a serious discussion with you
    you can't have a serious discission with someone who throws out personal attacks & makes up their own facts. data is not reality. i just showed you two different sets of data, one set was good enough to be officially used by the government until nineteen sixty & instead of keeping the old official data it is now being scrub & replaced with more recent data, spock was touted climate experts "believing" the next ice age was on it's way. who were these climate experts & what data was he referencing at that time?

    let's check back in ten years & see how global warming is going
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    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    ... and I already thought you were quite the moron.
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    I would get into a serious discussion with you
    you can't have a serious discission with someone who throws out personal attacks & makes up their own facts. data is not reality. i just showed you two different sets of data, one set was good enough to be officially used by the government until nineteen sixty & instead of keeping the old official data it is now being scrub & replaced with more recent data, spock was touted climate experts "believing" the next ice age was on it's way. who were these climate experts & what data was he referencing at that time?

    let's check back in ten years & see how global warming is going



    If you don't believe in data now... what good would it do to check data ten years from now?

    Unless of course you're planning to put your "verify it for yourself" mantra, and go around the world placing your own temperature probes across the planet.

    Let us know how that works out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    ... and I already thought you were quite the moron.
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    I would get into a serious discussion with you
    you can't have a serious discission with someone who throws out personal attacks & makes up their own facts. data is not reality. i just showed you two different sets of data, one set was good enough to be officially used by the government until nineteen sixty & instead of keeping the old official data it is now being scrub & replaced with more recent data, spock was touted climate experts "believing" the next ice age was on it's way. who were these climate experts & what data was he referencing at that time?

    let's check back in ten years & see how global warming is going



    If you don't believe in data now... what good would it do to check data ten years from now?

    Unless of course you're planning to put your "verify it for yourself" mantra, and go around the world placing your own temperature probes across the planet.

    Let us know how that works out.
    i didn't say to check data, let's check back in ten years to see what the narrative is on global warming
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    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    ... and I already thought you were quite the moron.
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    I would get into a serious discussion with you
    you can't have a serious discission with someone who throws out personal attacks & makes up their own facts. data is not reality. i just showed you two different sets of data, one set was good enough to be officially used by the government until nineteen sixty & instead of keeping the old official data it is now being scrub & replaced with more recent data, spock was touted climate experts "believing" the next ice age was on it's way. who were these climate experts & what data was he referencing at that time?

    let's check back in ten years & see how global warming is going



    If you don't believe in data now... what good would it do to check data ten years from now?

    Unless of course you're planning to put your "verify it for yourself" mantra, and go around the world placing your own temperature probes across the planet.

    Let us know how that works out.
    i didn't say to check data, let's check back in ten years to see what the narrative is on global warming

    The narrative?

    Well... I suppose that would depend on what the data says, now wouldn't it.
    Try to keep up, sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    ... and I already thought you were quite the moron.
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    I would get into a serious discussion with you
    you can't have a serious discission with someone who throws out personal attacks & makes up their own facts. data is not reality. i just showed you two different sets of data, one set was good enough to be officially used by the government until nineteen sixty & instead of keeping the old official data it is now being scrub & replaced with more recent data, spock was touted climate experts "believing" the next ice age was on it's way. who were these climate experts & what data was he referencing at that time?

    let's check back in ten years & see how global warming is going



    If you don't believe in data now... what good would it do to check data ten years from now?

    Unless of course you're planning to put your "verify it for yourself" mantra, and go around the world placing your own temperature probes across the planet.

    Let us know how that works out.
    i didn't say to check data, let's check back in ten years to see what the narrative is on global warming

    The narrative?

    Well... I suppose that would depend on what the data says, now wouldn't it.
    Try to keep up, sport.
    i've already shown you two sets of data differing. the narrative is the story being told. i predict in ten years the story being told is that global warming is no longer an issue. care to make a prediction?
    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    ... and I already thought you were quite the moron.
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    I would get into a serious discussion with you
    you can't have a serious discission with someone who throws out personal attacks & makes up their own facts. data is not reality. i just showed you two different sets of data, one set was good enough to be officially used by the government until nineteen sixty & instead of keeping the old official data it is now being scrub & replaced with more recent data, spock was touted climate experts "believing" the next ice age was on it's way. who were these climate experts & what data was he referencing at that time?

    let's check back in ten years & see how global warming is going



    If you don't believe in data now... what good would it do to check data ten years from now?

    Unless of course you're planning to put your "verify it for yourself" mantra, and go around the world placing your own temperature probes across the planet.

    Let us know how that works out.
    i didn't say to check data, let's check back in ten years to see what the narrative is on global warming

    The narrative?

    Well... I suppose that would depend on what the data says, now wouldn't it.
    Try to keep up, sport.
    i've already shown you two sets of data differing. the narrative is the story being told. i predict in ten years the story being told is that global warming is no longer an issue. care to make a prediction?


    Global warming may not be an issue. Depends on what the data says.

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