Today in Trump

[walrus]

This tax cut bill is currently polling as the second most unpopular piece of legislation in history. And that's before voters really find out what's in it. And as soon as it passes, guess what? After adding trillions of dollars to the deficit Republicans will suddenly become deficit hawks and there'll be attempts to make massive cuts to Medicare and Social Security to make up for the losses caused by this tax cut. They're starting already: Tax reform is only one piece of the overall puzzle needed to revitalize the American economy, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) told a group of Washington, D.C., lobbyists and policy analysts this morning at a Politico Playbook Interview sponsored by the Financial Services Roundtable. The other part? Reduce the deficit and offset the cost of the reform, which the Congressional Budget Office estimates at $1.3 trillion. “I analyze this very differently than most,” Rubio told the crowd. “Many argue that you can’t cut taxes because it will drive up the deficit. But we have to do two things. We have to generate economic growth which generates revenue, while reducing spending. That will mean instituting structural changes to Social Security and Medicare for the future,” the senator said. https://www.fa-mag.com/news/rubio--o...its-35928.html Candidate Trump raged at the rigged economy and promised to unrig it and make everybody better off. Instead he's rigged it even further in the favour of corporations and the wealthy. Surely at some point the people who voted for him are going to realise they've been conned?

SSI spent one trillion dollars for the first time last year. It is unmanageable. I'm not really counting on SSI payments if I make it that long. SSI and welfare have been the political third rail for so long the only way to save it is a big percentage drop in payments and raising the age again. You can take numbers out of this bill to support either cause for or against. I'm not against cutting the corporate tax but it needs to translate to the people which it didn't do while these companies reaped in record profits the last almost 9 years, I'm not convinced it will. I beleive there is a sunset clause on the individual cut if it doesn't translate to increased ecomic blah blah but no sunset on the corporations. Should be the other way around. Kirk, every line on the tax code has a special interest group supporting it. Do you think tax lawyers don't fight simplification. If we can get money out of government it would function better. This bill may be the best we can get. If trump only adds a few trillion to the deficit I'll consider that a cut at this point. It's getting to the point every president spends more than all the other presidents in history. It's frickin crazy. I'll see if I can dig up a graph

SS is perfectly manageable and if you're convinced it won't be there when you retire you've been successfully conned by an ongoing multibillion dollar operation by the right's big donors to make you believe it's unsustainable. You're right about the corporate tax cut not doing much. It's just another giant upward redistribution of wealth, more class warfare from the GOP. And with you living in a state with state taxes you're probably going to get a tax increase to pay for the corporate cut. The bill is definitely not the best you could get, it's outright robbery. It's the GOP who create the deficits and the debt and the Democrats who have to clear the mess up. Nine out of the last ten recessions have come under a Republican in the White House. Res ipsa loquitur. Every prez spends more. Growing economy, revenues, population, inflation etc. The fact they spend more is irrelevant. It's how much they spend in relation to GDP that matters. There's a graph. You can look it up. This tax bill will not simplify things and leaving the government facing a deficit crisis will not make anything better.

Dude are you nutz. You know nothing of SSI and it's spenditures. You surprised me with that one usually you at least come across like you know your shit even though you don't. you usually flash some shit showing how little you know. I've payed all kinds of taxes here Kirk, I've talked to accounts, tax lawyers and the IRS agents. I can tell you straight out you don't know shit.

[brocktonblockbust]

Kirkland is sometimes right on with a lot of those charts and graphs that Lyle never liked. However on SSI he definitely is wrong

[walrus]

Kirkland is sometimes right on with a lot of those charts and graphs that Lyle never liked. However on SSI he definitely is wrong

No ive talked to my cpa and Kirk is full of shit. All graphs can be manipulated

[Dannl99]

Trump is entertaining as hell but he needs to get someone reliable in there that's going to steer him away from all this bullshit.

[walrus]

Trump is entertaining as hell but he needs to get someone reliable in there that's going to steer him away from all this bullshit.

No matter what he does the establishment must take him out. They can't have an outsider be successful as it threatens them. Shows you how evil our government has become

[Master]

Trump is entertaining as hell but he needs to get someone reliable in there that's going to steer him away from all this bullshit.

No matter what he does the establishment must take him out. They can't have an outsider be successful as it threatens them. Shows you how evil our government has become

The man is clearly mentally ill and maybe got dementia. He needs to be declared medically unfit to lead your country.

[brocktonblockbust]

Trump is entertaining as hell but he needs to get someone reliable in there that's going to steer him away from all this bullshit.

No matter what he does the establishment must take him out. They can't have an outsider be successful as it threatens them. Shows you how evil our government has become

The man is clearly mentally ill and maybe got dementia. He needs to be declared medically unfit to lead your country.

That is just an outrageous judgment to make. But if that was a judgement against the minority who would be called racism. But if it's a judgement that you are making without any medical evidence without any Doctor Who has examined anyone saying so and that is just as prejudiced that's what the word prejudice means prejudge it means to judge something before you know about it.

[Spicoli]

******** nothing burger from uptight over-sensitive politically correct (without realizing how deep ypuve been brainwashed over the past 20 years of political correctness agenda) cowards

Second time you've thrown that coward shat around. A coward is someone who bends a knee refusing to speak truth to power and laps up every word from a politician with zero scrutiny. Has zippo to do with being PC

[Spicoli]

@Spicoli I didn't want to start a thread for this but I am getting my car neutered on 5 Dec. I have been told they don't even notice they are missing their balls and it's not very painful. I figure u have some insight on this, I really like Baxter and don't want him to hurt but I need to do this as he is spraying a bit, what do you say

Just got on bud, honestly if he's strictly indoors with no other cats and you don't mind the occasional attitude and spray he'll most likely be just fine without. If he's older also. All in all though having the procedure is best to cover all bases, in case he gets out and gets a wild hair for a quickie. That or gets into a fight and risks fiv or other transferable illness. Neutering much less 'involved' surgery than say spaying. Quick snip thorough cleaning and even sutures not really necessary, or dissolvable depending on Doctor. They may have you use newspaper for a bit. Basically his little empty sack shrivels up. No harm to him, no huge behavioral changes and most pain might be the wallet but you can find low cost spay and neuter programs all over the place.

[brocktonblockbust]

spicoli is right a coward bends a knee like colin Cowardnick bwaaaaaAHAHAHAH

[Gandalf]

Trump is entertaining as hell but he needs to get someone reliable in there that's going to steer him away from all this bullshit.

No matter what he does the establishment must take him out. They can't have an outsider be successful as it threatens them. Shows you how evil our government has become

How the heck is Donald Trump an outsider? He was born into wealth, made money from money, and branded himself through reality TV. The man is hardly an outsider. It's bizarre how some of you still hang on to him. The only reason Trump is there at all is because there was no alternative. Actually Jill Stein was an alternative, but for some reason 'the outsider' got all of the news coverage along with Clinton. Now Jill Stein is an outsider. Trump, really not at all.

[walrus]

Trump is entertaining as hell but he needs to get someone reliable in there that's going to steer him away from all this bullshit.

No matter what he does the establishment must take him out. They can't have an outsider be successful as it threatens them. Shows you how evil our government has become

How the heck is Donald Trump an outsider? He was born into wealth, made money from money, and branded himself through reality TV. The man is hardly an outsider. It's bizarre how some of you still hang on to him. The only reason Trump is there at all is because there was no alternative. Actually Jill Stein was an alternative, but for some reason 'the outsider' got all of the news coverage along with Clinton. Now Jill Stein is an outsider. Trump, really not at all.

Not a life long political hack miles damn do I need to spell it out. Your just jealous you don't have him even though you kind of do

[Gandalf]

Believe me, there is nothing to be jealous of. The UK is what will happen to America when this tax plan passes. I don't think ordinary Americans deserve to be abused like that really, but it is your call. Twisted.

[walrus]

Believe me, there is nothing to be jealous of. The UK is what will happen to America when this tax plan passes. I don't think ordinary Americans deserve to be abused like that really, but it is your call. Twisted.

Dude don't but kirks bullshit about the taxes. This is the first time taxes have been overhauled since Reagan. We still don't have the completed bill, it now goes back to adding and subtracting things both houses approve. This is just another day in the life. All the sudden the dems are fiscal hawks after their boy Obama blew through 10 trillion in eight years. It's a fucking facade. All the sudden the roof is gonna fall in. I probably save a little money on this, Brock will, certain parts of it aren't cool but guess what, ITS FUCKING TAXES. Who is completely gonna be happy with any tax. I give trump credit cause he is trying to do something that is very difficult and risky in American politics. It's easier to send stimulus checks out like bush did than fight the behemoth of special interest tax groups. The government is also gonna tax Bitcoin profits. I'll tell you this miles, some people will be happy, some people will be sad with this new tax bill. Same with every fucking other bill. The sun will come up the day after it passes and we will still be paying some taxes. It is amazing how the deep state hates trump and the dems won't give him a chance. Our republican senate sucks but they did try to work with obama on bills. The dems are shameful especially when the act like they give a shit about the national debt

[brocktonblockbust]

It's amazing how Gandalf thinks that Trump is not an outsider. Gandalf thinks that anybody who has money it's just part of the whole same problem. He doesn't realize what Trump has been doing Against The Establishment since before day 1. The British are very weird like that they don't seem to understand stuff in the same way that we Americans do x