Slugger vs. Swarmer.

[VG_Addict]

We know that a slugger beats a swarmer, because the swarmer only moves forward, which works in the slugger's favor since he doesn't have to chase him to land his big punches.

So, what were some fights between a slugger and a swarmer? I already know about Foreman-Frazier and Liston-Patterson. Would Gonzalez-Mares be one?

[Master]

Oddly enough I would call Andre Ward a swarmer but not in the sense you would.

Traditional swarmers tend to win on come forward with high punch rate and not always power punchers.

Joe Calzaghe v Lacy would be a good example.

[Alpha]

Maybe Tyson/ Ruddock fights?
Benn/ McClellan?

[GaMo]

Mosley is a slugger and Margarito was a swarmer. Mayorga was a swarmer and Trinidad was a slugger.

[Spicoli]

When I think of swarmers its frenetic energy, sometimes slappy but always in motion and frontal. They keep so many windows open in defense they can lose track. Sluggers wait calculate and drop the hammer. Also I could watch that 1st kd of Jones 101 times. Just an absolute rifle shot!

[Spicoli]

Maybe a Byrd vs Tua/Ibeabuchi. Canizales vs Sergio Reyes?

[greynotsoold]

We know that a slugger beats a swarmer, because the swarmer only moves forward, which works in the slugger's favor since he doesn't have to chase him to land his big punches.

So, what were some fights between a slugger and a swarmer? I already know about Foreman-Frazier and Liston-Patterson. Would Gonzalez-Mares be one?

The first paragraph....who makes up this stuff?

[mikeeod]

Some of the examples provided (Byrd, Floyd Patterson...etc.), don't really fit the swarmer style in my mind. I views swarmers as high volume guys who overwhelm their opponents. With that in mind, I would classify Joe C, Prime Manny, Margarito, Paul Williams, Aaron Pryor, Wayne McCollough, and Henry Armstrong as examples of high volume fighters who overwhelmed their opponents.

If the high volume guy has a good chin, I feel that they have the advantage and usually prevail vs the puncher, as the puncher usually becomes exhausted and discouraged. That being said, the swarmer tends to suffer spectacular knockouts once their chin finally does fail them (Margo vs Mosely, Williams vs Sergio Martinez, Hatton vs Manny) because they often walk into big shots.

As for Kostya Tszyu, I classify him as a multidimensional fighter who preferred fighting from the middle distance and had great punching power. He got cocky vs Vince Phillips and old vs Hatton, but on his best nights he would've been a threat to anyone. I would've loved to see him fight Floyd at 140, and while I think Floyd would've pulled it out, I think it would've been very close, and very tough.

[Spicoli]

Some of the examples provided (Byrd, Floyd Patterson...etc.), don't really fit the swarmer style in my mind. I views swarmers as high volume guys who overwhelm their opponents. With that in mind, I would classify Joe C, Prime Manny, Margarito, Paul Williams, Aaron Pryor, Wayne McCollough, and Henry Armstrong as examples of high volume fighters who overwhelmed their opponents.

If the high volume guy has a good chin, I feel that they have the advantage and usually prevail vs the puncher, as the puncher usually becomes exhausted and discouraged. That being said, the swarmer tends to suffer spectacular knockouts once their chin finally does fail them (Margo vs Mosely, Williams vs Sergio Martinez, Hatton vs Manny) because they often walk into big shots.

As for Kostya Tszyu, I classify him as a multidimensional fighter who preferred fighting from the middle distance and had great punching power. He got cocky vs Vince Phillips and old vs Hatton, but on his best nights he would've been a threat to anyone. I would've loved to see him fight Floyd at 140, and while I think Floyd would've pulled it out, I think it would've been very close, and very tough.

Pocket Rocket is a great call and good all around description, tremendous volume with limited pop and more than willing up front. I liked Byrd with swarmer in spots it felt he always tried to over compensate as career went and play that out, get inside and play macho which came crashing back on him more than it saw him win huge. It worked early always smaller vs decent punchers and he more often than not went for the finish. Definitely far sharper than just a swarmer though and good boxing mind with very sound defense. Toney vs Tiberi just pops into mind, lethargic Toney outhustled non stop start to finish mainly. A guy like ultimate swarmer Zack Padilla was cut short.

[mikeeod]

Some of the examples provided (Byrd, Floyd Patterson...etc.), don't really fit the swarmer style in my mind. I views swarmers as high volume guys who overwhelm their opponents. With that in mind, I would classify Joe C, Prime Manny, Margarito, Paul Williams, Aaron Pryor, Wayne McCollough, and Henry Armstrong as examples of high volume fighters who overwhelmed their opponents.

If the high volume guy has a good chin, I feel that they have the advantage and usually prevail vs the puncher, as the puncher usually becomes exhausted and discouraged. That being said, the swarmer tends to suffer spectacular knockouts once their chin finally does fail them (Margo vs Mosely, Williams vs Sergio Martinez, Hatton vs Manny) because they often walk into big shots.

As for Kostya Tszyu, I classify him as a multidimensional fighter who preferred fighting from the middle distance and had great punching power. He got cocky vs Vince Phillips and old vs Hatton, but on his best nights he would've been a threat to anyone. I would've loved to see him fight Floyd at 140, and while I think Floyd would've pulled it out, I think it would've been very close, and very tough.

Pocket Rocket is a great call and good all around description, tremendous volume with limited pop and more than willing up front. I liked Byrd with swarmer in spots it felt he always tried to over compensate as career went and play that out, get inside and play macho which came crashing back on him more than it saw him win huge. It worked early always smaller vs decent punchers and he more often than not went for the finish. Definitely far sharper than just a swarmer though and good boxing mind with very sound defense. Toney vs Tiberi just pops into mind, lethargic Toney outhustled non stop start to finish mainly. A guy like ultimate swarmer Zack Padilla was cut short.

Padilla is a great call (Tiberi also, but more on him in a minute). If I'm not mistaken, Zack and Ray Olivera still hold the punch stat record for most punches thrown. Don't know how he slipped my mind!

I agree that Tiberi hustled to a win, as did Montell and Drake Thadzi. James was slick and a great counter puncher, but he was very vulnerable to lose to busy guys. It's why I would favor a prime BHop over a prime Toney.

Would you consider prime Duran and JCC volume punchers?

[Spicoli]

Some of the examples provided (Byrd, Floyd Patterson...etc.), don't really fit the swarmer style in my mind. I views swarmers as high volume guys who overwhelm their opponents. With that in mind, I would classify Joe C, Prime Manny, Margarito, Paul Williams, Aaron Pryor, Wayne McCollough, and Henry Armstrong as examples of high volume fighters who overwhelmed their opponents.

If the high volume guy has a good chin, I feel that they have the advantage and usually prevail vs the puncher, as the puncher usually becomes exhausted and discouraged. That being said, the swarmer tends to suffer spectacular knockouts once their chin finally does fail them (Margo vs Mosely, Williams vs Sergio Martinez, Hatton vs Manny) because they often walk into big shots.

As for Kostya Tszyu, I classify him as a multidimensional fighter who preferred fighting from the middle distance and had great punching power. He got cocky vs Vince Phillips and old vs Hatton, but on his best nights he would've been a threat to anyone. I would've loved to see him fight Floyd at 140, and while I think Floyd would've pulled it out, I think it would've been very close, and very tough.

Pocket Rocket is a great call and good all around description, tremendous volume with limited pop and more than willing up front. I liked Byrd with swarmer in spots it felt he always tried to over compensate as career went and play that out, get inside and play macho which came crashing back on him more than it saw him win huge. It worked early always smaller vs decent punchers and he more often than not went for the finish. Definitely far sharper than just a swarmer though and good boxing mind with very sound defense. Toney vs Tiberi just pops into mind, lethargic Toney outhustled non stop start to finish mainly. A guy like ultimate swarmer Zack Padilla was cut short.

Padilla is a great call (Tiberi also, but more on him in a minute). If I'm not mistaken, Zack and Ray Olivera still hold the punch stat record for most punches thrown. Don't know how he slipped my mind!

I agree that Tiberi hustled to a win, as did Montell and Drake Thadzi. James was slick and a great counter puncher, but he was very vulnerable to lose to busy guys. It's why I would favor a prime BHop over a prime Toney.

Would you consider prime Duran and JCC volume punchers?

Guys change up very much depending on opponent and Duran was that. When I think Swarmer it's almost a knock and infers near one dimensional. Duran was a diverse boxer puncher, at times much more buzzsaw than swarmer and others a superb counter puncher, but always volume and adapted to find ways to win. A fighters fighter. Chavez not so diverse imo though he was a better boxer prior to 135, on his toes and sharp puncher. As he went and developed almost became more of a stalker with tremendous punch placement. Fast mover fast hands Randall, Whitaker, Taylor gave him problems. Save for Camacho and Lonnie Smith but that more have been more about the 101 butterflies in their head and stomachs . Exactly on Hopkins vs Toney and way I see it had it kicked off. At that point Hopkins was not the lay back sniper laying in and still think the feet of Toney would have been to flat and he'd be outhustled by Hopkins.

[VG_Addict]

Some of the examples provided (Byrd, Floyd Patterson...etc.), don't really fit the swarmer style in my mind. I views swarmers as high volume guys who overwhelm their opponents. With that in mind, I would classify Joe C, Prime Manny, Margarito, Paul Williams, Aaron Pryor, Wayne McCollough, and Henry Armstrong as examples of high volume fighters who overwhelmed their opponents.

If the high volume guy has a good chin, I feel that they have the advantage and usually prevail vs the puncher, as the puncher usually becomes exhausted and discouraged. That being said, the swarmer tends to suffer spectacular knockouts once their chin finally does fail them (Margo vs Mosely, Williams vs Sergio Martinez, Hatton vs Manny) because they often walk into big shots.

As for Kostya Tszyu, I classify him as a multidimensional fighter who preferred fighting from the middle distance and had great punching power. He got cocky vs Vince Phillips and old vs Hatton, but on his best nights he would've been a threat to anyone. I would've loved to see him fight Floyd at 140, and while I think Floyd would've pulled it out, I think it would've been very close, and very tough.

I mean, boxing usually isn't as simple as "X fighter definitely beats Y fighter because of their styles".

And most of the top fighters in the sport don't really fit into any one particular style.